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Title: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 18, 2023, 08:44:43 PM
THE STATE RELIGION
February 16, 2023
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/abp-vigano-the-globalist-new-world-order-has-the-marks-of-the-antichurch-of-satan/

Some observations on the globalist cult
It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hand or forehead.
No one could buy or sell except for those who had the stamped image, that is, the name of the beast or the number that corresponds to his name.
Rev 13:16-17
 

In an interesting interview  (https://twitter.com/enricofaraboll1/status/1624308756040323078)on Fox News titled The Church of Environmentalism, journalist Tucker Carlson has brought to light a contradiction that may have escaped the notice of many people but which I consider extremely revealing.

Carlson recalls that the American Constitution prohibits any state religion, but for some time the governing Democratic Party has imposed on the American people the globalist cult, with its green agenda, its woke dogmas, its condemnations and cancel culture, its priests of the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ, and its prophets of the World Economic Forum. A religion in all respects, all-encompassing not only for the life of the individuals who practice it, but also in the life of the nation that publicly confesses it, adapts laws and sentences to it, and inspires education and every governmental action around it. 

In the name of the globalist religion, its adherents demand that all citizens behave in accordance with the morality of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, accepting uncritically – and with an attitude of devout submission to religious authority – the doctrine defined ex cathedra by the Davos Sanhedrin.

Citizens are not required merely to share the motivations that justify the health, economic or social policies imposed by governments, but to give their blind and irrational assent, which goes far beyond faith. For this reason, it is not allowed to contest the psycho-pandemic, criticize the management of the vaccination campaign, argue the groundlessness of climate alarms, oppose the evidence of NATO’s provocation of the Russian Federation with the Ukrainian crisis, ask for investigations into Hunter Biden’s laptop or the electoral fraud that prevented President Donald Trump from remaining in the White House, or refuse to stand by as children are corrupted with LGBTQ obscenities.

After three years of follies incomprehensible to a rational mind but amply justifiable in a perspective of blind fideism, the proposal (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/major-medical-group-wipes-study-advocating-doctors-give-less-anesthesia-reduce-carbon-footprint) formulated by an American clinic to ask patients to give up part of their anesthesia so as to reduce their trace of carbon dioxide and “save the planet” should therefore not be read as a grotesque pretext to reduce hospital expenses to the detriment of patients,  but as a religious act, a penance to be accepted willingly, an ethically meritorious act.

The penitential character is indispensable in this operation of forced conversion of the masses, because it counterbalances the absurdity of the action with the reward of a promised good: wearing the mask (which is useless) the citizen/religious adherent has made his own gesture of submission, has “offered” himself to the divinity (the State? the community?). A submission confirmed with the equally public act of vaccination, which represented a sort of “baptism” in the globalist faith, the initiation into worship. 

The high priests of this religion have even reached the point of theorizing human sacrifice by means of abortion and euthanasia: a sacrifice required by the common good, so as not to overpopulate the planet, burden public health, or be a burden on social security.

Even the mutilations to which those who profess gender doctrine are subjected and the deprivation of reproductive faculties induced by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity are nothing more than forms of sacrifice and immolation of oneself: of one’s body, one’s health, including life itself (receiving, for example, an experimental gene therapy demonstrably dangerous and often deadly).

Adherence to globalism is not optional: it is the state religion, and the state “tolerates” non-practitioners to the extent that their presence does not prevent society from exercising this cult. Indeed, in its presumption of being legitimized by “ethical” principles to impose on citizens what represents an incontestable superior “good,” the State also obliges dissenters to perform the basic acts of “globalist morality,” punishing them if they do not conform to its precepts. 

Eating insects and not meat, injecting drugs instead of practicing a healthy life; using electricity instead of gasoline; renouncing private property and freedom of movement; enduring controls and limitations of fundamental rights; accepting the worst moral and sɛҳuąƖ deviations in the name of freedom; renouncing the family to live isolated, without inheriting anything from the past and without transmitting anything to posterity; erasing one’s identity in the name of political correctness; denying the Christian faith to embrace woke superstition; conditioning one’s work and one’s subsistence to respect absurd rules – all these are elements destined to become part of the daily life of the individual, a life based on an ideological model that, on closer inspection, no one wants and no one has asked for, and that justifies its existence only with the bogeyman of an unproven and unprovable ecological apocalypse.

This violates not only the much-vaunted freedom of religion on which this society is founded, but wants to lead us step-by-step, inexorably, to the point of making this cult exclusive, the only one allowed. 

The “church of environmentalism” defines itself as inclusive but does not tolerate dissent, and it does not accept dialectically engaging with those who question its dictates. Those who do not accept the anti-Gospel of Davos are ipso facto heretics and must therefore be punished, excommunicated, separated from the social body, and considered public enemies; they must be re-educated by force, both through an incessant hammering of the media and also through the imposition of a social stigma and truly extortive forms of consent, starting with the “informed” consent of submitting against their will to the vaccination obligation and continuing in the madness of the so-called “15-minute city,” which is anticipated moreover in detail in the programmatic points of the 2030 Agenda (which are ultimately dogmatic canons to the contrary).

The problem with this disturbing phenomenon of mass superstition is that this state religion has not been imposed de facto only in the United States of America, but it has also spread to all the nations of the Western world, whose leaders were converted to the globalist “Word” by the great apostle of the Great Reset, Klaus Schwab, its self-proclaimed “pope” who is therefore invested with an infallible and incontestable authority.

And as in the Annuario Pontificio we can read the list of cardinals, bishops and prelates of the Roman Curia and dioceses spread throughout the world, so on the website of the World Economic Forum we find the list of “prelates” of globalism, from Justin Trudeau to Emmanuel Macron, discovering that not only the presidents and prime ministers of many states belong to this “church,” but also numerous officials, heads of international bodies and major multinational corporations, and members of the media.

To these must also be added the “preachers” and “missionaries” who work for the spread of the globalist faith: actors, singers, influencers, sportsmen, intellectuals, doctors, teachers. A very powerful, highly-organized network, widespread not only at the top of institutions, but also in universities and courts, in companies and hospitals, in peripheral bodies and local municipalities, in cultural and sports associations, so that it is impossible to escape indoctrination even in a provincial primary school or in a small rural community.

It is disconcerting – you must admit – that in the number of converts to the universal religion we can also count exponents of the world religions, and among them even Jorge Mario Bergoglio – whom Catholics also consider head of the Church of Rome – with all the cowardliness of ecclesiastics faithful to him.

The apostasy of the Catholic hierarchy has reached the point of worshiping the idol of the pachamama, the “mother Earth,” demonic personification of ecuмenical, inclusive, and sustainable “Amazonian” globalism. But was it not John Podesta himself who advocated the advent of a “springtime of the Church” that would replace its doctrine with a vague environmentalist sentimentality, finding prompt execution of his hopes in the coordinated action that led to the resignation of Benedict XVI and the election of Bergoglio?

What we are witnessing is nothing more than the reverse application of the process that led to the spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire and then throughout the world, a sort of revenge of barbarism and paganism on the Faith of Christ.

What Julian the Apostate tried to do in the fourth century, that is, to restore the cult of pagan gods, today is pursued zealously by new apostates, all united by a “sacred fury” that makes them as dangerous as they are convinced of being able to succeed in their intentions because of the endless means at their disposal. 

In reality, this religion is nothing more than a modern incarnation of the cult of Lucifer: the recent Satanic performance at the Grammy Awards sponsored by Pfizer is only the latest confirmation of an adherence to an infernal world that until now had been silenced because it was still considered unmentionable.

It is no mystery that the ideologues of globalist thought are all indistinctly anti-Christian and anticlerical, significantly hostile to Christian morality, and ostentatiously opposed to the civilization and culture that the Gospel has shaped in two thousand years of history. Not only that: the inextinguishable hatred towards life and towards all that is the work of the Creator – from man to nature – reveals the attempt (almost successful, albeit delirious) to tamper with the order of Creation, to modify plants and animals, to change the very human DNA through bioengineering interventions, to deprive man of his individuality and his free will, making him controllable and even maneuverable through transhumanism.

At the bottom of all this, there is the hatred of God and envy for the supernatural fate that He has reserved for men by redeeming them from sin with the Sacrifice of the Cross of His Son. 

This Satanic hatred is expressed in the determination to make it impossible for Christians to practice their religion, to see its principles respected, to be able to make their contribution in society and, ultimately, in the will to induce them to do evil, or at least to ensure that they cannot do good, much less spread it; and if they do, to distort their original motivations (love of God and neighbor) by perverting them with pitiful philanthropic or environmentalist purposes.

All the precepts of the globalist religion are a counterfeit version of the Ten Commandments, their grotesque inversion, an obscene reversal. In practice, they use the same means that the Church has used for evangelization, but with the aim of damning souls and subjecting them not to the Law of God, but to the tyranny of the devil, under the inquisitorial control of the antichurch of Satan.

In this perspective, the American secret services are also reporting on groups of traditional Catholic faithful, confirming that the enmity between the seed of the Woman and that of the serpent (Gen 3:15) is a theological reality in which the enemies of God believe above all, and that one of the signs of the end times is precisely the abolition of the Holy Sacrifice and the presence of the abomination of desolation in the temple (Dn 9: 27).

The attempts to suppress or limit the traditional Mass unite deep church and deep state, revealing the essentially Luciferian matrix of both: because both know very well what are the infinite graces that pour out on the Church and on the world through that Mass, and they want to prevent those graces from being given so that they do not hinder their plans. They show it to us themselves: our battle is not only against creatures of flesh and blood (Eph 6:12).

Tucker Carlson’s observation highlights the deception to which we are subjected daily by our rulers: the theoretical imposition of the secularism of the State has served to eliminate the presence of the true God from the institutions, while the practical imposition of the globalist religion serves to introduce Satan into the institutions, with the aim of establishing that dystopian nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr in which the Antichrist will claim to be worshiped as a god, in his mad delirium to replace Our Lord. 

The warnings of the Book of Revelation take on ever greater concreteness, the more the plan proceeds to subject all men to a control that prevents any possibility of disobedience and resistance: only now do we understand what it means not to be able to buy or sell without the green pass, which is nothing if not the technological version of the mark with the number of the Beast (Rev 13:17).

But if not everyone is yet ready to recognize the error of having abandoned Christ in the name of a corrupt and deceptive freedom that has hidden unspeakable intentions, I believe that today many are ready – psychologically, even before rationally – to take note of the coup d’état with which a lobby of dangerous fanatics is managing to take power in the United States and in the world, determined to make any move, even the most reckless, in order to maintain it. 

Through a twist of Providence, the secularism of the State – which in itself offends God because it denies Him the public worship to which He is sovereign – could be the argument with which to put an end to the subversive project of the Great Reset. If Americans – and with them the peoples of the whole world – can rebel against this forced conversion, demanding that citizens’ representatives in positions of government be accountable to the holders of national sovereignty and not to the leaders of the globalist Sanhedrin, it will perhaps be possible to put a stop to this race towards the abyss.

But to do so requires the awareness that this will be only a first phase in the process of liberation from this infernal lobby, which must be followed by the re-appropriation of those moral principles proper to Christianity that constitute the foundations of Western civilization and the most effective defense against the barbarism of neopaganism. 

For too long citizens and faithful have passively suffered the decisions of their political and religious leaders in the face of the evidence of their betrayal. Respect for authority is based on the recognition of a “theological” fact, that is, of the Lordship of Jesus Christ over individuals, nations, and the Church. If those in authority in the State and Church act against the citizens and the faithful, their power is usurped and their authority null and void.

Let us not forget that rulers are not the owners of the State and the masters of the citizens, just as the pope and the bishops are not the owners of the Church and the masters of the faithful.

If they do not want to be like fathers to us; if they do not want our good and indeed do everything to corrupt us in body and spirit, it is time to drive them out of their positions and call them to account for their betrayal, their crimes, and their scandalous lies. 

+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop


Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 18, 2023, 11:19:46 PM

Wow... Viggy knocked it out of the park!


I especially appreciated his discernment in pinpointing the world's problem. "Globalist religion".


Since he can't say the words Zionism or тαℓмυdic judaism, suggest he start inserting pictures into his epistles,
for his flock's better understanding.


(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fodinia.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2FEARTH.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ab1be881bd6a1fe9bec00a13cfd1567efdcd743e355880a058379f2587f3cd70&ipo=images)


Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Donachie on February 19, 2023, 12:01:59 AM
Does he still say the Novus Ordo Missae? General intercessions and "Lord hear our prayer"?
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on February 19, 2023, 07:38:16 AM
Does he still say the Novus Ordo Missae? General intercessions and "Lord hear our prayer"?
No, he now offers the TLM exclusively. I would believe he says the old Divine Office now as well.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 19, 2023, 09:56:29 AM
Since he can't say the words Zionism or тαℓмυdic judaism, suggest he start inserting pictures into his epistles,
for his flock's better understanding.

Why don't you issue a public rebuke to Our Lady for using the circuмlocution "error of Russia" to refer to Judaeo-Masonic errors.

You're, very simply put, a slanderous buffoon, who know nothing about the virtue of prudence.  You have to calculate the good and the bad that would come from everything you say or do and don't simply shoot from the hip.

+Vigano is serving a couple purposes right now, both of which would be undermined if he suddenly started going off on jags against the Jews.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Donachie on February 19, 2023, 02:47:28 PM
No, he now offers the TLM exclusively. I would believe he says the old Divine Office now as well.
That fits the picture better.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 19, 2023, 06:58:20 PM
+Vigano is serving a couple purposes right now, both of which would be undermined if he suddenly started going off on jags against the Jєωs.

If he opposes the Jews why does he call them

 "Brothers and Sisters"

and


the "Children of Light"?


https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Confiteor Deo on February 20, 2023, 05:53:00 AM
Wow... Viggy knocked it out of the park!


I especially appreciated his discernment in pinpointing the world's problem. "Globalist religion".


Since he can't say the words Zionism or тαℓмυdic judaism, suggest he start inserting pictures into his epistles,
for his flock's better understanding.


(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fodinia.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2FEARTH.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ab1be881bd6a1fe9bec00a13cfd1567efdcd743e355880a058379f2587f3cd70&ipo=images)
There are precisely no Roman encyclicals or publications about the Jews since the middle ages. I don't see why we should hold Mgr Vigano to a higher standard than that applied to Saint Pius X

The only explanation that makes sense to me on why this is the case, was made by Michael Hoffman in his book The Occult Renaissance - Church of Rome. 



 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: DecemRationis on February 20, 2023, 06:40:51 AM
There are precisely no Roman encyclicals or publications about the Jєωs since the middle ages. I don't see why we should hold Mgr Vigano to a higher standard than that applied to Saint Pius X

The only explanation that makes sense to me on why this is the case, was made by Michael Hoffman in his book The Occult Renaissance - Church of Rome.



 

Uh oh.

I agree . . . kindly make room in your foxhole, brother. 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 20, 2023, 06:58:02 AM
I think that +Vigano's letter in response to Bishop Schneider on June 9, 2020 is by far his best, where he lays the groundwork for needing to reject Vatican II and the NOM completely, that they cann't simply be reformed but are radically defective.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 20, 2023, 07:01:19 AM
If he opposes the Jєωs why does he call them

 "Brothers and Sisters"

and


the "Children of Light"?


https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

This has been explained to you about a half dozen times already.  It's a reference to St. Augustine, who in turn quote St. Paul to the Thessalonians for the expression "children of light".  St. Augustine's City of God specifically lays out the notion that there are two forces in the world, one tending toward God, the other away from God (and toward the devil).  He includes in those tending toward God those outside the Church who are of good will and who are trending toward God.  This does not mean that they're in a state of grace or supernaturally pleasing to God, but they can be naturally pleasing to God.  To claim othewise, that all outside the Church is sin and evil is in fact a core error of the Jansenists.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 20, 2023, 07:49:50 AM
As I was saying earlier, Prudence is the Queen of all the Virtues.  Apart from the three theological virtues, the other virtues are not ends in themselves, as are the various actions tied to the virues.

Among the spiritual works of mercy, we find rebuking he sinner.  But rebuking a sinner is not an end in itself.  What's intended and desired and sought is the conversion of the sinner.  Consequently, if in our prudential judgment we determine that the rebuke will do no good, then we are not obliged to rebuke.  What's more, if we judge in prudence that the rebuke would cause more harm than good, that the sinner might double down and become even more recalcitrant, then we would be obliged NOT to rebuke the sinner.  So we have a situation where the spiritual work of mercy of rebuking the sinner might require that we refrain from rebuking, since in that case rebuking would actually undermine the goal of rebuking.

Similarly, when Our Lady spoke obliquely about the "errors of Russia" (which are none other than the errors of the Jews and Masons), she realized with God that for her to say something along the lines of, "And the Jews will spread their errors throughout the world," that it would have resulted in some negative consequences, whether a backlash or additional persecution against the Church, or possibly driving people away from her message at Fatima or driving people away from the Church.

If I were a priest, I would not stand up there every week and condemn Jews from the pulpit, as if I had nothing better to speak of.  I would likely refer to them in various hints (even as +Vigano has done on a few occasions).  With those hints, those who have the ears to hear will hear, but those who don't would not be potentially driven away from Traditional Catholicism.  When they become more mature in the faith, at that point it might make sense to raise the issue with them, but it might be on a case by case basis.  Similarly, I would not treat in excessive detail issues that pertain, say, to the 6th / 9th commandments as they relate to married couples, as it would not be fitting for the innocents in the congregation, especially children, but take it up individually as needed, in the confessional.

In any case, what good would it do for +Vigano to start lashing out against Jews?  People who are obsessed with the subject could high-five each other and pat each other in the back and do fist pumps, but in that case +Vigano would be preaching to the choir and who cares?  What additional benefit would it provide to those already in the know?  None.  But in terms of those who have not been initiated into the Jєωιѕн problem, they might easily be driven away from the theological issues that +Vigano has been dealing with, rejecting him as some kooky Antisemitic conspiracy nut.  +Vigano would lose credibility among the uninitiated, and he would thereby undermine any good he might be doing in terms of waking them up to the theological problems, the problems with Vatican II and the NOM.  Which is more important, that someone be aware of the problems with the Conciliar Church, the NOM, with Modernism ... or that someone be aware that the h0Ɩ0cαųst was a hoax?  Which is more directly pertinent to their salvation?  So by emphasizing a less central issue (that of the Jews), he would be undermining their waking up about the more critical issues regarding the Conciliar Church.  Once people have become Traditional Catholics, there will be no shortage of material regarding the Jєωιѕн question to which they'll eventually and gradually be exposed.  When we die, God's first question at our judgment will not be whether we believed that the h0Ɩ0cαųst was real, but He will ask us about our love for and dedication to the Catholic Mass and for Traditional Catholic doctrine.

Some of you need to snap out of this nonsense and realize that there's a time and a place for everything.  I'm conviced that if +Vigano were to unload on the Jews in a no-holds-barred manner, that he would lose the vast majority of his target audience, whom he is gradually influencing and leading toward Tradtion.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on February 20, 2023, 08:25:15 AM
This has been explained to you about a half dozen times already.  It's a reference to St. Augustine, who in turn quote St. Paul to the Thessalonians for the expression "children of light".  St. Augustine's City of God specifically lays out the notion that there are two forces in the world, one tending toward God, the other away from God (and toward the devil).  He includes in those tending toward God those outside the Church who are of good will and who are trending toward God.  This does not mean that they're in a state of grace or supernaturally pleasing to God, but they can be naturally pleasing to God.  To claim othewise, that all outside the Church is sin and evil is in fact a core error of the Jansenists. 

Perhaps this individual has not read St. Augustine and doesn't see the analogy.  I mentioned the same concerns to a family priest who explained similarly to how you did so I chalk it up to my own personal ignorance rather than shady dealings on the part of the archbishop.  But I'm still cautious because I learned my lesson being one of the "early adopters" of Pfeifferism.  I won't make that mistake again.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 20, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
Perhaps this individual has not read St. Augustine and doesn't see the analogy.  I mentioned the same concerns to a family priest who explained similarly to how you did so I chalk it up to my own personal ignorance rather than shady dealings on the part of the archbishop.  But I'm still cautious because I learned my lesson being one of the "early adopters" of Pfeifferism.  I won't make that mistake again.

Lads is just running political cover for +W’s wholesale endorsement of Vigano being the “Heir to the truth” of +ABL.

St. John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church cites that those Catholics who are afraid to admonish the jews, are “Fearful children”, while those who do rail against the jews, are “Heaven’s Hounds”.

Here we are, in the early stages of a global genocide, run by the children of devil, and no Catholic media leader is willing to speak the truth.

Vigano, supposedly in hiding, is fearful to speak of the jews, Zionism or the diabolical тαℓмυd.
 
 He’s obviously an Opus Dei operative and like Snowden, merely another Rothschilds diversion, this time, for naive Catholics.

Lads & Johnson will continue to give Vigano their 100% backing and slam anyone who doubts their opinions.
 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Confiteor Deo on February 20, 2023, 11:03:31 AM
Vigano, supposedly in hiding, is fearful to speak of the Jєωs, Zionism or the diabolical тαℓмυd.
 

 
When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jews, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years. 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Yeti on February 20, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Cera on February 20, 2023, 05:56:55 PM
People need the gospel, not politics.
We need both the Good News and +Vigano's reality check.
You call it politics, but it's actually preparing us for persecution.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 20, 2023, 07:43:39 PM
When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jєωs, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years.

We're now equating a Novus ordo media Archbishop with St. Pope Pius X ?
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 20, 2023, 07:47:41 PM
No, he now offers the TLM exclusively. I would believe he says the old Divine Office now as well.
You've seen him celebrating the Tridentine Mass?

Who writes his media-encyclicals, his English speaking altar server?

He used two well established Opus Die publishers in the past.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Miser Peccator on February 20, 2023, 08:46:42 PM
This has been explained to you about a half dozen times already.  It's a reference to St. Augustine, who in turn quote St. Paul to the Thessalonians for the expression "children of light".  St. Augustine's City of God specifically lays out the notion that there are two forces in the world, one tending toward God, the other away from God (and toward the devil).  He includes in those tending toward God those outside the Church who are of good will and who are trending toward God.  This does not mean that they're in a state of grace or supernaturally pleasing to God, but they can be naturally pleasing to God.  To claim othewise, that all outside the Church is sin and evil is in fact a core error of the Jansenists.

Well even if he actually was referring to St Augustine's City of God (which he doesn't reference when discussing the "children of Light")  it would be an inversion.

St Augustine made it clear that the fall of Rome was insignificant to God's overall plan.  Augustine explained that the Saints lost nothing by losing their earthly possessions.  The City of God is not the same as the City of Man which seeks earthly "safety" and wellbeing.

He wrote that the attack of Rome in the year 410, therefore, should not upset Christians greatly, for the Christian faith belonged to the kingdom of the spirit and could not be identified with any particular kingdom on earth. He state that the collapse of Rome did not diminish the Christian religion, for the true Christian was a citizen of a "heavenly city" that could not possibly be pillaged by evil men, but would endure forever. Compared to heavenly city of God, the decline of Rome was unimportant. The welfare of the Christian religion was not to be identified with the material progress of Rome, or even with its very existence.

Augustine provided comfort to Christians worried by the fall of Rome. He said that both the decay and the prosperity of Rome meant nothing in comparison with the happiness that awaited them in the "city of heaven."


They were told that the Christian religion was measured neither by the successes nor by the failures of Rome.
http://www.augnet.org/en/works-of-augustine/writings-of-augustine/city-of-god/2128-the-sack-of-rome/

Does this sound like the same message Vigano gives??

No.


Yet Vigano never even references Augustine or the City of God in his speech to the

"ʝʊdɛօ-Christians" collectively praying to God" (according to the advertisements)

at the Jericho March or in his letter to Trump.

Are you a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian, Lad?  Is Vigano a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian?

Why would any true Catholic attend a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian prayer rally?

The ads for the Jericho March state:

JERICHO MARCH

“LET THE CHURCH ROAR!”

(The CHURCH????  Which Church???)

Jericho March™ is comprised of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians [sic] collectively praying to God
https://novusordowatch.org/2020/12/vigano-and-marshall-in-ecuмenical-prayer-rally/

What does that mean, anyway?

ʝʊdɛօ-Christians?

Collectively praying??


Sounds like mortal sin to me

but I just try to follow the Catechism.  ::shrug::


So Jєωs, Protestants, Catholics and whatnot are all members of the "roaring Church" now?

Well, that whole First Commandment thing is neat and all

but we've got bigger fish to fry right now!

I mean we can throw Jesus under the bus for a bit

because we've just got to get Trump elected.

Trump is OUR ONLY HOPE!


Vigano inverted the Gospel in his letter to Trump stating:

"In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority."
https://novusordowatch.org/2020/06/heresy-naturalism-in-vigano-letter-to-president-trump/

The majority of humanity are "children of light"???

Really?

Is that how Jesus saw it?

What about the narrow gate and the fewness of the saved?

Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2023, 07:42:51 AM
An interesting thought:

We routinely say that wearing a mask is not a sin.  But if doing so is actually a religious vestment and an active (however reluctant) participation in the State Satanic NWO religion, as +Vigano suggests, then I’m wondering if and whether a moral issue arises for doing so.

I did not get the impression +Vigano was merely making an analogy, but perhaps I’m mistaken?
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2023, 08:49:56 AM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

Sounds like the old criticisms of +Williamson:

”Why’s he talking about 911 or the  Jews?”
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Meg on February 21, 2023, 09:25:00 AM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

Well said. 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Bonaventure on February 21, 2023, 09:48:47 AM
In other, totally unrelated news...

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Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2023, 10:16:35 AM
In other, totally unrelated news...

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I see Louie has his head up his arse again:


St. Robert Bellarmine:
"It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."  De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

Suarez:
Now, in the state of necessity, divine natural and positive law imposes a duty of charity under pain of mortal sin upon whoever is able to provide help, and in the state of spiritual necessity it imposes this duty above all on bishops and upon priests (as well as on the pope). The pope, as like any other superior, does not have the power to oppose this duty.  ("deest potestas in legislatore ad obligandum" De Legibus, L. VI, cap. VII, n.ll).

St. Thomas Aquinas:
"the state of necessity carries its own dispensation with it because necessity is not subject to law" (SI; I-II, Q.96, A.6)

Several authorities:
This is not, in fact, the case of authority not being bound to oblige because" summum ius summa iniuria," or one which issues an inopportune command lacking in prudence, but which nevertheless people could be bound to obey all the same in view of the common good. This is, on the other hand, the case of authority that cannot oblige, because its command is opposed to a precept of divine and natural law "more grave and obliging."8 (http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm#8B) In such a case to obey the law or the legislator would be "evil and a sin" (Suarez, De Legibus, L. VI, c. VII, n.8). St. Thomas calls obedience in such a case "evil" (SI; 11-11, Q120, A.1). Cajetan refers to it as a "vice" (Cajetan in 1.2, q.96, a.6). Hence, refusal to obey becomes a duty (i.e" inoboedientia debita).9 (http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm#9B)
http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 

Naz:
"...even for the pope the principle holds that, when the application of a law "would be contrary to the common good or to natural law [and in our case even divine-positive law-Ed.]...it is not in the power of the legislator to oblige,"13 (http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm#13B)
Naz, Dictionnaire Droit Canonique under “epikie.”

At least a dozen additional classical authorities are cited in this 2-part study defending the RR position (Among them Gerson, Pallazini, Tito Centi, Noldin, Leo XII, St. Alphonsus, and many others):

Part 1: http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_July/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 
Part 2: http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/1999_September/The_1988_Consecrations.htm 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 21, 2023, 10:30:20 AM
When was the last time a pope publicly  mentioned the Jєωs, or the тαℓмυd ? Other than Saint Pius X telling Herzl that he would never recognize the state of Israel, I can't think of anything from the last five hundred years.

Bl. Pope Pius IX put the jews back into their Ghetto.

But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”.  

He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
 
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: SeanJohnson on February 21, 2023, 10:37:08 AM
Bl. Pope Pius IX put the Jєωs back into their Ghetto.

But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”. 

He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
 

You are the con-man here, not Vigano.

You were once asked to name one single priest on planet earth that you trust, and who's position you 100% endorse.

You could not come up with one.

For all we know, you are a non-Catholic Jєω infiltrator assigned to discredit Vigano.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Meg on February 21, 2023, 10:56:03 AM
Bl. Pope Pius IX put the Jєωs back into their Ghetto.

But Vigano is Opus Dei and no holy pope.

His schtick is that of a “Vatican truther”. 

He just can’t articulate the real truth because his handlers won’t let him.
 

Louie Verrecchio posted a good article that articulates the connection of +Vigano with Opus Dei. The article is five years old, but none of it has been refuted as far as I know. 

Opus Dei’s Role in the Viganò Affair - AKA Catholic (https://akacatholic.com/opus-deis-role-in-the-vigano-affair/)
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 21, 2023, 11:35:22 AM
Wow... Viggy knocked it out of the park!


I especially appreciated his discernment in pinpointing the world's problem. "Globalist religion".


Since he can't say the words Zionism or тαℓмυdic judaism, suggest he start inserting pictures into his epistles,
for his flock's better understanding.


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Several genius turns of a phrase, especially this:


“the doctrine defined ex cathedra by the Davos Sanhedrin."


"Sanhedrin" will accurately and certainly pique the hyper-sensitivity of the ADL Fuehrer.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 21, 2023, 12:12:20 PM
In other, totally unrelated news...

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Diversion yes, but ultimately, the Novus ordo archbishop’s main mission is to keep
the Recognize & Resist dialogue going.

Francis represents the end of the papal “False Throne” as described in Pope Leo XIII’s original St. Michael’s prayer.  

He has fulfilled his mission to wreck the visible Church and demean the Papacy. He’s in a death spiral and even his Novus ordo following knows it.

Vigano is there to narrate, to keep the faithful engaged in Recognize & Resist dialogue.

He would never admit that тαℓмυdic judaism is the root of the globalist cabal or that the Jews have been running the “False Throne”since the 1940’s.

He couldn’t do it because he’s part of Opus Dei, which is them.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Incredulous on February 21, 2023, 12:14:56 PM
You are the con-man here, not Vigano.

You were once asked to name one single priest on planet earth that you trust, and who's position you 100% endorse.

You could not come up with one.

For all we know, you are a non-Catholic Jєω infiltrator assigned to discredit Vigano.

Yeah, okay.
I’m a Jєω and you’re an ex-seminarian queer.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 21, 2023, 12:53:09 PM
Perhaps this individual has not read St. Augustine and doesn't see the analogy.  I mentioned the same concerns to a family priest who explained similarly to how you did so I chalk it up to my own personal ignorance rather than shady dealings on the part of the archbishop.  But I'm still cautious because I learned my lesson being one of the "early adopters" of Pfeifferism.  I won't make that mistake again.

I get that not everyone is acquainted with all of what St. Augustine wrote.  Problem is that I've explained it to this poster multiple time already, including once with relevant citations.  But even if someone doesn't know, there's a such a thing as making an allowance, prior to condemning someone, for not having all the facts.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 21, 2023, 12:54:59 PM
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Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 21, 2023, 12:59:22 PM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

Re-read my post about prudence.  Depends on what you're trying to accomplish and how effective your words might be.  I'm not required to walk around all day telling everyone I meet that they're "on the road to hell and will be tormented forever."  They'd honestly just think I was insane if I tried it, and some of this nonsense verges upon insanity.  How many people do you tell that to each day?  Probably 0 on average.

Maybe you could tell some of your SV priest buddies to stop telling non-Catholics and infidels that they can be saved.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Plenus Venter on February 22, 2023, 12:44:47 AM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.
Interesting question, Yeti.
No doubt that is what all men need to understand.
But knocking on someone's front door and telling them they are on the road to Hell doesn't always achieve the desired goal.
All the souls living today are all so different, in their temperaments, their upbringing, their education, their understanding of why they exist...
Souls come to God in different ways. There are some, no doubt, who are converted through understanding the Jєωιѕн question, others will have the scales fall from their eyes seeing the diabolical influences working in the Church and politics today.
Truth matters in all facets of life, and proclaiming it as Archbishop Vigano does can only help lead souls to Him Who is Truth itself.
I think if you study his voluminous writings you will find there is no shortage of warnings along the lines you suggest.

Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 22, 2023, 07:57:29 AM
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“You are on the Road to Hell.” – anonymous
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on February 22, 2023, 08:31:09 AM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.

How do you tell people they are headed to a place either A) they don't believe in or B) since they aren't "Hitler" and didn't kill anyone they would never go to.  This is why Fr. Chazal wrote his book "Eternal Hell"...I'm reading it right now btw.  Terrifying but necessary in these times of apostasy.  

Yes the Gospel needs to be preached, not War Room or deliverance prayer theology.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Ladislaus on February 22, 2023, 09:32:09 AM
How do you tell people they are headed to a place either A) they don't believe in or B) since they aren't "Hitler" and didn't kill anyone they would never go to.

Right, that's where Prudence comes into play.  I could go around all day telling everyone I meet on the street who isn't a Catholic that they're going to hell, but they would probably just dismiss me as some insane kook, like the guys who stand on the street corner ...

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Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Meg on February 22, 2023, 09:45:16 AM
How do you tell people they are headed to a place either A) they don't believe in or B) since they aren't "Hitler" and didn't kill anyone they would never go to.  This is why Fr. Chazal wrote his book "Eternal Hell"...I'm reading it right now btw.  Terrifying but necessary in these times of apostasy. 

Yes the Gospel needs to be preached, not War Room or deliverance prayer theology.

+Vigano's writings are indeed a bit too heavy on War Room theology. Though he does at least try to relate the political situations to theology, but not in a way that, for instance, +ABL would do. +ABL didn't focus nearly so much on politics, but then +ABL was responsible for seminarians and the faithful who attended SSPX chapels. These times are really crazy politically. But we still have our soul to save, and that's ultimately what's most important. 

At least +Vigano didn't sign his commentary with a masonic phrase this time. 

Fr. Chazal's book is excellent. And it is terrifying to see why Hell is a reality. Not enough bishops or priests use their teaching authority to preach on the existence of Hell, but you're right. Most people don't believe it exists. And preaching on the subject of either the problem with Jєωιѕн elites, or the real existence of Hell is not going to go down well for someone who is in the spotlight so much these days. They are not popular subjects.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 22, 2023, 09:56:22 AM
+Vigano's writings are indeed a bit too heavy on War Room theology. … blah, blah, blah…

How precisely does one get to Heaven by hiding in a closet and failing to oppose the evils that confront us?


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Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 24, 2023, 10:07:44 AM
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Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Yeti on February 24, 2023, 02:32:29 PM
Re-read my post about prudence.  Depends on what you're trying to accomplish and how effective your words might be.  I'm not required to walk around all day telling everyone I meet that they're "on the road to hell and will be tormented forever."  They'd honestly just think I was insane if I tried it, and some of this nonsense verges upon insanity.  How many people do you tell that to each day?  Probably 0 on average.

Maybe you could tell some of your SV priest buddies to stop telling non-Catholics and infidels that they can be saved.
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Well, you're not a Catholic bishop and neither am I, so that argument isn't really relevant. But if you suppose that a Catholic bishop is obliged to tell people what they need to hear to save their souls, namely to preach the gospel of Christ (and Christ warns people about hell constantly in the gospels, by the way), then yes, that is his duty. Yes, people will dismiss him as crazy, there will always be people who reject the preaching of the gospel as crazy. That doesn't mean the Church must stop preaching it. And a bishop's main job is to preach the gospel.

Furthermore, your idea that people would dismiss him as crazy doesn't seem very plausible to me. Given his position as a putative member of the Catholic hierarchy (whether he is or not is a question I don't want to get into now), people who consider themselves to be Catholic would be likely to listen to him as a leader of their religion. These are the people who need to be reached most of all, and who are the most likely to be open to receiving the truth.

In any case, I don't see how it saves anyone's soul to talk about Davos or the Great Reset or the stolen election of 2020 or any of the other political events that he spends his time talking about. You don't see (true) popes writing encyclicals about things like that; they write instead about matters of doctrine and morals.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Yeti on February 24, 2023, 02:34:16 PM
Right, that's where Prudence comes into play.  I could go around all day telling everyone I meet on the street who isn't a Catholic that they're going to hell, but they would probably just dismiss me as some insane kook, like the guys who stand on the street corner ...

(https://lmurray68.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/repent_street_preacher.jpg?w=226)
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The reason this guy looks crazy is not because of what he is saying! What he is saying is absolutely true. The reason is because of who he is. He is a layman with no authorization from the Church to preach.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Mark 79 on February 24, 2023, 11:06:16 PM
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…In any case, I don't see how it saves anyone's soul to talk about Davos or the Great Reset or the stolen election of 2020 or any of the other political events that he spends his time talking about. You don't see (true) popes writing encyclicals about things like that; they write instead about matters of doctrine and morals.


Really?

So you think the Spiritual Works of Mercy (e.g., counseling the doubtful, instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, and comforting the sorrowful) are useless for the salvation of anyone's soul?

Such works do nothing for the salvation of the one(s) doing the works or the one(s) receiving the works?

Hmmmmm…
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: 2Vermont on February 25, 2023, 08:28:30 AM

If they do not want to be like fathers to us; if they do not want our good and indeed do everything to corrupt us in body and spirit, it is time to drive them out of their positions and call them to account for their betrayal, their crimes, and their scandalous lies. + Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

Wouldn't a first step be for Vigano to declare Bergoglio a heretic and false pope?
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: 2Vermont on February 25, 2023, 08:39:01 AM
Shouldn't he be telling people things more along the lines of, "You people of the world are all on the road to tell and you will be tormented forever after your death if you don't repent of your sins and embrace the Catholic religion as it was taught and practiced before the 1960s"? And then tell people what those teachings are in particular?

Instead of commenting on the words of a TV news anchor, American politicians, people in Davos, environmentalism, and similar things. People need the gospel, not politics.
I think he's probably heavy on it because of his position for so many years.  Having said that, I do think there is a place for some of what he is saying because of the incoming false one world religion.  And the false sect in Rome helping to make it happen.
Title: Re: +Vigano's Greatest Epistle
Post by: Confiteor Deo on February 25, 2023, 03:07:39 PM
I think he's probably heavy on it because of his position for so many years.  Having said that, I do think there is a place for some of what he is saying because of the incoming false one world religion.  And the false sect in Rome helping to make it happen.
Nothing wrong with Catholics in all stations of life getting deeply involved in politics. Pope Urbain II called for the crusades and Saint Joan of Arc also had her opinions on how the future of France would be better without England.