Quote from: nadieimportante

The color of their skin means nothing. If you are 100% white Norwegian homeless drunkard, and I'm a blue black man from Nigeria worth millions, who is superior?

Who would you rather be the father of your grandchildren?

Not much of a choice, two evils. They are not Catholic.

My duty is to save my daughters souls, to that end:

The man must be a real Catholic, ideally from a family with a Catholic tradition(no converts with non-Catholic family members), from the same social status, class as my family, and a good man, with a entrpreneurial spirit.

If they don't possess these qualities, I will not let them even get close.

...from the same social status...class as my family...

If they don't possess these qualities, I will not let them even get close.

If you will not even let someone of a different class get close, then what's wrong with those who don't want people of a different getting close?

That's what a coward would say, people who give up even before the fight has started. . However, the reality is that it is totally up to me.

St. Thomas Aquinas (not that you respect his opinion):

 The maid is in her father's power, not as a female slave without power over her own body, but as a daughter, for the purpose of education. Hence, in so far as she is free, she can give herself into another's power without her father's consent, even as a son or daughter, since they are free, may enter religion without their parent's consent.

Not your decision.

You are not married, nor have any children, nor have the years of experience I have in the tactics of men. And judging by your comment above, I doubt that you have the resolve that I have.

I see, so you think you will manipulate, by hook or by crook, and get your way.

I think you might find yourself unpleasantly surprised if you adopt such an attitude.

When I say "they will not let them even get close", I mean it. The process of seducing someone takes time, my daughters are being raised to grow up and pass/keep the faith in the family, and to save their souls. We are likely the only ones left of our greater family that will pass on the faith (unless some others return to the faith). This is no game, this is a war for eternal life.

My ways are not your ways, so you will never understand.  

Oh I understand the control freakery.

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That's what a coward would say, people who give up even before the fight has started. . However, the reality is that it is totally up to me.

St. Thomas Aquinas (not that you respect his opinion):

 The maid is in her father's power, not as a female slave without power over her own body, but as a daughter, for the purpose of education. Hence, in so far as she is free, she can give herself into another's power without her father's consent, even as a son or daughter, since they are free, may enter religion without their parent's consent.

Not your decision.

LOL.

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You are not married, nor have any children, nor have the years of experience I have in the tactics of men. And judging by your comment above, I doubt that you have the resolve that I have.

I see, so you think you will manipulate, by hook or by crook, and get your way.

I think you might find yourself unpleasantly surprised if you adopt such an attitude.

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When I say "they will not let them even get close", I mean it. The process of seducing someone takes time, my daughters are being raised to grow up and pass/keep the faith in the family, and to save their souls. We are likely the only ones left of our greater family that will pass on the faith (unless some others return to the faith). This is no game, this is a war for eternal life.

My ways are not your ways, so you will never understand.  

Oh I understand the control freakery.

You see, you don't understand. Your mind has been effeminetized and you don't know it. You've given up before the fight has even begun (and you even look for justification for your laziness in missapplying St. Thomas). I'm the patriarch, the guardian of my childrens souls, I'm the shepherd that gives up his life for his sheep. You will never understand, because we are so different.

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...from the same social status...class as my family...

If they don't possess these qualities, I will not let them even get close.

If you will not even let someone of a different class get close, then what's wrong with those who don't want people of a different getting close?

That appears incomplete please explain further.

That was supposed to say 'of a different race'.

Nadieimportante said:  

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When I say "I will not let them even get close", I mean it. The process of seducing someone takes time, if one is alert, they can see it all, and stop it from the get go. I could spot you eyeing my daughters in an instant. and I'd come right over to you tell you to drop it. Usually that is all that's needed.


My daughters are being raised to grow up and pass/keep the faith in the family, and to save their souls. We are likely the only ones left of our greater family that will pass on the faith (unless some others return to the faith). This is no game, this is a war for eternal life.

It's like the devil sent you to say EXACTLY what will most rile Tele up, like you're a caricature of the Latin machismo he feels he experienced before.

You were Hugh Hefner before marriage, then converted very late, and yet you won't let your daughter marry a convert?  Hypocritical much?  Just a few days ago you were saying that guys HAD to let girls sow their wild oats before swooping in and catching them.  But of course, that means all other girls except your daughters, right?  It's not a surprise that when it comes to your own daughters you are extremely overprotective, probably because you think all guys think like you used to ( and maybe still do ).  This is a classic mistake.

You and Tele are almost two peas in a pod.  Both full of contradictions, driven by irrational prejudices.  I can imagine you going around and around in circles forever.

If the girl is over 18 you really have no choice.  Your attitude is the kind that drives young girls out of the Church.  Ease up on the reins and trust the teaching of the Church and their love of God to guide them.

Wise up, and learn from experience. Your analysis of me is totally wrong. If you just saw me once, you'd have a different picture. You are too quick to judge, and you base it on your small circle of experience, two big mistakes.

You teach children from the time they are born, if you have not done that, then you are right, there's nothing you can do when they're 18. The children have the example of their parents for like 15 years, and that's where they develop the armor to protect themselves, and if it's done right, they will listen to your adivice till the day that they/you die, because they have learned from experience that the parent know. They have learned that it's better to learn of others errors, than to learn from their own experience the same errors. My grandfather lived to be almost 101, and he worked till the day he died. He was the patriarch and his sons, and grandson consulted him and listened (unforetunately the Faith was not an important element of the teaching, however, the golden rule was).

In my life's experiences and travels I have learned that there are few men who learn from experience, and change their ways, very few. I'm one that changes when something better is shown to me. I made a 180 degree change in my life. The coal miners lungs will always be black even after he leaves the mines and gets a job elsewhere. I didn't know better for my first 39 years, but when the truth was shown to me, I abandoned my past and changed my life. The past is real, I can't erase it. But all that matters now is the present and the future.

Learn from experience and change what is not right. Don't become set in your erroneous ways..

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Quote from: nadieimportante

...from the same social status...class as my family...

If they don't possess these qualities, I will not let them even get close.

If you will not even let someone of a different class get close, then what's wrong with those who don't want people of a different getting close?

That appears incomplete please explain further.

That was supposed to say 'of a different race'.

Oh, OK. I don't have much time now to do your question justice, so I'll just post a quote I made earlier. Later I may start thread on the subject of race vs class:

Quote from: Sigismund

Nadie,

I understand why you objected to being characterized as a racist in the exchange you described.  It was silly of the principal to do so.  Are you saying that there is nothing that can be accurately described as racism out there.  If I hate you because you are Latino, or black, or white or Asian or whatever, why isn't that racist?  

I just would steer clear of calling a Catholic, a racist.  Give them the benefit of the doubt. Don't jump to conclusions.

A kind of analogous technique that I use when people get violent with me (face to face), is to act as if I don't understand what they are doing, usually, they will just leave me alone since they see that I'm not scared at all. But if they are really intent on harming me, and anyone is watching, after hearing me be verbally abused for so long, the witnesses will testify that they would have acted the same way as I (break a broom over their head), LONG before I did. Actually in 30 years of using this technique the result has always been that "they will just leave me alone since they see that I'm not scared at all", so don't conclude that I'm some bar room brawler.

Give them every opportunity to explain themselves, ask them all manner of questions. If you finally conclude that they really are racist, by that time "the witnesses will testify that they would have concluded the same way LONG before you did".

The biggest source of a mis-diagnoses of racism in Americans is that they don't know how to differentiate class difference from racial difference. It is the biggest sources of error. Scarcely any Americans realize this. Class difference is the source of "discomfort?" (nothing in common?) between people, not race. A upper class white baptist would be more at home with an upper class Latino, than he would be with a lower class white baptist. The worst scenario of "discomfort"  would be  the combination of an upper class white baptist with a lower class Latino, and similarly an upper class Latino, with a lower class white baptist. The "discomfort" is mutual between upper and lower classes. The lower class Latino does not feel comfortable around upper class Latinos, just like a lower class white baptist would not feel "at home" with an upper class white baptist.