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Vaticans doctrine chief: Pius X Society must accept Vatican II teachings :

Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, speaks with CNA during a July 20, 2012 interview.

Rome, Italy, Jul 24, 2012 / 04:00 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Although the new head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is optimistic about reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X, he says that the teachings of the Church – including the dogmatic content of the Second Vatican Council – will never be up for re-negotiation.

“The purpose of dialogue is to overcome difficulties in the interpretation of the Second Vatican Council,” Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller told CNA July 20, “but we cannot negotiate on revealed faith, that is impossible. An Ecuмenical Council, according to the Catholic faith, is always the supreme teaching authority of the Church.”

As prefect of the Congregation, Archbishop Muller is also the President of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei,” the Vatican body responsible for dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X.

The commission is currently awaiting an official reply from the society to an offer of reconciliation that would give the traditionalist group Personal Prelature status within the Church. In return the society would have to accept a “Doctrinal Preamble” proposed to it by the Congregation, including full adherence to the dogmatic content of the Second Vatican Council.

In a July 19 statement, the society said it had “determined and approved the necessary conditions for an eventual canonical normalization” at its recent General Chapter, but added that it still rejected “all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors” as well as “the reforms issued from it.”

“The assertion that the authentic teachings of Vatican II formally contradict the tradition of the Church is false,” Archbishop Muller stated.

He added, however, that between various texts of the council there are “gradations” of teaching authority. By way of an example, Archbishop Muller drew a comparison between the council’s docuмent on social communications, “Inter Mirifica,” which carries “less weight” than “dogmatic declarations” like the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium.”

“Whatever is dogmatic can never be negotiated,” he said, while still expressing hope that the members of the Society of Pius X “can overcome their difficulties, their ideological restrictions so that we can work together to proclaim Christ as the Light of the World.”

Although the 64-year-old German is new to his current post at the Vatican, Archbishop Muller has had extensive dealings with the Society of St. Pius X in the past. As Archbishop of Regensburg in the Bavaria region of Germany for the past decade, his diocesan territory included a seminary operated by the traditionalists group.

A key problem for Rome in recent discussions seems to be the perception that the Society of St. Pius X often speaks about errors in the conciliar texts themselves.

Instead, the Vatican believes a distinction should be made between what the Second Vatican Council actually said and the sometimes problematic interpretations and applications of its teaching.

“We can all come together and avoid ideological positions if we accept the Word of God present in the doctrine of the Catholic Church,” he said.

The Vatican’s willingness to continue dialogue was indicated last month with the deployment of a high-ranking American archbishop to the commission responsible for the discussions.

On June 26, Pope Benedict switched Rome-based Archbishop Augustine Di Noia from his post as secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship to vice president of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei.”

Archbishop Muller, who took up office in Rome earlier this month, said he is fully committed to working for the reconciliation of all separated Christians.

“Our aim and our task is clear – to promote the unity of all the disciples of Christ in the one Church under the leadership of Jesus Christ and in communion with his vicar, the successor of St. Peter.”

Tags: Pope Benedict, Christian Unity, Society of St. Pius X, CDF


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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 10:16:48 AM »
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  • At first I thought the headline said that the Head Vatican Chef commented...

    ...Even the chef at the Vatican is volunteering his opinion?

    Then I read the headline more carefully.  

     :rolleyes:

    I think the chef would have more wisdom.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 11:00:53 AM »
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  • He keeps using the term "dogmatic". Exactly what dogmas did VCII declare?

    I must have missed them.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 11:01:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    At first I thought the headline said that the Head Vatican Chef commented...

    ...Even the chef at the Vatican is volunteering his opinion?

    Then I read the headline more carefully.  

     :rolleyes:

    I think the chef would have more wisdom.


    Isn't "Vatican Chef" a Cardinal position?

    I think Fr. Z may apply!

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    Vaticans doctrine chief: Pius X Society must accept Vatican II teachings
    « Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 11:16:23 AM »
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    He keeps using the term "dogmatic". Exactly what dogmas did VCII declare?

    I must have missed them.


    One that immediately comes to mind is the one about the exact number of Jєωs who were killed by the nαzιs.
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 01:36:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus
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    He keeps using the term "dogmatic". Exactly what dogmas did VCII declare?

    I must have missed them.


    One that immediately comes to mind is the one about the exact number of Jєωs who were killed by the nαzιs.


    Or that "submission of mind and will" is owed to the "authentic" or "authorized" magisterium that has been undermining Tradition and abusing their authority for the last 50 years.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    Vaticans doctrine chief: Pius X Society must accept Vatican II teachings
    « Reply #6 on: July 24, 2012, 03:00:33 PM »
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    Instead, the Vatican believes a distinction should be made between what the Second Vatican Council actually said and the sometimes problematic interpretations and applications of its teaching.


    Bishop Fellay has shown his willingness to agree with the Vatican:

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    we see that many things which we would have condemned as being from the Council are in fact not from the Council” … and that: “The Pope says that the Council must be put within the great Tradition of the Church… These are statements we agree with, totally, absolutely.” (CNS, May, 2012)


    http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B532_English.htm

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    « Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 06:36:16 PM »
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    He keeps using the term "dogmatic". Exactly what dogmas did VCII declare?

    I must have missed them.


    SESSION XIV

    DECREE ON DESTROYING THE TRADITIONAL FAITH

    CANON I.- If any one saith, that clergy should pass on what they hath received; or, they adhere to the binding declarations of the late Sovereign Pontiff Pius V in Quo Primum; let him be anathema.