Vatican says Reconciliation Talks with SSPX still Ongoing

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service



Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, delivers a blessing during an early morning Mass at the society's headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland. (CNS/Paul Haring)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Reconciliation talks between the Vatican and the Society of St. Pius X have not reached their conclusion but will continue, the Vatican said May 16, after members of its doctrinal congregation examined the latest communication from the head of the breakaway traditionalist group.

"Some observations were formulated which will be kept in mind in further discussions," said Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, following a meeting of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Those observations regarded the SSPX's official response to a "doctrinal preamble," prepared by the Vatican in September, outlining "some doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity" to the formal teaching of the church, including the teaching of the Second Vatican Council.

The response was submitted in April by Bishop Bernard Fellay, the society's superior general. While Bishop Fellay has been generally positive about the possibility of reconciliation with Rome, leaked letters show that the society's three other bishops have had serious reservations about the process.

"In consideration of the positions taken by the three other bishops of the Society of St. Pius, their situation will have to be treated separately and individually," Father Lombardi said in a statement.

In addition to the hesitancy of the three bishops to support fully Bishop Fellay's efforts, Father Lombardi said, Bishop Richard Williamson's public denials of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and anti-Semitic statements also would require discussions separate from those of reconciliation with the SSPX as a whole.

"It is not that this is a process that necessarily will reach a solution that embraces all the positions" found among all the SSPX members, Father Lombardi said.

Even if the SSPX as a whole is reconciled with Rome, he said, "the individual bishops each must make a commitment" to full communion with Rome. "It's not as if there will be one solution that automatically extends to all."

Many observers of the process had expected the May 16 doctrinal congregation meeting to mark the penultimate step in the reconciliation talks. It appeared that congregation members would review Bishop Fellay's response and forward their opinions about it to Pope Benedict XVI for his final action.

Father Lombardi, however, said officials at the doctrinal congregation informed the pope of the results of the day's meeting but did not believe the reconciliation process was nearing its end.

"Obviously, the decision is in the pope's hands" and he can act when and how he wants, "but despite how it may have seemed -- that we were talking about a brief amount of time -- it is a process that continues," Father Lombardi said.

"It would be premature to guess when the process will end," he added.

Pope Benedict's latest efforts to bring about reconciliation with the traditionalist group began when he lifted the excommunications imposed on Bishop Fellay and other SSPX bishops after they were ordained without papal permission. The pope also established a Vatican committee for doctrinal talks with society representatives in 2009, and drafted the "doctrinal preamble" to explain the "minimal, essential" elements on which the society would have to agree for full reconciliation, Father Lombardi had said.

Notice how they always go back to the "sacrosanct dogma" of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and "anti-Semitism." Poor Bishop Williamson, being subjected to this outrage after just winning his case in Germany, forcing his opponents to pay him for the charges!

Let there be no doubt then that the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan is firmly in control of the Vatican.

As for Krah and the rest of his inner circle... " But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" Luke 18:8.

Or will the SSPX be just one more gaggle of h0Ɩ0h0αxers?

In addition to the hesitancy of the three bishops to support fully Bishop Fellay's efforts, Father Lombardi said, Bishop Richard Williamson's public denials of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and anti-Semitic statements also would require discussions separate from those of reconciliation with the SSPX as a whole.

Folks, just who do think is behind the curtain pulling the strings?

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Notice how they always go back to the "sacrosanct dogma" of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and "anti-Semitism." Poor Bishop Williamson, being subjected to this outrage after just winning his case in Germany, forcing his opponents to pay him for the charges!

Let there be no doubt then that the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan is firmly in control of the Vatican.

As for Krah and the rest of his inner circle... " But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" Luke 18:8.

Or will the SSPX be just one more gaggle of h0Ɩ0h0αxers?

Yes and here before us we see the plan of how to divide and destroy the SSPX from within.  This looks like the end if it takes place.

This is actually great for us, ultimately :  Like in the ancient days of the Apostles, our battle against the devil and his agents will be clear and robust.  No more will false ambiguity and smokescreens will be able to obscure the still clear battle line between the Kingship of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Enemy, with his ѕуηαgσgυє, who "maketh themselves adversaries to all men" unto the rule of Mammon in this world.  We have the great honour and privilege, therefore, of clean association with our devout ancestors in the Faith, of fighting and perhaps dying like true Soldiers of Christ for the glory of the Holy Name of God against all manner of wickedness in this, the blackest of all ages yet.  

Rome is smart.

The longer they wait to brng these discussions to a conclusion, the more division will be sown within the SSPX.

Unless Bishop Fellay call off the discussions, we can expect further fragmentation in the SSPX.

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"In consideration of the positions taken by the three other bishops of the Society of St. Pius, their situation will have to be treated separately and individually," Father Lombardi said in a statement.

In addition to the hesitancy of the three bishops to support fully Bishop Fellay's efforts, Father Lombardi said, Bishop Richard Williamson's public denials of the h0Ɩ0cαųst and anti-Semitic statements also would require discussions separate from those of reconciliation with the SSPX as a whole.

And here we see again a dogma of the one world religion: thou shalt not question the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

I suppose since this has been raised to an article of the faith, which is the bar of determination for who is "in" the Church, we should expect a revised Credo soon from the USCCCP?

Cardinal Foxman must be pleased.

The "h0Ɩ0cαųst" is the replacement for the true sacrifice of the Cross. Nothing, not even if all 6 billion people in the world were sacrificed by the antichrist, could quench the thirst for the justice of sin in the world, except for the Precious Blood of Jesus, and His Adorable Body.

The Jєωs are trying to make the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" a "new crucifixion."

We read in the Chiesa Viva where the Freemasonic plan is laid out, how the Sign of the Cross will be outlawed. Will the replacement be some "sign of the h0Ɩ0cαųst" instead? The infamous "mark of the beast?"

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Chiesa-Viva-worth-reading


"Antipope conferred the greatest power to choose their successors. Order to all, under pain of excommunication, and as soon as possible, referral to "secular arm" to take the "mark of the Beast. " But, of course, do not call it that. The sign of Cross should not be done either on persons, or through them. It should not be blessed anymore. Making the sign of the cross must be considered (a) heinous act of idolatry and disobedience."