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+Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
« on: June 02, 2023, 12:51:16 PM »
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  • Act of Consecration and Reparation
    to Mary Most Holy, Queen and Mother of the Church


    O August Queen, Most Holy Mother of God and Mother of the Church, Our Lady, our Hope, Help of Christians, to whose name the hosts of Angels bow down and the infernal hordes withdraw in terror: kneeling at the foot of your throne we invoke You, and we ask You to listen to our prayer

    Tormented by the grave apostasy which strikes a mortal blow against humanity and by the crisis which afflicts the members of the Mystical Body of your Son, [in these places blessed by your apparition to Mélanie and Maximin,] we consecrate ourselves, our homeland and the Holy Church to You, so that thanks to Your powerful intercession and by virtue of the merits of Your compassion and co-redemption, You may deign to implore the divine Majesty to spare us from the punishments that loom over the world and over nations.

    We offer our nothingness to You, aware that we are completely indebted to Your Divine Son; to you we entrust and consecrate ourselves, our families, and our loved ones, so that every breath of ours, every beat of our heart may be an act of praise to the One who as a provident and most loving Mother has so often admonished and called us to correspond to the infinite Love of our Creator and Redeemer by a virtuous life following the Commandments. Protect us in this terrible battle against the Enemy of the human race, who seems to be unleashed today as never before in order to snatch souls from Heaven whom Jesus Christ has redeemed at the price of His Most Precious Blood.

    To you we offer and consecrate our homeland, begging you to implore for it the Peace of Christ in the Kingdom of Christ. Grant us good and holy rulers, who will govern the nation according to justice and respect for the Law of God. Inspire in them the strength to resist the snares of our enemies, the courage to fight them fiercely, and the humility to place all hope in Our Lord Jesus Christ, to whom all earthly power belongs. Obtain for the United States of America protection and defense from the furious assault of Satan: may Your virginal foot crush the head of the ancient Serpent and thwart the infernal plans of his servants. Hear the prayer of so many good souls and spare America, as you spared the inhabitants of the repentant city of Nineveh.

    To You, Queen and Mother of the Church, we consecrate the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and in particular the Hierarchy and the Ministers of Your Son: remove from us the scourges that [here] in La Salette you announced as impending on all of us all because of their infidelity. Confirm in your love the clergy and religious who have remained faithful to your Son, and move to true conversion those who afflict his Most Sacred Heart with their sins, scandals, and sacrileges. Let the Holy City of Rome rediscover the Faith and be a beacon of Truth for all nations, and not – as you have revealed – the seat of the Antichrist. O Mary, our Advocate, offer to the Most Holy Trinity the sacrifices, penance and fasts that so many of your children carry out in union with the Passion of the Lord Jesus. May the voice of the many priests who are persecuted because of their fidelity to the Gospel rise to the throne of God’s Majesty, as well as the voice of the faithful who, thanks to them, are able to feed on the Bread of Angels and sanctify themselves through the Holy Sacraments. May the Graces of which you are the Mediatrix descend upon all of them, upon all of us.

    Finally, accept, as reparation for our sins, the sins of the Nations, and the sins of your Son’s Ministers, our humble act of submission, by which we proclaim and acknowledge You as our Queen and Lady, and Your Divine Son, Jesus Christ, Our Lord and King. Preserve us in Your love, accompany us with Your intercession during this earthly exile, and welcome us into the blessed glory of Heaven. And so may it be.

    + Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
    Beatæ Mariæ Virginis Reginæ


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2023, 12:52:46 PM »
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  • Michael Matt's introduction references the famous "Rome will lose the faith" part of this revelation, but wasn't that part of LaSalette placed on the Index?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2023, 12:58:29 PM »
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  • Regarding the questionable authenticity of Melanie's statement about "Rome will lose the faith:"

    https://www.arcaneknowledge.org/catholic/lasalette.htm


    4. False Version of Melanie’s Secret
    Unfortunately, Melanie was not content to let her prophetic legacy remain in the Vatican archives. Although her personal conduct was generally exemplary, she later found it difficult to comply with cloistered life, and was heavily influenced by lurid apocalyptic writings, as well as less than scrupulous advisors who wished to coax the secret out of her.

    Finally, in 1879, she released a greatly expanded version of the secret, including new interpretations of the true secret as well as completely new revelations unmentioned in the 1851 version. All these new embellishments were indiscriminately ascribed to Our Lady of La Salette, resulting in an apocalyptic tract many times longer than the authentic secret submitted to the Pope in 1851. This tract contained prophecies that were either in tension with the Catholic faith, as in its assertion that Rome would apostatize, or, more commonly, proven to be historically false in the course of time.

    This false apocalypse circulated under the title of Apparition of the Blessed Virgin on the Mountain of La Salette, bearing the imprimatur of Bishop Zola of Lecce. The fact that a French tract had to seek the imprimatur of an Italian bishop should arouse our suspicions, and indeed, Melanie had been instructed by her bishop not to publish any prophecies. After joining a convent in 1851, Melanie invented fantastic stories of her miraculous childhood, playing with the child Jesus and leading animals in a religious procession. Her behavior became progressively bizarre, as she had hysterical fits and threatened to bite her superior. She was never allowed to become a sister, and instead was sent off to England in 1855. There she claimed to hear voices and witness miraculous events. Away from her bishop, she began to make apocalyptic prophecies.

    After years of moving from convent to convent, and never progressing beyond the novitiate, Melanie stayed in Castellamare from 1867 onward. When new religious orders were being formed at La Salette in 1878, Melanie claimed she was authorized to provide their rules and habits. This request was denied by the bishop and by the Pope himself in an interview with Melanie.

    It is in reaction to this thorough rejection by the Church hierarchy that Melanie wrote her new tract, full of bitter invective against a supposedly faithless clergy. Not contrary to faith and morals in the narrow sense, it received an imprimatur, but in 1880 the Holy Office forbade her to write further tracts. Few copies of the 1879 tract were circulated, and it was published again more widely in 1904. A third printing in 1922, with a new imprimatur, finally resulted in Rome’s placing of the tract on the Index of Prohibited Books in 1923. The decree of the Holy Office reads:

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    DAMNATUR OPUSCULUM: “L’APPARITION DE LA TRÉS SAINTE VIERGE DE LA SALETTE”

    DECRETUM

    Feria IV, die 9 maii 1923

    In generali consessu Supremae Sacrae Congregationis S. Officii Emi ac Rmi Domini Cardinales fidei et moribus tutandis praepositi proscripserunt atque damnaverunt opusculum: L’apparition de la trés Sainte Vierge sur la montague de la Salette le samedi septembre 1846.—Simple réimpression du texte intégral publié par Mélanie, etc. Societé Saint-Augustin, Paris-Rome-Bruges, 1922;

    [ - ocr.pdf"] (1923) {PDF}, pp. 287-288. See also related decrees of the Holy Office.]

    Note that the condemned 1922 version (damnatur opusculum, “condemned minor work”) is nothing more than a simple reprinting of Melanie’s original text of 1879, so Melanie’s original text is what is being condemned. This judgment naturally supersedes the imprimatur of any local bishop, and as Cardinal Ratzinger has stated, the Index retains its moral force for Catholics, notwithstanding the fact that the list is no longer updated.

    To this day, this condemned tract is widely reprinted (often with thirty-three numbered paragraphs), ironically among the most devout and traditional Catholics. Relying on the authority of the imprimatur and on the status of La Salette as an approved apparition, many well-meaning Catholics have come to believe that this anticlerical diatribe is actually endorsed by the Church. Schismatically-oriented traditionalists find in it vindication of their belief that Rome has in fact lost the faith, as have most of the world’s bishops. Others take seriously the fantastic apocalyptic details concocted by Melanie’s feverish imagination. Sober-minded people may recoil from the booklet’s wild claims, and, mistaking this for the authentic message of La Salette, may come to disbelieve in La Salette, and in Marian apparitions more generally.


    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #3 on: June 02, 2023, 01:24:36 PM »
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  • It is interesting to me how many of the writings of the mystics/apparitionists are or were actually condemned by the Church (e.g., Mary of Agreda, Ann Catherine Emmerich, Valtorta, Melanie, Sr. Faustina, et al.), which is why I don't get too much into them, except for the ones which time has proven true (e.g., Fatima, Lourdes). 
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2023, 01:51:29 PM »
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  • Michael Matt's introduction references the famous "Rome will lose the faith" part of this revelation, but wasn't that part of LaSalette placed on the Index?
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    Yes, it certainly was. Here is a history of the various condemnations of this text and its proponents.


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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2023, 03:00:44 PM »
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  • Question: I read that the Cur de Are,  St. John Vinnaey had on his desk the Bible and The Mystical City of God. Question is, do anyone of you have that understanding? as well.

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #6 on: June 02, 2023, 05:02:25 PM »
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  • Schismatically-oriented traditionalists find in it vindication of their belief that Rome has in fact lost the faith, as have most of the world’s bishops.

    This line discredited the entire rant as having been driven by a Conciliarist agenda.  Makes me wonder about how much of the rest is made up.

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #7 on: June 02, 2023, 05:05:19 PM »
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    Yes, it certainly was. Here is a history of the various condemnations of this text and its proponents.

    Who wrote that article?  It's a mess.
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    In brief, after a private revelation has been approved in either or both a negative and positive way by the Church, there is still no obligation on anyone who didn't directly/personally receive such a revelation to believe it by divine faith, but all we are required to do is not despise it.

    Uhm, no, not even the person who directly/personally received such a revelation believes it "by divine faith".



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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #8 on: June 02, 2023, 05:12:51 PM »
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  • It is interesting to me how many of the writings of the mystics/apparitionists are or were actually condemned by the Church (e.g., Mary of Agreda, Ann Catherine Emmerich, Valtorta, Melanie, Sr. Faustina, et al.), which is why I don't get too much into them, except for the ones which time has proven true (e.g., Fatima, Lourdes).

    LaSalette was in fact approved by the Church, beginning with Pope Leo XIII, and all the Popes through Pius XII spoke favorably of it.  Mary of Agreda's "condemnation" was borderline, passing by one vote if I recall among a group of academics at the Sorbonne, some of whom had Jansenist leanings, and due almost entirely to a defective French translation, but the condemnation was reversed by Rome.

    And what do you mean by the Church?  Your great Saint Wojtyla canonized Faustina, promoted her writings, and even made Divine Mercy into a Feast Day.  I don't know how much more "approval" from "the Church" (as you hold it to be) you can get.

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #9 on: June 02, 2023, 06:11:14 PM »
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  • LaSalette was in fact approved by the Church, beginning with Pope Leo XIII, and all the Popes through Pius XII spoke favorably of it.  Mary of Agreda's "condemnation" was borderline, passing by one vote if I recall among a group of academics at the Sorbonne, some of whom had Jansenist leanings, and due almost entirely to a defective French translation, but the condemnation was reversed by Rome.

    And what do you mean by the Church?  Your great Saint Wojtyla canonized Faustina, promoted her writings, and even made Divine Mercy into a Feast Day.  I don't know how much more "approval" from "the Church" (as you hold it to be) you can get.

    When you start talking stupid like this, I just presume you’re drinking.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #10 on: June 02, 2023, 06:22:39 PM »
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  • This line discredited the entire rant as having been driven by a Conciliarist agenda.  Makes me wonder about how much of the rest is made up.

    Yes, logic has never been your strong point, so it does not surprise me that it would impact your assent.  But for other normal trads, they will understand that this line has no bearing upon whether or not the Church condemned this portion of the revelation (which it obviously did).  You go right ahead and keep pretending it didn’t, though.  Reality has never been an obstacle for you.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Vigano's Consecration to Our Lady of LaSalette
    « Reply #11 on: June 02, 2023, 07:31:08 PM »
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  • It is interesting to me how many of the writings of the mystics/apparitionists are or were actually condemned by the Church (e.g., Mary of Agreda, Ann Catherine Emmerich, Valtorta, Melanie, Sr. Faustina, et al.), which is why I don't get too much into them, except for the ones which time has proven true (e.g., Fatima, Lourdes).

    Interesting that everyone you name is a woman.  Just out of curiosity, do mystics and apparationists tend to be women (or, in the case of Fatima, children)?  That'd be something to ponder.

    Put another way, how many of them have been men?  Only St Simon Stock comes to mind, as well as, of course, St Paul.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 02, 2023, 08:23:52 PM »
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  • Interesting that everyone you name is a woman.  Just out of curiosity, do mystics and apparationists tend to be women (or, in the case of Fatima, children)?  That'd be something to ponder.

    Put another way, how many of them have been men?  Only St Simon Stock comes to mind, as well as, of course, St Paul.

    Now that you mention it, most "apparitionists", whether genuine or not, do tend to be women.  For ones that aren't genuine, not only do women tend to have more active imaginations, but they also very much crave to be the center of attention and to be viewed as saints, special, and chosen by God.  We do also have men like Padre Pio.  But I'm convinced that many male saints who worked miracles also often received visions or apparitions ... but simply tended not to talk about these very much.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 02, 2023, 08:42:21 PM »
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  • Now that you mention it, most "apparitionists", whether genuine or not, do tend to be women.  For ones that aren't genuine, not only do women tend to have more active imaginations, but they also very much crave to be the center of attention and to be viewed as saints, special, and chosen by God.  We do also have men like Padre Pio.  But I'm convinced that many male saints who worked miracles also often received visions or apparitions ... but simply tended not to talk about these very much.
    Veronica Lueken and Mary Ann Van Hoof come immediately to mind.

    I didn't think of Padre Pio.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 02, 2023, 09:19:53 PM »
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  • When you start talking stupid like this, I just presume you’re drinking.

    Brilliant response, Johnson.