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Offline SSPXCrisis

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VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
« on: July 25, 2012, 09:22:26 AM »
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  • "If the Society continues, having by a miracle got rid of Bishop Fellay and his gang... I think they will go, go back, to the mainstream Church... And it will be, quite honestly, good riddance to bad rubbish."

    A follow-up to the video already posted in which Bishop Williamson expressed hopes that the General Chapter would depose Bishop Fellay:

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    In this one he acknowledges that it would have taken "a miracle" for the deposition to happen. We now know that no such "miracle" was granted.


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 10:24:02 AM »
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  • Then is it that sure, that the SSPX will 'reconcile' with Modernists under Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, the new prefect of the CDF in the Vatican who will take care of the Ecclesia Dei commission.

    I think Bp. Williamson should not have said this in a public video. This is just too aggressive, although I can understand his anger somewhat.

    I think Bp. Fellay should be deposed later. Fellay clearly pushes his own opinion too much, without much dogmatic and doctrinal basis.

    The Church is not politics, no hobby, but deadly serious. One jota from dogma being changed, will corrupt the entire Church and faithful communities.

    Of course the internal inconsistencies of Bp. Williamson's "recognize, sift and resist" position still remain.

    But we do all agree on Roman Catholic dogma and definitive moral and other teaching of the Holy Roman Apostolic and Catholic Church.

    One cannot agree with Modernists or make an agreement. Another solution is due to happen. Benedict XVI is not "staunchly" orthodox, despite his "conservative" reputation in the ignorant and extremely liberal and relativistic Western media....


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 11:12:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    I think Bp. Williamson should not have said this in a public video. This is just too aggressive, although I can understand his anger somewhat.


    Respectfully, I disagree.

    The time for holding one's tongue is over. While I do agree that in times gone by, when the true feelings and private sentiments between +Fellay and +Williamson were somewhat necessarily muted in the name of harmony of the inner workings of the FSSPX, then yes, such statements would prove provocative.

    But the provocation of soundbyte one-liners and gentle inuendo between the two has given way to a very public, blunt and resolute bottom line: +Fellay wants +Williamson gone and the feeling is mutual. No more games, no more hesitation - the cat is out of the cellophane bag and is clear for all to see. It is clear that the new SSPX has no use for +Williamson any longer. That being said, if +Tissier de Mallerais or +de Galarreta continue to take their positions which align with +Williamson's, it won't be long before they too find themselves on the outs.

    After this general chapter and the public actions taken to forbid +Williamson, and the public release of information from the SSPX organ (DICI) regarding the "vote" and the tally, there's no more secrets. So these statements, even given before the general chapter, do not bother me. Whether +Williamson said these things two weeks prior or two weeks after the general chapter, he still would have been unwelcome to come there, just as he has been unwelcome at ordinations, meetings, etc.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    Fellay clearly pushes his own opinion too much, without much dogmatic and doctrinal basis.


    Agreed.

    And sadly, since the Church isn't in Her right mind and we have no leadership from the top down, there's no one hierarchically speaking to discipline +Fellay for his out-of-line behavior and abuse of power. But he too, just like we, will have to kneel before his judge to make an account of his life.

    We must pray for him.

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    The Church is not politics, no hobby, but deadly serious. One jota from dogma being changed, will corrupt the entire Church and faithful communities.


    No it isn't, but all too often, we moderns love to make it political. The one jot or tittle of the faith being changed or compromised is exactly what drives +Williamson to do what he does. And the fact that he is one of a very small handful on earth of true shepherds who understands that and takes his episcopal ministry seriously speaks of how well his mind is formed around doctrine.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    Of course the internal inconsistencies of Bp. Williamson's "recognize, sift and resist" position still remain.


    Agreed again. Although this is merely academic in respect to your next valid point.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    But we do all agree on Roman Catholic dogma and definitive moral and other teaching of the Holy Roman Apostolic and Catholic Church.


    Indeed.


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 11:37:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    Then is it that sure, that the SSPX will 'reconcile' with Modernists under Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, the new prefect of the CDF in the Vatican who will take care of the Ecclesia Dei commission.

    I think Bp. Williamson should not have said this in a public video. This is just too aggressive, although I can understand his anger somewhat.

    Perhaps it is time to stop pressuming good will on the part of Bishop Fellay after such repeated evidence of willful deception. His acceptance of the Vatican II Religious Liberty text on CNS, the follow-up evasive in-house "interviews," and the ambiguous "communiques" are intolerable from an objective traditionalist standpoint.

    All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to remain too attached to good manners.

    +Williamson's Sword of Truth cuts through the spider webs of +Fellay's Modernist compromise.

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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 11:57:24 AM »
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  • Formerly, one might have naively presumed that Bishop Fellay was cooperating with pro-traditionalist Romans by using diplomatic ambiguity to lull the Jєωs and liberal Romans into complacency toward Tradition. However, it turns out that there were no pro-traditionalist Romans and +Felly was cooperating with anti-traditionalist Romans against traditionalists. The only remaining question is whether +Fellay was genuinely fooled into thinking the Romans were friendly or secretly knew they were anti-traditionalist all along.


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 12:33:53 PM »
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  • Presently, the Society is composed of a variety of priests, some of whom desire
    to return to the conciliar Church, and many of them would like to take the entire
    Society with them when they go.

    But if they can't take all the Society with them in a "normalization," then these
    sellout advocates, these Fellayites, will depart by attrition, one by one. And then
    they will be doing the will of God, Who wants to have the Society thus purified by
    purging the unworthy members.
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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 01:21:21 PM »
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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 01:24:05 PM »
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  • I'd like to see the whole video.  


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 01:36:43 PM »
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    I'd like to see the whole video.  


    Not sure which one it's in, but there are 13 conferences.  
     
    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 1


    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 13


     

    Just type the title with whatever conference number you want into the youtube search, and the rest should come up.


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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 01:50:00 PM »
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    I'd like to see the whole video.  


    Not sure which one it's in, but there are 13 conferences.  
     
    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 1


    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 13


     

    Just type the title with whatever conference number you want into the youtube search, and the rest should come up.



    Wow!  that's a lot!  Thanks

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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 02:12:17 PM »
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    The only remaining question is whether +Fellay was genuinely fooled into thinking the Romans were friendly or secretly knew they were anti-traditionalist all along.


    Do you think he discovered during the doctrinal discussions that what was condemned in the Council was not of the Council and that Vatican II should become part of the great tradition of the Church?



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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 02:36:54 PM »
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  • SSPX Crisis, if I may ask, I presume Bishop Williamson is aware that his statements are being made public in this manner, and has approved it?
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 08:13:17 PM »
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    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    I think Bp. Williamson should not have said this in a public video. This is just too aggressive, although I can understand his anger somewhat.


    Respectfully, I disagree.

    The time for holding one's tongue is over. While I do agree that in times gone by, when the true feelings and private sentiments between +Fellay and +Williamson were somewhat necessarily muted in the name of harmony of the inner workings of the FSSPX, then yes, such statements would prove provocative.

    But the provocation of soundbyte one-liners and gentle inuendo between the two has given way to a very public, blunt and resolute bottom line: +Fellay wants +Williamson gone and the feeling is mutual. No more games, no more hesitation - the cat is out of the cellophane bag and is clear for all to see. It is clear that the new SSPX has no use for +Williamson any longer. That being said, if +Tissier de Mallerais or +de Galarreta continue to take their positions which align with +Williamson's, it won't be long before they too find themselves on the outs.

    After this general chapter and the public actions taken to forbid +Williamson, and the public release of information from the SSPX organ (DICI) regarding the "vote" and the tally, there's no more secrets. So these statements, even given before the general chapter, do not bother me. Whether +Williamson said these things two weeks prior or two weeks after the general chapter, he still would have been unwelcome to come there, just as he has been unwelcome at ordinations, meetings, etc.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    Fellay clearly pushes his own opinion too much, without much dogmatic and doctrinal basis.


    Agreed.

    And sadly, since the Church isn't in Her right mind and we have no leadership from the top down, there's no one hierarchically speaking to discipline +Fellay for his out-of-line behavior and abuse of power. But he too, just like we, will have to kneel before his judge to make an account of his life.

    We must pray for him.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    The Church is not politics, no hobby, but deadly serious. One jota from dogma being changed, will corrupt the entire Church and faithful communities.


    No it isn't, but all too often, we moderns love to make it political. The one jot or tittle of the faith being changed or compromised is exactly what drives +Williamson to do what he does. And the fact that he is one of a very small handful on earth of true shepherds who understands that and takes his episcopal ministry seriously speaks of how well his mind is formed around doctrine.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    Of course the internal inconsistencies of Bp. Williamson's "recognize, sift and resist" position still remain.


    Agreed again. Although this is merely academic in respect to your next valid point.

    Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
    But we do all agree on Roman Catholic dogma and definitive moral and other teaching of the Holy Roman Apostolic and Catholic Church.


    Indeed.




    From Father Rostand's comments in San Antonio last weekend, we see that Bp. Fellay's political incompetance is being blamed on Bp. Williamson.

    The SSPX "soft-liner" cabal is resorting to blatant lies to cover their tracks.
    While Max Krah's buddies resurrect αnтι-ѕємιтє charges in German courts,
    Bp. Williamson is on the verge of being expelled from the SSPX.

    As Bp. Fellay concocts his expulsion case, Bp. Williamson has nothing to lose by calling for Fellay's ouster. Bp. Fellay has abused his authority, lied and lost his credibility. In justice, the majority of SSPX priests should be behind Bp. Williamson.





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 09:33:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    The only remaining question is whether +Fellay was genuinely fooled into thinking the Romans were friendly or secretly knew they were anti-traditionalist all along.


    Do you think he discovered during the doctrinal discussions that what was condemned in the Council was not of the Council and that Vatican II should become part of the great tradition of the Church?



    Sorry, Tele, your words do not add up, objectively. Nothing was condemned in the
    Council (Vatcian II). The Council did not make any condemnations. But even if it
    had condemned something, how could that have "not" been "of the Council," such
    "that Vatican II should become part of the great tradition of the Church?"
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    VIDEO: Bp Williamson slams "Bp Fellay and his gang"
    « Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 10:00:57 PM »
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    I'd like to see the whole video.  


    Not sure which one it's in, but there are 13 conferences.  
     
    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 1


    SSPX Archbishop Lefebvre & Rome 13


     

    Just type the title with whatever conference number you want into the youtube search, and the rest should come up.



    Those are some very cool videos!  Thanks again!