Tele, I know you cannot resist answering this, so you might as well just take me off ignore.
Exterminate ? No.
They caused massive deaths.
Since causing massive deaths of combatants in war is rarely considered "extermination," I assume you are referring to smallpox, for which, obviously, the Spaniards cannot be held accountable. There are quite a few nasty things, of course, such as having black slaves dive for pearls thirty to fifty feet underwater in the sea, causing many to drown, or else overworking Indian slaves in the silver and gold mines of the Andes, &c.
But I think the point of bringing this up on your part is to show some sort of equivalency between English and Spanish treatment of Indians. The differences are profound and simple. In Spanish colonies, Indians were given the Faith and often had a pretty good chance of having a good life, though the Spanish were rather ceaseless in their pressure towards Renaissance-style sedentarism. In the English colonies, Indians were considered sub-human and there actually were real efforts of extermination of the "savages."
You didn't answer the other questions, though, such as whether or not you have a problem with people who have Indian bloodlines
I don't have a problem with them, but I don't consider them to be Europeans.
How mixed do they have to be before they don't count as Europeans ? How unmixed until they count as Europeans ?
Whether they are white or not would depend on their ancestry being predominantly European, wouldn't it?
I won't give credence to the arbitrary term "white," which you have in no way defended as being accurate in any consistent and/or scientific way. If somebody is 51% European and 49% Algonquian, are they European ? What about 60/40 ? 80/20 ? At what point is somebody considered "white," and which races are considered "white" and which ones aren't ?
I have my suspicions as to why. Tell me, have you really considered the absurdity yet of aligning yourself against almost every Catholic ethnicity on the face of the earth
That is another stupid statement.
Well, you don't like Frenchmen and, therefore, probably would hate Frenchwomen, too, since we all tend to like each other pretty well. And you said some deprecating things about Nadie's ethnicity, who is Cuban, and it seems like you tend to dislike all Romance-speaking peoples. Therefore, it seems like you nourish a personal distaste for... the majority of all Catholics who have ever lived. You tend to think that our general non-acceptance of "white this," "non-white that" WASP rhetoric is the result of stupidity or stubbornness, as if we are denying an obvious reality and are placing ourselves categorically outside the fight for "civilization" because we are either too dumb or too dishonest to participate. At least, that is how it seems.
How to align myself against Catholic nations by saying that the US is culturally and historically a white European nation?
You seem to have trouble comprehending statements in the context of the sentences surrounding them. I am saying that you align yourself against Catholic nations by your dislike for Romance-speaking people and our cultures and customs and general attitudes.
It's only someone who is completely lacking in objectivity who denies that.
Why do you feel the need to take things to a personal level and make unreasonable exaggerations ?
As I've said before, you deny the identity and the existence of an American nationality...
From the standpoint of international law ? No. From the standpoint of
ethnos, uh, yeah, you bet I do. That's because there is no such thing as any "American" people unless we are referring to English and Scotch-Irish people from the Thirteen Colonies and Appalachia. But, once again, the burden of proof is entirely on you.
...that is simply a result of being someone consumed with hatred for what you consider to be "anglo-protestant" America
Let me get this straight -- I deny that there is any coherent "American" ethnicity, which is proof of my hatred of it ? Or is my wish for Catholic people to advance at the expense of Anglo-Protestant people somehow evidence of non-Catholic pathologies ? I suppose I don't quite understand your accusation. Maybe you could make it again in a clearer way.
...and it's prairies that you wish desolation on.
I wish nothing but health to the glorious prairies of North America, trust me. How did you ever get any other impression ? I would truly be surprised if you could find me saying anything favourable regarding the destruction or harm of the prairies.
So recognizing white Americans as an ethnicity and really the core of the American nationality is "aligning with white Americans against every Catholic ethnicity."
Now it seems like you're just being disingenuous. You know that's not how the issue was framed. In any case, "white Americans" are not an ethnicity, at least not really, since "white" is an arbitrary and silly term that means nothing. If that is the name you want to give for people who identify with Anglo-Germanic Protestant culture, "white," I guess that's fine, but I still maintain that the descriptor is in no way helpful.
That is of course an absurd remark, but I suppose it's natural from someone who is mentally ill.
Now you're just engaging in pharisaical hypocrisy, at least, I find this behaviour of yours surprising, coming from somebody who so frequently goes on and on about being the victim of slander and calumny. The words you put in my mouth cannot be evidence of mental illness, but then... you knew that. I suppose it is only charitable to assume that you are not being sincere, in which case you are merely acting like a childish buffoon.
There's no arguing with a lunatic.
You really need to grow up. The truth is that apparently there's no arguing with somebody who is unable to follow an argument from premise to conclusion. I have been calm and consistent, dealing with the issue using nothing but facts and history; you have not justified any of your central claims, have liberally dealt out insults, and have answered no question addressed to you.
You mean when they show their inept reasoning?
No, I mean when they disagree with you, somebody who habitually comes to conclusions in anger and cannot swallow his pride and back down on his rash theories in the face of those who have rival theories they arrived at through sober reflection and experience. And, just for the sake of the dispute, I would like to clarify that I am not including myself in the latter group.
I would say nearly all of them have agreed with me at some point or another, it's only when it comes to topics they can't handle that they start raving.
You have it as backwards as possible.
And believe me, you are a raving lunatic with your talk about all white English speaking American Catholics being somehow not really being Catholic - indeed you've said as much...
You don't think that people not living in an integrally Catholic culture and not having Catholic traditions and folk customs, speaking a language affected by centuries of Protestant usage, puts them at a disadvantage in comparison to those who have Catholic cultures, traditions, folk customs, and ready linguistic usages ? You don't think that centuries of Americanist ecclesiastical and political culture doesn't, in any way, obscure the richness of the ancient Faith ? If not, I guess we are just at an impasse. Regardless, it's no strange theory of mine. Just about any French Canadian Catholic worth his salt would agree. Then again, perhaps we are all mentally ill together -- an entire race of lunatics, having our unsoundness of mind pointed out by... a lone German-Irish Yankee from Ohio publicly known for having a wild temper... His method of demonstration ? Unsubstantiated accusation. Hmm. I like our odds.
Speaking of odds, I think the readers can decide for themselves who sounds more like a raving lunatic, you, in all your wrath, or me, in all my composition and
...you recognize the people you hate, even if you claim you don't recognize the existence of the American nationality.
I have a pretty flexible and nuanced view of the problem, thank you. You are right that I don't have very much fondness for Anglo-American culture, though, and none for its myths and cults.
That you're infected with judaized thinking...
Another thing you've not demonstrated in any way whatsoever.
...and French stupidity is unfortunate but evident.
I take any accusation of sharing in an alleged "French stupidity" as a badge of honour, especially coming from somebody like yourself.
Your posts are a symptom of hysteria.
Well, we will let the readers decide who they think is hysterical and who is not. Otherwise it's just my word against yours. I should add that you do seem to be pretty upset about this, though, especially considering that you, uh, still haven't given any warrants whatsoever for any of your central claims, therefore logically handing a landslide victory over to me, before you then resorted to a lengthy series of insults.
Tell me, if an "American" had his country taken over by us stupid French Canadians -- who you really do seem to despise (and I use that word in its literal sense, not in the silly hyperbolic way that is common to you and Man of the West) -- would you accuse him of being a hateful lunatic if he desired for his countrymen to, over time, naturally displace the foreign invaders and their culture ? There are many similar cases worldwide. I think you would hesitate before accusing an Armenian of being a hateful lunatic for wanting the Mohammedan Turks, Kurds, and Azerbaijanis to be displaced from the environs of lakes Urmia and Van (which they are destroying), which were anciently held by his forefathers. But, maybe I am wrong, and you would be consistent and treat him like he is evil, too. Maybe the only truly sane and charitable thing for him to do would be to want to protect Kurdish and Turkish and Azerbaijani culture, abandon those places completely forever, and hope that those three peoples convert... And maybe all the European Kings were full of hatred and lunacy, too, whenever they participated in rivalries between one another, rather than wishing for their competitors to efface their heritages utterly (which one was right ?). If that is what you think, well, obviously we disagree.
It's not baseless at all. Your obsessive hatred of the American ethnicity...
How can I hate something that doesn't exist ? If you are referring to the WASPs of the Thirteen Colonies and the Scoth-Irish of Appalachia, no, I do not hate them, but I don't like their thoroughly Protestant culture and heritage, it's true. I hate their political ideology, too.
...which is so great that you deny the Catholicity of white Americans...
You are using totally different definitions than me. Sorry, but I am not a member of your ideological club.
...is something you've borrowed from the Jєωιѕн propagandists.
Jєωιѕн propagandists have commented on the effects of Americanism and WASP culture on the richness and fullness and historicity of Catholicism in the US ? Where ? Did you read it ?
What you say about the US is part of the post-68 narrative.
Which part ? Prove it.
It shows that your thinking is defective and is heavily influenced by judaized leftism.
I don't think my thinking is either defective or influenced by judaised leftism. You should prove the connection between my thinking and judaised leftism (after you define your terms, of course), even if only for charity's sake.
Your posts could come out of any culturally leftist history.
Please show me how that is the case. As of now, it seems like you're just bluffing. I would truly be grateful if you could show me where I am indebted to culturally leftist history (rather than just plain history), so that I could then re-orient my thoughts to correct information.
You've synthesized Feeneyism and cultural marxism into a bizarre melange.
This is news to me. Firstly, I'm not even a "Feeneyite," since I await word from Rome on the matter, though I admit that I find "Feeneyite" arguments to be incredibly logical and convincing and I think they are very important. Secondly, how has the belief that there is only one form of baptism affected my thinking ? Or are you just grasping at straws ? Thirdly, I am not a cultural Marxist, nor have you proven that I am in even the slightest way. This makes your detection of both of these forces supposedly poisoning my mind even more remarkable, since you were able to detect them despite their having no presence.
There, I called your bluff. I doubt you can make good on it at all, since you clearly don't possess the intellectual acuмen and knowledge to actually back up your wild accusations, which are based, precisely, on a reactionary and emotive manner of thinking and a lack of study : "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." But, please, try. Maybe start with offering, oh, I don't know,
any proof whatsoever for
just one of your central claims.
Sure, you love America.
I do love America; it's my home and it's beautiful. I certainly do not love the United States government and its culture, however, if you thought I was conflating them with the land.
[Y]ou hate the United States and its people in a pathological way.
I don't hate people from the United States. I don't hate anybody. I don't like their culture and the US government and I want them, so long as they cannot give up these things, to leave the Mississippi Valley, but I don't hate them. Maybe you could try to prove that I and my fellow French Canadians who don't love some other culture and people more than our own actually do have a pathological and unhealthy hatred for
anglais; you should do that right after you prove the central claims of your "argument."
Something that could only come from French sense of inferiority nursed under the Jєωιѕн power that dominates the French.
Oh, yes, we French have a terrible inferiority complex regarding the glorious Anglo-Germanic peoples of the world. Thanks to the Jews who dominate us but in no way dominate the
anglais, whether politically and economically or intellectually and in the formation of their imaginations, we cannot help but be manipulated into an un-intellectual hatred deprived of an lucid understanding of facts and reality based on experience and study. The sense of inferiority probably comes from our jealousy of the great English accomplishments that we could only hope to equal, specifically in crafts, building, art, literature, cuisine, military history, discovery, inventions, natural science, philosophy, theology, prestige (in the ways that matter to us), and in missions. Or maybe it couldn't come from that, since we excel in all of those things. For some reason, despite actually having the advantage in all of those categories and only trailing behind in sailing, large scale imperial organisation, the love of money, and insular xenophobia, we still cannot help but think of ourselves as inferior, though. And the Jews are the ones who help this complex along. Is that your theory ? And that's why we chafe at the English bit so much, because we are jealous ? It has nothing to do with wanting to be liberated from the English thumb (which wrought so many crimes on us) and finally winning the contest between the Catholic French and the Protestant English once and for all ? Only an
anglais could ever believe something so wacky.
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