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Offline FireballXL5

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Here is a case from around 2005. A family moved from my chapel to St. Thomas Becket only to be horrified at what $700,000 can buy you out there.

They went back to the Novus Ordo years later. It is only because of them that I learned of this. No one ever talked about it.  

Having been involved in the Philadelphia Diocese Grand Jury Investigation as a material witness in 2002, I find this article containing much information about how sɛҳuąƖ deviants manipulate, how parishioners accommodate,  and how SSPX, even with this 11 year old event, is still totally unaware of what lurks around in their chapels.

I sent this article to the SSPX Bishops in 2011 with a stern warning that their seminary training to recognize these types is negligent and is following a similar pattern that was found in the Philadelphia Diocese Superior structure.

As for my experience: In 2002 I provided to the Philadelphia Grand Jury, 45 pages of how spiritual and social manipulation in the case I was involved in, is extensive when it comes to who covers up, what they say, the effect on parishioners, the rotten things people do who act on the disinformation, the effect on witnesses coming forward, the alarming amount of people who have some knowledge of what's going on, and how "cleaning up crime scenes" is now under a new title called "Pastoral Care."  The priest I testified against was defrocked and the head of the Chancery, William Lynn, was given jail time for covering up these crimes.
 
(Footnote: I was told Simmerman returned to the chapel after his jail term, but under what circuмstances, if true, I don't know.)

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Businessman+sentenced+in+sex+case.-a0164781529

Businessman sentenced in sex case.
Byline: Susan Palmer The Register-Guard

Issuing a stern rebuke, a judge sentenced a local businessman to three years and eight months in prison for sɛҳuąƖly abusing two underage teens at the Veneta church where he was known as a compassionate benefactor.

James Richard "Burt" Simmerman, 63, pleaded guilty to 10 counts of third-degree sɛҳuąƖ abuse and four counts of second-degree sɛҳuąƖ abuse for several encounters with two 16-year-old girls.

Because he has no record and has been well-respected at St. Thomas Becket Rectory where he is a parishioner, Simmerman asked for no jail time, electronic surveillance and treatment for what he called "erroneous thinking." He expressed sorrow for his actions and cried as he apologized to the victims and his wife.

"From the first day, my heart has been broken," Simmerman said. "I have the deepest possible remorse for this."

Circuit Judge Darryl Larson didn't buy it.

"With every word out of your mouth I'm more convinced," Larson said. "The last three minutes I've seen the kind of ridiculous behavior that we see in drug addicts. We call it pretend crying."

At that moment in the courtroom, Simmerman's wife spoke out through very real sobs. "He has cried. He's cried and cried," she said.

Larson ignored her outburst, blasting Simmerman for behavior that had not only emotionally damaged his victims and betrayed his wife, but fractured the tight-knit church community.
The teens were students at the private school operated by the conservative Catholic church that conducts Mass in Latin. Simmerman was the godfather of one of the girls and a close family friend of the other, according to Assistant District Attorney Erik Hasselman. The Register-Guard does not name the victims in criminal proceedings.

A wealthy man who owns the Oregon Lox Co. and is a co-owner of a motorcycle dealership in Colorado, Simmerman had donated at least $700,000 worth of interior design work at the parish's new church, according to parish priest Daniel Cooper.

He was charged in March with 17 counts that ranged from fondling to deviant sɛҳuąƖ intercourse. He pleaded guilty to 14 of the charges.

Hasselman described the victims as naive young ladies so protected by their families that they couldn't see a predator coming.

Rather than impulsive brushes with the victims, Hasselman said, Simmerman planned the encounters, for example stashing a sleeping bag in the bell tower of the church where he later took one of the girls.

When one victim told her parents - and an investigation led to charges - Simmerman was able to "raise an army of supporters," some of whom wrote letters to the court, blaming the victims for making themselves available to him, Hasselman said.

"He should be ashamed he has friends like that," Hasselman said.

He read a statement written by one of the victims, expressing a confusing twist of emotions, "heartfelt gratitude" to her godparents for some of the fondest experiences of her life and at the same time an inability to trust as well as pain at the hurtful rumors that have circulated in the community in regard to the incidents.

The other victim spoke herself, describing her own confusion: disgust at the unasked-for attention fighting against her lifelong training to respect her elders.

Defense attorney James Jagger asked the judge not to blame Simmerman for letters from his supporters criticizing the girls. Jagger said his client wasn't a predator, that he had helped many families in and outside the church community, regardless of whether they had children.

He acknowledged that his client has a slowly developing pattern of age-inappropriate sɛҳuąƖ interest that would be likely to continue without sex offender treatment.

To lock him away without treatment wouldn't serve the community, he said.

But Judge Larson disagreed.

"I have to ask myself, if you could betray your wife repeatedly ... how can you be trusted?" Larson said. "I don't see that you can."

The case has been devastating for the parish, said Cooper, the priest.

"Obviously we love and support the girls and want what's best for them. Mr. Simmerman, we love his family, too," Cooper said.

In the aftermath, school staff and church members have become more vigilant and less trusting, Cooper said. There's guilt among a few people who didn't speak up about their worries that Simmerman was too friendly toward the girls.

"But honestly," Cooper said. "He was so friendly to everyone in the parish."

Besides prison, Simmerman also will have to pay both of his victims $10,000 to help them cope with costs such as counseling. He faces three years of postprison supervision, must register as a sex offender and will be required to get treatment.


Offline Miseremini

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2016, 02:28:09 PM »
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  • I wonder how many such incidents have occured in the SSPX that the laity are not aware of.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2016, 04:04:17 PM »
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  • In the case I was involved in you had a mixture of consensual and non-consensual contact. You also had those who emotionally disconnected themselves from the incident and if pressed to join the others who desired to step forward, got a hyper-spiritualized lecture on the virtue of total forgiveness. (They're a total mess today.) My response to this hyper-spiritualization was to accuse these people of being responsible for future violations since that was the circuмstances that led to my violation. Also, there are those, who are "enriched in the virtues of the Holy Spirit," (LOL) who have a talent for manipulating people (gaslighting) into a spiritual silence for the "betterment of the Christ Child." Masterful abilities to manipulate!  Just MASTERFUL!

    You have to be subject to this treatment to understand the colossal spiritual destruction individuals can spontaneously verbalize that leads to feeling of guilt, co-responsibility, and wondering if any prior personal garbage that, unfortunately, has attached itself to this most unfortunate misunderstanding of pastoral care (the violation) that is the real reason you are upset. That projection of what the priest did to me, and being transferred to the relationship I had with my dad, was given to me by Fr Benedict Groeschel. A distorted memory of events (thanks a lot Benny. Best 1 hour talk I ever had. Learned a lot about how deep the cover-up goes and all bases (EWTN) are covered.) The evil a mans tongue is capable of to cover up crimes with spirituality, so that an organization, in which they greatly prosper from, is not shut down, is more common than you would believe. In the Novus Ordo, these are often the people who are playing the role of the priest, i.e. a ministry title who can't let go, even at the risk of putting people in danger.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 15, 2016, 04:25:23 PM »
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    In the case I was involved in you had a mixture of consensual and non-consensual contact. You also had those who emotionally disconnected themselves from the incident and if pressed to join the others who desired to step forward, got a hyper-spiritualized lecture on the virtue of total forgiveness. (They're a total mess today.) My response to this hyper-spiritualization was to accuse these people of being responsible for future violations since that was the circuмstances that led to my violation. Also, there are those, who are "enriched in the virtues of the Holy Spirit," (LOL) who have a talent for manipulating people (gaslighting) into a spiritual silence for the "betterment of the Christ Child." Masterful abilities to manipulate!  Just MASTERFUL!

    You have to be subject to this treatment to understand the colossal spiritual destruction individuals can spontaneously verbalize that leads to feeling of guilt, co-responsibility, and wondering if any prior personal garbage that, unfortunately, has attached itself to this most unfortunate misunderstanding of pastoral care (the violation) that is the real reason you are upset. That projection of what the priest did to me, and being transferred to the relationship I had with my dad, was given to me by Fr Benedict Groeschel. A distorted memory of events (thanks a lot Benny. Best 1 hour talk I ever had. Learned a lot about how deep the cover-up goes and all bases (EWTN) are covered.) The evil a mans tongue is capable of to cover up crimes with spirituality, so that an organization, in which they greatly prosper from, is not shut down, is more common than you would believe. In the Novus Ordo, these are often the people who are playing the role of the priest, i.e. a ministry title who can't let go, even at the risk of putting people in danger.


    I'm not sure I understand your post.  Can you put it more plainly?  Maybe it's me, but you seem to be talking in riddles and around something.


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    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2016, 04:36:26 PM »
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  • Yeah the OP is venting a lot of very negative emotions and we aren't privy to the information and thoughts so we are confused.

    But I believe you OP for what it's worth.  There are many men in authority who hold themselves out to be good Catholics who are devils.  They can fool even the most "discerning" of people.  And the victims are frequently not believed.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2016, 05:36:50 PM »
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  • I do too, but his posts are cryptic, and I don't want to have to wonder what he means or fill in between the lines.

    Was he a victim?  And went to Fr. Groeschel, the old priest who was first a psychologist  :rolleyes: and then a priest, who messed him up more?

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    Yeah the OP is venting a lot of very negative emotions and we aren't privy to the information and thoughts so we are confused.


    My fault in how I presented it, and its not negative emotions, its the complexity of these cases I was trying to convey. The general public is rarely aware of the emotional games that get played when sex abuse issues occur. And this will be the case when SSPX has to answer some tough questions.

    That was my intent. Bare with me.

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    Was he a victim? And went to Fr. Groeschel, the old priest who was first a psychologist :rolleyes: and then a priest, who messed him up more?


    My case was from the 1980's and I was a victim. I got off light compared to others. I talked with Fr Groeschel in 1999 about my case, and was trying to convey to the readers that the issue of violation is often sidestepped by priests who try to deflect it to something else. This is what got him in trouble when he commented that young men often tempt the priest. (Rediculous)

    As threads talk about the Post Falls sex abuse case, I remembered my case and wanted to chime in as someone who personally experienced it.

    I feel sorry for those who step forward in Post Falls if they were violated. They will continue to go through hell for awhile since these violations are very complex to express.

    That's all.


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    Yeah the OP is venting a lot of very negative emotions and we aren't privy to the information and thoughts so we are confused.


    My fault in how I presented it, and its not negative emotions, its the complexity of these cases I was trying to convey. The general public is rarely aware of the emotional games that get played when sex abuse issues occur. And this will be the case when SSPX has to answer some tough questions.

    That was my intent. Bare with me.


    I understand.  
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  • Fireball, where do you go to Church now?
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  • Year of mercy for sodomists and perverts.

    No mercy for victims.
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  • Isn't the masons symbol with one eye in triangle?
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    Fireball, where do you go to Church now?


    I go to an SSPX chapel on the East Coast.

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    Year of mercy for sodomists and perverts.

    No mercy for victims.


    Yes you are correct. And the 'One-eye' is masonic.  I think this image is promoting that we 'see through the eye of those we judge' (or something like that.) That type of message appeals to those who like mercy undefined. And as a result, the average un-informable person doesn't apply mercy by converting, they often bond to the sinner and wind up conceding to their sin by finding virtues in them.  Totally screwed up spirituality.

    As for 'mercy for victims': what drove me to Tradition was my persistence in exposing the environment that sustains ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in my diocese. I learned that doing that was the ultimate sin someone could commit.

    The story I posted above really surprised me when I read it (and had someone in that chapel to fill in the blanks.) And to read what happened in PF, and also consider the difficulty many of us men in my chapel have faced over the years in dealing with parishioners who exhibit aberrant behavior, it  wouldn't surprise me if this is only the 'tip of the iceberg.'