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Offline Guga

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« on: June 14, 2012, 10:18:16 AM »
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  • BISHOP FELLAY VISITS THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
    Vatican City, 14 June 2012 (VIS) - "On the afternoon of Wednesday 13 June, Cardinal William Levada, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and president of the Pontifical Commission 'Ecclesia Dei', met with Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the Society of St. Pius X who was accompanied by an assistant. Also present at the encounter were Archbishop Luis Ladaria S.J., secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and Msgr. Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission 'Ecclesia Dei'", according to a communique released today by the Holy See Press Office.
    "The purpose of the meeting was to present the Holy See's evaluation of the text submitted in April by the Society of St. Pius X in response to the Doctrinal Preamble which the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith had presented to the Society on 14 September 2011. The subsequent discussion offered an opportunity the provide the appropriate explanations and clarifications. For his part, Bishop Fellay illustrated the current situation of the Society of St. Pius X and promised to make his response known within a reasonable lapse of time.
    "Also during the meeting, a draft docuмent was submitted proposing a Personal Prelature as the most appropriate instrument for any future canonical recognition of the Society.
    "As was stated in the communique released on 16 May 2012, the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt with separately and singularly.
    "At the end of the meeting the hope was expressed that this additional opportunity for reflection would also contribute to reaching full communion between the Society of St. Pius X and the Apostolic See".

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    Offline Guga

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    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 10:31:50 AM »
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  • Vatican presents SSPX leader draft proposal for personal prelature


    Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, delivers a blessing during an early morning Mass at the society's headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland. (CNS/Paul Haring)

    By Carol Glatz
    Catholic News Service

    VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Vatican presented Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, its evaluation of the society's position on a series of doctrinal questions as well as a draft docuмent proposing the society become a personal prelature.

    "The ball is in the society's court" to accept the Vatican's response and clarifications made during a two-and-a-half hour meeting with Vatican officials in Rome June 13, said Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman.

    Bishop Fellay, who was accompanied by an assistant, met with U.S. Cardinal William Levada, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Luis Ladaria, congregation secretary, and Msgr. Guido Pozzo, secretary of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei."

    During the meeting, Bishop Fellay was given the Holy See's evaluation -- including the opinion of Pope Benedict XVI -- of the society's April response to a "doctrinal preamble" that the bishop would need to sign in order to reconcile the society with the rest of the church, the Vatican said in a written statement released June 14.

    "The subsequent discussion offered an opportunity to provide the appropriate explanations and clarifications" on both sides, it said. "Bishop Fellay illustrated the current situation" of the society and promised to give the Vatican a response "within a reasonable lapse of time," the statement said.

    Also, Bishop Fellay was given a draft docuмent "proposing a personal prelature as the most appropriate instrument for any future canonical recognition of the society," it said.

    A personal prelature is a church jurisdiction without geographical boundaries designed to carry out particular pastoral initiatives. It is headed by a prelate, who is appointed by the pope; currently the church's only personal prelature is Opus Dei.

    When asked whether giving Bishop Fellay a formal proposal of a prelature was a sign the Vatican had approved the bishop's response to the doctrinal preamble, Father Lombardi told journalists that all doctrinal differences had to be resolved before any formal recognition could be made.

    "However, evidently (the prelature proposal) was presented so that if the doctrinal issue is resolved, the canonical part is ready," he said.

    The discussion process is "still open," the Vatican spokesman said, but it seems the Vatican and the SSPX are "drawing closer to agreement in the formulation and presentation of the doctrinal questions" at hand.

    The Vatican statement said, "The hope was expressed that this additional opportunity for reflection would also contribute to reaching full communion between the Society of St. Pius X and the Apostolic See."

    Father Lombardi said the Vatican is showing its willingness and availability to reach an agreement, but that now it is up to Bishop Fellay to respond to the Vatican's position.

    The Vatican spokesman said the society would be holding its general chapter in July, which would be "an occasion for reflection and exchange" of ideas concerning its next step.

    The statement reiterated that the Vatican would be dealing with the society's three other bishops "separately and singularly," and Father Lombardi confirmed that only Bishop Fellay was actively engaged in discussions with the Vatican.

    While Bishop Fellay has been generally positive about the possibility of reconciliation with Rome, leaked letters show that the society's three other bishops have had strong objections to such a move.

    Pope Benedict's recent efforts to bring about reconciliation with the traditionalist group began when he lifted the excommunications incurred by Bishop Fellay and the three other SSPX bishops after they were ordained without papal permission. The pope also established a Vatican committee for doctrinal talks with society representatives in 2009. In September, the Vatican gave Bishop Fellay the "doctrinal preamble" to explain the "minimal, essential" elements on which the society would have to agree for full reconciliation, Father Lombardi had said.

    When the Vatican's doctrinal discussions with the society began in 2009, both sides said the key issues to be discussed included the concept of tradition in general, as well as the Second Vatican Council's teaching on the liturgy, the unity of the church, ecuмenism, interreligious dialogue and religious freedom.

    The society's founder, the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who rejected some teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the modernizing reforms instituted in its wake, was excommunicated for ordaining Bishop Fellay and the three other bishops without papal permission in 1988.

    In April, Bishop Fellay submitted to the Vatican his second official response to the "doctrinal preamble" outlining what the Vatican said were "some doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine necessary to guarantee fidelity" to the formal teaching of the church, presumably including the teachings of the Second Vatican Council.

    The bishop's reply was studied by the cardinal-members of the doctrinal congregation and, ultimately, by Pope Benedict.

    The cardinals and the pope had said Bishop Fellay's first response, which was submitted in January, was "not sufficient to overcome the doctrinal problems that are at the basis of the fracture between the Holy See a



    http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1202500.htm


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    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 11:48:15 AM »
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  • I just got a call from a Society priest (17.30GMT, June 14th) saying that BF will make the necessary corrections to his response to the preamble in the next few days. He obviously wants the Personal Prelature in his hands before the General Chapter. I hope that this is just another rumour.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2012, 11:55:38 AM »
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  • The SSPX is carrying on Catholic tradition and the conciliar new church is not.  So, it's not like the SSPX should try to join the conciliarists since, theoretically, the SSPX is carrying on the traditions of the Catholic Church and could call itself the Catholic Church.  

    The conciliarists need to make amends, to return to the Catholic faith then they can reunite with the SSPX.

    Why is the SSPX viewing this as them reconciling with the modernists?  I know the modernists have "the pope" but do they have the Catholic Traditions?

    And why are all these preamble reconstructions so secret?  

    What demands are the modernists making of the SSPX?  That's the ultimate question.  

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    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 12:02:24 PM »
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  • from the article:
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    the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt with separately and singularly.



    Who is Fellay to allow this? NO! The situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt before ANYTHING is signed! And not only the three bishops, but first off, the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro De Mayor must be decalred null and void, BEFORE, any agreement is signed.

    A just man does not abandon his long time associates, and the patriarch like that, even in exchange for the whole world.

    This is a sign of a coward.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2012, 12:04:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    from the article:
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    the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt with separately and singularly.



    Who is Fellay to allow this? NO! The situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt before ANYTHING is signed! And not only the three bishops, but first off, the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro De Mayor must be decalred null and void, BEFORE, any agreement is signed.

    A just man does not abandon his long time associates, and the patriarch like that, even in exchange for the whole world.

    This is a sign of a coward.


    Bullies are usually cowards!

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    « Reply #6 on: June 14, 2012, 12:30:01 PM »
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  • "As was stated in the communique released on 16 May 2012, the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt separately and singularly."

    http://www.vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=f2191e02-f08f-abfc-95b5-4fd9cb5d1060&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1


    Vs.


    "In the course of the meeting, the matter of the situation of the three other bishops of the Society was not discussed."

    Menzingen, June 14, 2012.


     :facepalm:

    Is it just for me the italics, link, bold, etc., aren't working?  :confused1:
    Non Habemus Papam

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    « Reply #7 on: June 14, 2012, 12:45:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clint
    from the article:
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    the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt with separately and singularly.



    Who is Fellay to allow this? NO! The situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt before ANYTHING is signed! And not only the three bishops, but first off, the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro De Mayor must be decalred null and void, BEFORE, any agreement is signed.

    A just man does not abandon his long time associates, and the patriarch like that, even in exchange for the whole world.

    This is a sign of a coward.


    Well, it is apparent that this works to Bishop Fellay's advantage. Rome will "adjust" or dispose of his most credible resistance for him.  In the end Rome will likely cut away all of the resistors by means of ecclesial sanctions,
     leaving him untouched by the brutality of such acts.

    Look no further for the motives:

    " behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat"


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    « Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 12:47:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: AntiFellayism
    Is it just for me the italics, link, bold, etc., aren't working?  :confused1:


    YES  :wink:
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    « Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 01:38:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: AntiFellayism
    "As was stated in the communique released on 16 May 2012, the situation of the other three bishops of the Society of St. Pius X will be dealt separately and singularly."

    http://www.vis.va/vissolr/index.php?vi=all&dl=f2191e02-f08f-abfc-95b5-4fd9cb5d1060&dl_t=text/xml&dl_a=y&ul=1&ev=1


    Vs.


    "In the course of the meeting, the matter of the situation of the three other bishops of the Society was not discussed."

    Menzingen, June 14, 2012.


     :facepalm:

    Is it just for me the italics, link, bold, etc., aren't working?  :confused1:



    Good catch!!!!!!!!!
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