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Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
« on: March 08, 2025, 12:16:00 PM »
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  • It just hit me. It's so obvious, so clear, but no one ever mentions this.

    I've often talked about how finding a validly ordained priest is important, but it's not the only thing.

    Well, here's the drop-dead killer argument: how many souls lost the Faith after decades of Vatican II and its Conciliar Church? How many lost belief in important dogmas, gave up countless Catholic practices, and became de-facto protestant in their thinking, beliefs, morals, and habits? What men pushed this agenda upon the Catholic laity?

    VALID PRIESTS.

    How many priests were valid, at the close of Vatican II? ALL OF THEM.
    Who pushed the New Mass and the New Conciliar Religion upon the majority of Catholics? Valid priests!

    Even if the New Rite of Ordination were 100% invalid, it would take SOME TIME for those invalid priests to work their way into the Conciliar parishes and join their VALIDLY ORDAINED BRETHREN in the wide-scale destruction of Catholicism.

    Moral of the story: validity IS NOT EVERYTHING.  You could go to a valid priest, attend a valid Mass, and yet absorb so much modernism, bad example, bad teaching, and bad milieu that you end up losing the Faith and all Catholic sense. BEWARE.
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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #1 on: March 08, 2025, 12:44:47 PM »
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  • Validity isn’t everything. A black Mass if officiated by a valid priest is valid. It doesn't mean Catholics should partake!


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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #2 on: March 08, 2025, 01:26:09 PM »
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  • Martin Luther was a valid priest with valid Masses (like all sneaky heretics, his early liturgical changes did not affect validity).

    Very few heresies and schisms have originated in the laity.
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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #3 on: March 08, 2025, 02:12:07 PM »
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  • Valid clergy were saying the Latin Mass right up to, during and right after Vatican II, therefore the Latin Mass is not going to "fix everything" as some seem to think.

    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle

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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #4 on: March 08, 2025, 02:59:57 PM »
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  • Word, Form and matter.  Intention.  Valid rite, but one must be in sanctifying grace to receive any sacrament.  


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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2025, 07:03:35 PM »
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  • It just hit me. It's so obvious, so clear, but no one ever mentions this.

    I've often talked about how finding a validly ordained priest is important, but it's not the only thing.

    Well, here's the drop-dead killer argument: how many souls lost the Faith after decades of Vatican II and its Conciliar Church? How many lost belief in important dogmas, gave up countless Catholic practices, and became de-facto protestant in their thinking, beliefs, morals, and habits? What men pushed this agenda upon the Catholic laity?

    VALID PRIESTS.

    How many priests were valid, at the close of Vatican II? ALL OF THEM.
    Who pushed the New Mass and the New Conciliar Religion upon the majority of Catholics? Valid priests!

    Even if the New Rite of Ordination were 100% invalid, it would take SOME TIME for those invalid priests to work their way into the Conciliar parishes and join their VALIDLY ORDAINED BRETHREN in the wide-scale destruction of Catholicism.

    Moral of the story: validity IS NOT EVERYTHING.  You could go to a valid priest, attend a valid Mass, and yet absorb so much modernism, bad example, bad teaching, and bad milieu that you end up losing the Faith and all Catholic sense. BEWARE.
    Absolutely.
    Michael Davies made the point that it was not the out-and-out modernists who were predominantly responsible for the collapse of the Church after Vatican II -the faithful would never have followed them- but the good parish priests who had the confidence of their flock, who advised them to 'stay with the Holy Father' and follow the gradual changes.
    We need to know ourselves and we need to know our priests, and we need to know the fight that we are in. More than ever, Catholics need to read and educate themselves about the Faith and the Revolution.
    We also need to be careful of the other extreme of becoming 'home aloners' just because no group or priest shares all our opinions on every detail of the crisis. That is a trap that has also shipwrecked many souls.

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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #6 on: March 09, 2025, 01:00:16 AM »
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  • Valid clergy were saying the Latin Mass right up to, during and right after Vatican II, therefore the Latin Mass is not going to "fix everything" as some seem to think.
    Nailed it.
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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #7 on: March 09, 2025, 08:36:58 AM »
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  • Well, all those priests who went along with VII, didn't have internet back then plus the vague language of the modernists has taken decades to sift through. 
    Most priests probably hadn't even heard of Archbishop Lefebrve.
    It even took an expert in canon law like Fr Hesse years to come around. 
    It's similar in some respects to the Moon landing and other hoaxes like the Shoahbusiness. 
    Because man has naturally been endowed with an obedience to hierarchy/authority whatever it decrees
    as reality is assumed to be fact. Most men lack the natural curiosity, discernment or have a thirst for truth to
    question what is spoonfed to them.  
    The average person sincerely trusts that the government is essentially a benevolent thing looking out
    for its best interests, even though nearly 100% of the time it's operating against their interests and well being.
    Sometimes I will see older gentlemen wearing a hat indicating they are a proud Veteran of some war another
    the empire waged for the banksters. If you were to question one of these men about the origins of the war they
    fought in they would likely only be able to provide very superficial and nonsensical answers, defaulting to 
    platitudes about "defending your freedom"
    I often wonder how nearly half the population can look at someone as loathsome like Kamala hαɾɾιs and not
    have a visceral reaction of disgust. Instead they see someone funny, sincere, and competent. 
    It's nice to believe priests or policemen or soldiers are different from the rest of us, have a higher standard of
    ethics or more courage...NOPE. 
    Broad is the path of destruction for everyone, regardless of their vocation.




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    Re: Valid priests destroyed millions of souls post-Vatican II
    « Reply #8 on: March 09, 2025, 07:13:57 PM »
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  • Now we have to worry about what seem to be lukewarm priests who are just as wearied and struggling as many faithful. Bp. Williamson taught the seminarians that basically the priests need to be at least one if not several steps ahead of the faithful in sanctity if the faithful are to turn out well. 

    Let us pray all the more for our priests and make sure we are easing their burden by being better examples of Catholics, and not having to confess the same old sins every time.
    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"