:dancing-banana:NEW, DOUBLE-SPEAK EXPLANATION OF SUPPLIED JURISDICTION
Is this logical? The following is a paraphrase.
"Jurisdiction is granted by the local (diocesan) bishop.
The local bishops fail in their duty to give sspx priests jurisdiction.
The sspx fails to return to tradition forcing the local bishops to deny jurisdiction.
The Church grants de facto, "supplied jurisdiction THROUGH THE LOCAL BISHOP" to the faithful who desire it."
Huh???
Sorry, not at liberty, yet, to give source of this info.
There is no credible theory which would support a Novus Ordo bishop, unknowingly and unwillingly, granting supplied jurisdiction to SSPX people.
Firstly, the local ordinary received and accepted his mission, his jurisdiction from the conciliarists in Rome, to which it belongs. He( the local ordinary) can only use that jurisdiction for that which it was given-- maintain the conciliar church in accordance with Roman wishes. Failing that-- he loses his office pronto. So he has no jurisdiction to even give the SSPX to authorize an SSPX bishop to ordain men, or to incardinate any SSPX priests into his diocese-- because Rome has spoken. You will recall that Fellay moved ordinations out of Germany into Switzerland specifically because the Ordinaries forbade them to take place!
And what Rome has said, publicly and loudly, is that , while the punishment of excommunication was lifted by the benevolence of Ratzinger, the effect has not been lifted because the SSPX is in schism. Therefore, as DeNoia and Muller have emphasized (as well as Abe Foxman and all the other rabbis running Rome): The SSPX bishops have no standing in the church; they have no function or mission. Because Fellay and his crew lied to Ratzinger and his crew, and made them all think they had snookered all the SSPX faithful into crawling back into Rome, Ratzinger agreed to "lift" the excommunications (which, they maintain,were still valid and deserved), only as a sign of good will. Since Fellay has now more than demonstrated his evil will "That man (Ratzinger) tricked me!", there's not likely many bishops are going to stick their ecclesiastical collar on the line for Fellay and Pflugger.
So, the so-called supplied jurisdiction does not and cannot come through the ordinary. And, absent another secret, sneaky deal with Fellay, Krah and Co., it won't come any time soon through rabbi berg, either. The SSPX' perennial position, with respect to confessions (properly, absolutions of sins),held within a ordinary's diocese without faculties--is that "common error" of the faithful allowed the "priest" to hear the confession of a penitent who was ill informed and "assumed" the priest had faculties. So all the SSPX faithful standing in lines outside the confessionals are, in the priests' minds, mistaken and uninformed.
This is important because, unlike the power to consecrate the bread and wine, which specifically resides now in the character of the true priest; the power to forgive sins, in the place of Almighty God, comes from Saint Peter and the Apostles, through the generations to the true pope and his bishops, who must give the faculty to a priest in his dominion. Otherwise, what the priest says is just so much hot air. It's not much different than a protestant minister declaring,"Sure, I forgive you your sins!"
Remember, this entire discussion is predicated on the fat that, for Fellay and Co.-- and therefore for all the SSPX, there is no state of emergency. Look at Fellay's AFD (April 2012) to Ratzinger, and his accompanying letter of promises and fidelity. The state of emergency, for the SSPX is over! They have accepted the Vatican Council, they have accepted the popes of the Council, they have accepted the Novus Ordo Mass, the new catechism, the new code of Canon Law, and all the other bologna from the VC. All they reserved to themselves is the right to "discuss" certain aspects of the changes from the council.
So, as it stands right now-- the SSPX is in open rebellion to the pope and to the Church-- to the pope they swore to honor, love and obey; and to the Church they proclaim to love.As Cardinal Mueller stated, there is nothing for the SSPX bishops to do but " turn themselves into a monastery and do penance for their disobedience and scandal"
Every passing day it becomes truer and truer what Father Karl Pulvermacher (RIP) {The First editor of the Angelus Magazine} predicted: "They (the Romans) will give us back the right to say the True Mass only when there will be no more true priests to offer it!" Pretty perceptive of him!
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