Author Topic: USA Hispanics from the SSPX (Read 27372 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #105 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:42:26 PM »

People's national existence doesn't go away if they aren't Catholic. For example, France is not a Catholic state. It still exists. People still identify with it. But it's totally non-Catholic. But America having Protestant roots is used as an excuse to delegitimize its national identity.

That's a typical French ploy - whenever they feel inferior they start whining about the American lack of culture, etc.

My experience of French people has been uniformly bad, and I'm convinced it's because they are at once cynical, conceited, and cowardly.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #106 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:48:41 PM »

I used to blame wasps for the problems with American Catholics too, but I honestly can't anymore.

It's been a long long time since the Klan would burn crosses near Catholic neighborhoods.

The collapse of Catholicism everywhere has to be blamed on Catholics. And their submission to propaganda.

roscoe · « **Reply #107 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:50:20 PM »

I don't know about the first 2 but cowardly is not how I would describe the French.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #108 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:53:40 PM »

Just wait to see who converts to the faith, America or France. You have millenia of prophecies that will provide you with the answer.

True, France can reject the faith, it has done it before, and at the end of time, it along with everyone else will probably do it again. But the roots are still deep.

What is the national identity of America? Some WASPs and Masons enforced their will on everyone else through craft and skulduggery and that's supposed to mean something that I as a Catholic should hang my hat on? Sorry, no. This country had indigenous peoples long before they got here, and then those indigenous peoples were partly converted by the European Catholics. These Catholics did not try to impose some kind of sorry, fantastical myth on the Indians, they simply brought them the truth. You sound very susceptible to English and American imperial fantasies, as Pere says, like you are blaring Elgar all day or something.

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I have my suspicions as to why. Tell me, have you really considered the absurdity yet of aligning yourself against almost every Catholic ethnicity on the face of the earth and siding with United-Statesian White Nationalists ?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #109 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:54:01 PM »

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I don't know about the first 2 but cowardly is not how I would describe the French.

You don't think the Reign of Terror was cowardly?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #110 on:** January 21, 2012, 09:58:06 PM »

Telesphorus said:

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The collapse of Catholicism everywhere has to be blamed on Catholics. And their submission to propaganda.

No argument from me but... Weren't you just exalting American Catholics and saying that they gave the nation a unique identity?

Yes, of course the Catholics are susceptible to propaganda -- Americanist and anti-European propaganda, for one thing, which you seem pretty close to embracing here.

You appear to be trying to blend the American Catholics with the WASPs with the common denominator being a certain percentage of European blood and saying this is the core identity of America... Or am I mistaken?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #111 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:11:19 PM »

People have national identities as well as religious identities, and for that reason you have people calling American Catholics "wasps" as though they aren't Catholic, while they exult Mexico and France as somehow being wonderfully Catholic places, when that hasn't been the case for a very long time.

roscoe · « **Reply #112 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:19:11 PM »

I don/t know of anywhere that is a 'wonderfully Catholic place' today.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #113 on:** January 21, 2012, 10:21:46 PM »

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I don/t know of anywhere that is a 'wonderfully Catholic place' today.

That's right, but you hear all these criticisms of various nationalities that's based supposedly on their not having Catholic traditions. Well what about the nationalities with Catholic traditions? I'm not seeing authentic preservation occurring.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #114 on:** January 21, 2012, 11:34:23 PM »

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It's just idiocy to deny the existence of an American nationality, to claim that a people with a significant Amerind admixture are more European than the white American nationality, etc. (I'm not saying there aren't plenty of white people in Argentina, never did. It is clear though that what is considered "white" varies in Latin America a great deal. Of course, that's because being lighter is prized in Latin America, but hated among yankees. Kind of makes you scratch your head a bit as to the motivation for the yankee hating.

What's your obsession with this white % obsession? I judge a man by what he makes of himself. You are Irish German, so PreJoseph said, well I have tons of Irish German people living in my state who are first generation upright savages, toughless at 30, rednecks, they're everywhere today. Go to any Walmart and see them, it's no small minority. What does their "white %" mean?

The world that I live in judges a man's superiority by their achievements (the order has no significance):

How much money they make, have.
How many toys they own, like house, cars, yacht etc. (not mortgaged or financed))
How cultured they are (refined, educated, class)
How happy they truly are.
How many true friends they have
How beautiful their wife is in looks, or inside, or both.
How strong they are, their fighting ability.
Their athletic, musical abilities.
& many other traits

The color of their skin means nothing. If you are 100% white Norwegian homeless drunkard, and I'm a blue black man from Nigeria worth millions, who is superior?

To a Catholic, the number one would be who is living a life according to God's will. Who saves their soul in the end, is all that makes one superior, for you can't take any of the above things that make one superior in this world. what good does allthat "American white" do all those "superior" people in America? They are practically all going to hell.

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Maybe people raised in California just aren't aware of the existence of the default American nationality. Most amusingly they refer to their fellow Catholics as "WASPs" or as "Americanists" - denying that they are real Catholics. It's the influence of irrational post-68 hysteria and extremism.

To you all the people in California are the same.

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As for the French, what I've come to notice they commonly possess a combination of stupidity, pride, and a complex of inferiority, which tends to manifest in vicious cowardly behavior.

To you all the French are the same.

By the way,how exactly does French man you've come to notice commonly possess a combination of pride and inferiority complex? In my world those are opposed traits.

So far, to you all Argentines, Americans (except Californians, so far), French, Latin Americans, Indians, and _______ people commonly possess a combination of traits that you've noticed in whomever you disagrees with you.

You need to get out of this ghetto you've created in your mind.

roscoe · « **Reply #115 on:** January 22, 2012, 12:31:18 AM »

' I'm 6' 2 weigh 210-- long hair, pretty fair skin......'

Love Man-- Otis Redding

nadieimportante · « **Reply #116 on:** January 22, 2012, 12:36:52 AM »

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You are Irish German, so PreJoseph said, well I have tons of Irish German people living in my state who are first generation upright savages, toughless at 30, rednecks, they're everywhere today.

Correction: Should say toothless

Raoul76 · « **Reply #117 on:** January 22, 2012, 02:24:36 AM »

nadieimportante said:

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The world that I live in judges a man's superiority by their achievements (the order has no significance):

How much money they make, have.
How many toys they own, like house, cars, yacht etc. (not mortgaged or financed))

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The color of their skin means nothing. If you are 100% white Norwegian homeless drunkard, and I'm a blue black man from Nigeria worth millions, who is superior?

He who loves the world hates me, ring any bells?

If a fiction writer came on this site trying to play the part of a Latin macho to irritate Tele, he couldn't have it done it any better, lol.

s2srea · « **Reply #118 on:** January 22, 2012, 11:25:27 AM »

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Maybe people raised in California just aren't aware of the existence of the default American nationality. Most amusingly they refer to their fellow Catholics as "WASPs" or as "Americanists" - denying that they are real Catholics. It's the influence of irrational post-68 hysteria and extremism.

If my serving in the u s military wasn't proof enough that I was aware of the existence of the default US (what you call 'American') nationality, I don't know what would. It'smost likely that nothing would suffice for you since you show yourself to be regularly illogical when you start emoting and feel like you're backed into a corner on certain issues. Yes, I imagine you've been filled with a great sense of Americanism from your immediate family, for which I do not blame you. I am open to being wrong, but this is the impression i get. I don't know how being from California would even be relevant to this.... just more proof of your illogical, and likely emotion driven, conclusions.

And in no way am I justifiyng my joining the military as noble nor would I council anyone to join knowing what I know now.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #119 on:** January 22, 2012, 12:18:20 PM »

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If my serving in the u s military wasn't proof enough that I was aware of the existence of the default US (what you call 'American') nationality, I don't know what would. It'smost likely that nothing would suffice for you since you show yourself to be regularly illogical when you start emoting and feel like you're backed into a corner on certain issues.

lol. So what is the default American nationality then? Do you recognize it? Let me give you a hint: It's not Mexican.

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Yes, I imagine you've been filled with a great sense of Americanism from your immediate family, for which I do not blame you.

No, not really. I would say though, that it's obvious that some people can't handle the fact that they aren't white Americans, that they aren't of the American nationality, so they want to deny that there is such a nationality. As for myself I don't really identify with the American nationality so much. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it is a white European ethnic group.

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I am open to being wrong, but this is the impression i get. I don't know how being from California would even be relevant to this.... just more proof of your illogical, and likely emotion driven, conclusions.

Who is really the one who is emoting here?

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And in no way am I justifiyng my joining the military as noble nor would I council anyone to join knowing what I know now.

You know I could join the French Foreign Legion, it wouldn't make me French. Nor do I intend to do so, or counsel anyone to join. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about belonging to the US military. That you're patriotic? Or familiar with the American national ethnicity? I would say that people in California are more used to the modern Babel than they are to living within a society that is constituted by the white American ethnicity.

As for Nadie's claim that I'm obsessed with whiteness, I think that's nonsense of course. I do think Latin Americans do form a hierarchy of caste where whites are on type. Take a man like Vincente Fox, for example. I think Latin women like white men the same way asian girls do. Malinchism? Is that what it's called? I notice that many Latin Americans emphasize their Spanish heritage to the expense of their indigenous heritage, not that that's wrong, that's just the way they are.