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USA Hispanics from the SSPX
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2012, 10:11:24 AM »
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Nadie answers: I was there with those "bad accent" English sermons, I said they were unintelligble.


Some priests need to speak better English, but by and large they can be understood.  Saying Australian priests can't be understood - I don't buy it.  Also, it's the responsiblity of older folks to get hearing aids.  

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If they are unintelligible, they can't be understood, just the same as Spanish to you. There is no difference unintelligible is unintelligble.


That's a ridiculous statement.  You have zero credibility in saying that.

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nadie responds: They do hear the sermon in English, so what are you complaining about? The sermon is done in English every Sunday, and then one one Sunday it is ALSO done in Spanish.


Another ridiculous statement, saying that every Sunday excludes 25% of Sundays.

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I don't get you. If the same thing was done to me in Syrian, I would not mind at all.


Like I've said before I wouldn't expect foreigners to have sermons in English for my benefit every fourth Sunday.  

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Tele wrote: people who live in the United States should be able to speak and understand English.

nadie responds: Boy I've heard this a million times in my life in Miami. Sorry, but it is totally Protestant, it's not Catholic. It is idiotic.


English in and of itself doesn't have a religious orientation.  The US may not be Catholic, but it does have a language.  Those who don't like the national language of Americans should keep to their own people and their own parishes.

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There are people who are uneducted, illiterate, hard headed, old etc, who have difficulty with foreign language. I dare say that Americans are the WORST at learning any foreign language, and yet they want ALL foreignors to speak English only? It's crazy.


I don't object to foreigners expecting me to speak their language in their lands.  It really is common sense.  People who cannot adapt to living here can remain in their ethnic communities and ethnic churches.

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Take educated Americans and move them to Poland and not one will learn Polish. Comparitively speaking it is amazing how an illiterate in Spanish ,Mexican peon, can come to the USA and learn English, which they ultimately do.


Polish is a very difficult language.  Anyway, that's beside the point.  I don't object to foreigners expecting people settling in their land to learn the language of that land.  The practicality of that, when so many foreigners already speak English, is a major reason that there is little motivation for Americans to learn.  There's nothing wrong in keeping a strong motivation for foreigners to learn the native language of the country they're settling in.

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A sermon in Spanish once a month or even every week if the congregation has enough non-English parishioners, is not big deal.


This is the United States.  If people the people want sermons in their national language, they have a legitimate reason to demonstrate a strong preference for it.  Certainly not to walk out of mass, but they have a strong justification for their preference.

USA Hispanics from the SSPX
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2012, 11:01:31 AM »
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It's more worthy of consideration than some rah-rah US nativist nonsense.  Either the US is a melting pot or it's a country for and by Anglo-Germanic people exclusively.


It's for the people who live here and who constitute the core ethnicity to determine who comes here.  That's a universal principle of self-determination.


Core ethnicity, eh ?  Which one is that ?  Where is the list of "universal principles" ?  Now you are beginning to sound like Woodrow Wilson.

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This is just another dumb comment.  Either it's this or that?  Who said?


Logical consistency said.

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It's the legitimate right of the people who have lived here, whose ancestors built the country to decide what they want and to act within their rights and power to that end.


Then I guess the Mexicans get to decide what language is spoken and the parasitic Anglophone United Statesians don't, since the Mexicans are the only thing close to the core ethnicity in Southern California and they built it, whereas the Yankees have contributed very little to the land and have actually, more or less, destroyed it.  Unless you think that a people need not have any bond whatsoever with the land they are living on, and that they can treat it as hostile and ruin it as much as they want and still claim it as their own, even if they are interlopers on it themselves, I don't see how you can really say that the English-speakers "built Southern California."  It looks more like rude exploitation to me.  Besides, the English-speakers are not a single ethnicity and therefore lose on that front.  And for the record, I dissent from your use of "rights" language and your implication that there are universal human rights of any kind.

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We all know what your response is going to that is going to be: everyone but Americans have rights.


Outside of their narrow strip of land, United-Statesians are part of an imperial venture.  In a struggle for solidification of a conquest, nobody gets to complain when their victims don't surrender.  That's how the game works.  Sorry if you were expecting the rules to apply to one side but not the other.  The US gained most of its current claimed land through aggression and invasive settlement; they therefore have no moral power to complain when others do the same back to them.  As for the Mexicans in California -- they're not even pursuing invasive settlement aggressively, they're simply re-settling in the lands of their ancestors, which currently are occupied by an imperial régime and its migrant industrial and agricultural workers and/or colonists.  They are committing no crime by not wishing to join the régime that invaded and partaking in the mentality and camaraderie and culture of the colonists.

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Very well, you ally yourself with the naked aggression of foreigners who have absolutely no respect for this country or its national sovereignty.


I ally myself with order and law being brought to North America; you are right, I do have no respect for the mythos of the United States and its propaganda narratives.  I respect it as being given legitimate authority in the places where it has been given authority, but I also think that God gave it this as a harsh punishment of the human race.  The Anglo-American Establishment of the past two hundred years has been the scourge of Christendom, the purifying fire of servitude and destruction. Being from one of the pre-imperial autochthonous peoples myself, I have nothing but sympathy for the Mexicans and encourage them to not let their children learn English if they can tough it out.

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In that sense you're right in lock-step with the Jews.


I am on the side of Christendom and against the destruction of morals, the spread of dissorder and falsehood, and the ruination of God's creation.  The United States and its associated English-speaking bureaucrats and colonists are a force for the destruction of morality, the destruction of order, the spread of falsehood, the spread of the love of riches, and the devastation of God's creation.  So, you tell me who advances the Jews' agenda better.  As far as what the Jews themselves think, it seems like very few of them would not count the US as their greatest ally and weapon.

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Of course, the bottom line is that you don't recognize anything American as having legitimacy...


What does that term mean if you really analyze it -- "American" ?  It seems to have about as much accuracy and meaning as "civilisation," that is to say, it is a corruption of language.  I don't share the ideology of those who use either word in the way you and Man of the West do, so you will have to be more precise.  If you think that I am going to cowtow to English nationalist myths, or English ideology, or the Enlightenment, or the public school propaganda of the US government, then you should think again.

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...that is simply hatred of America and a disregard for its rights, which is the default mode of PC leftists and those on the right who think it gives them some sort of credibility to bash America


Well, I can assure you that I am not intellectually indebted in any way to political correctness.  Likewise, I don't need to use and do not use political correctness to help my case.


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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2012, 11:19:49 AM »
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That's a ridiculous statement.  You have zero credibility in saying that.


Since he speaks Spanish, it seems like he has a lot of credibility in saying it.  

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English in and of itself doesn't have a religious orientation.


No, five hundred years of Protestant language and usage haven't affected it in the slightest ?

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The US may not be Catholic, but it does have a language.


So ?

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Those who don't like the national language of Americans should keep to their own people and their own parishes.


You sound like somebody who has been perfectly indoctrinated, repeating all of your mantras like "Americans" and "national" and "foreigner," and so forth.  You still have not given any reason to believe that the term "American" is a coherent, meaningful word outside of the devotion given to its cult.

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People who cannot adapt to living here can remain in their ethnic communities and ethnic churches.


The "here" in question is Southern California, which is full of Mexicans.  The SSPX is an international priestly fraternity.  It is ridiculous to expect them to bow before the blind prejudices of US company men at the expense of the souls of the Catholic faithful.

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Polish is a very difficult language.


Especially for an Américain, though.

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There's nothing wrong in keeping a strong motivation for foreigners to learn the native language of the country they're settling in.


The native language of Southern California is Spanish.  It's just ridiculous to pretend otherwise.  Outside of the narrow strip between the Appalachians and the Atlantic, the US has no "native" language.  You are treating the US like it is a real country just like all the others, but it simply isn't, no matter how many times the mantras are sung or how deep of a meditative state the United-Statesians go into in front of their idols (US flag, Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Statue of Liberty, etc.).  Reality is still there outside of the mantras and the mythoi and the cults.

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This is the United States.


Negotiable.  It depends on what one means.

USA Hispanics from the SSPX
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2012, 11:33:25 AM »
The 'Anglo' ( of which there really is No Such Thing) populations of the world( regardless of their physical location) are no different than the pagan v2 anti-church worshipping Mexicans of today. America belongs to neither of them.

USA Hispanics from the SSPX
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2012, 11:39:45 AM »
To be clear, I am referring to Prot 'Anglos'.