Author Topic: VatII - the Biggest Disaster in Church History (Read 2295 times)

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** September 12, 2012, 04:43:39 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

There had been a priest whose picture had hung on the walls of school classrooms
all over the country, for years and years. Then one day, suddenly, his pictures
were taken down without any explanation. He had been the darling of educators
from sea to shining sea one day, and persona non grata the next. Why? Because
he dared to defend the dogma of the Church, extra ecclesiam nulla salus, when
it was "politically incorrect" to do so, especially in Boston, MA, where he was
evangelizing for "the conversion of America."

And that was an entire decade before Vatican II.

Fr. Leonard Feeney?

Maria Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:23:27 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

I'm still wondering why no one except a handful of traditionalists stood up to the onslaught. I don't see how any priest or lay teacher with some Thomist / scholastic education or even just have read a couple of good books didn't see through this whole charade.

As for fear. I get that. Most people will be deathly afraid of being excommunicated or lose their social standing or even lose their occupation. Fear is understandable.

Or despair. Where could one go to Mass? How was one supposed to fulfill one's Sunday obligation when all the priests were so anti-Tradition? What was one to do? Become Protestant???

These are the same issues facing us today with the infiltration of the SSPX. In those dioscese where the bishops are hostile to Tradition, there are no other options for traditional Catholics. We either live with the moderizations taking place within our chapels or else... what??

"Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." Please do not abandon us, dear Lord!! Our pastors are becoming ravenous wolves, seeking to devour the sheep!!

Incredulous · « **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2012, 08:29:34 PM »

Quote from: Maria Elizabeth

Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I'm still wondering why no one except a handful of traditionalists stood up to the onslaught. I don't see how any priest or lay teacher with some Thomist / scholastic education or even just have read a couple of good books didn't see through this whole charade.

As for fear. I get that. Most people will be deathly afraid of being excommunicated or lose their social standing or even lose their occupation. Fear is understandable.

Or despair. Where could one go to Mass? How was one supposed to fulfill one's Sunday obligation when all the priests were so anti-Tradition? What was one to do? Become Protestant???

These are the same issues facing us today with the infiltration of the SSPX. In those dioscese where the bishops are hostile to Tradition, there are no other options for traditional Catholics. We either live with the moderizations taking place within our chapels or else... what??

"Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." Please do not abandon us, dear Lord!! Our pastors are becoming ravenous wolves, seeking to devour the sheep!!

Agreed. The SSPX's faithful's complacency is the astounding part? How did they ever claim to be traditional Catholics?

Its another example of our "diabolical confusion".

As Fellay and Max steal-off into the night with the SSPX assets, the faithful don't even care or realize what they're losing?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** September 13, 2012, 02:44:20 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

I'm still wondering why no one except a handful of traditionalists stood up to the onslaught. I don't see how any priest or lay teacher with some Thomist / scholastic education or even just have read a couple of good books didn't see through this whole charade.

As for fear. I get that. Most people will be deathly afraid of being excommunicated or lose their social standing or even lose their occupation. Fear is understandable.

Perhaps some of it was just plain old laziness. The bishops of the world and the priests in their diocese were willing to try something new because they had become so accustomed to the Traditional Church and thought a "new way" would reach a larger chunk of the population - although I'm being generous here.

Has anyone here ever read a book that cast a light on Paul VI as a misguided man? I'm strongly inclined to believe that he had evil intentions all along.

I'm glad to see you're asking these questions. Because what you are looking for
is the same thing that future generations will be looking for. This does not make
sense to you right now: how is it going to make sense to children who won't be
born for another 40 years? Who's going to answer their questions if you can't find
satisfactory answers in 2012?

This is why we need to study. And part of studying is asking the hard questions,
and looking for the real answers. You had better start talking to older priests who
lived through this, 60 years old and older: because they're going to be getting
really hard to find very very soon. One such a one just died this week, Fr. Hector
Bolduc. His funeral is tomorrow. You'll never get any answers from him. But if
you show up at his funeral, and bring a tape recorder, I'd say you'll come away
with more data than you can process in a month, by asking others questions, and
making appointments for the future.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #14 on:** September 13, 2012, 08:42:44 AM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

I'm still wondering why no one except a handful of traditionalists stood up to the onslaught. I don't see how any priest or lay teacher with some Thomist / scholastic education or even just have read a couple of good books didn't see through this whole charade.

As for fear. I get that. Most people will be deathly afraid of being excommunicated or lose their social standing or even lose their occupation. Fear is understandable.

Perhaps some of it was just plain old laziness. The bishops of the world and the priests in their diocese were willing to try something new because they had become so accustomed to the Traditional Church and thought a "new way" would reach a larger chunk of the population - although I'm being generous here.

Has anyone here ever read a book that cast a light on Paul VI as a misguided man? I'm strongly inclined to believe that he had evil intentions all along.

Depends on the country. In Catholic countries (Europe, S. America) the people were cultural Catholics, but that's about it. Scarcesly anyone lived the faith. All of them left the Church, fallen away Catholics. That got like 80+% of Catholics (only like 5% of French, Austrian, Italian, French go to mass today).

In the USA, Catholics had become "Americanized", just like everyone else, religion became something that you didn't discuss or show in mixed company. Vatican II changes made Catholics acceptable even to hardened Protestants.

Basically, the tree was rotted by secularism for a long time. It's no wonder that Our Lord said: "But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?