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Raoul76 · « **Reply #180 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:14:17 PM »

Not very convincing, Nadie.

Okay, so you aren't a convert but you were a bad Catholic who became presumably a good Catholic. It's kind of the same. I know someone like that who considers themselves a convert.

Anyway, it's irrational to make a blanket statement that you wouldn't let a convert marry your daughter, some of them may make better Catholics than you.

All my other points that you say are "straw men" aren't really straw men, you just don't have answers for them.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #181 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:17:48 PM »

St. Margaret of Cortona is said to have won many converts.

The term conversion does not apply to water baptism only.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #182 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:21:57 PM »

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All my other points that you say are "straw men" aren't really straw men, you just don't have answers for them.

The internet is a lousy vehicle for communicating what one is. If you saw me and I saw you, we would know more in one "view" than all the questions and answers that go back and forth here. So, I'll just leave it at that.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #183 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:30:44 PM »

Has anyone else noticed that Vox's flag first said "Sweden" and now it says "Canada"? Hmm...

Now it says the Netherlands, LOL. Who the heck is this person?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #184 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:30:54 PM »

nadieimportante said:

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The internet is a lousy vehicle for communicating what one is. If you saw me and I saw you, we would know more in one "view" than all the questions and answers that go back and forth here. So, I'll just leave it at that.

Is that a threat?

I know plenty from the Internet. I know you hold an irrational view about who your daughter should marry, that it is overly controlling and based on personal prejudice, not on Church teaching. I also know you are a Feeneyite which is wrong. Change it and move on.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #185 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:35:17 PM »

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nadieimportante said:
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The internet is a lousy vehicle for communicating what one is. If you saw me and I saw you, we would know more in one "view" than all the questions and answers that go back and forth here. So, I'll just leave it at that.

Is that a threat?

I know plenty from the Internet. I know you hold an irrational view about who your daughter should marry, that it is overly controlling and based on personal prejudice, not on Church teaching. I also know you are a Feeneyite which is wrong. Change it and move on.

Where do you see a threat in what I wrote?

clare · « **Reply #186 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:55:05 PM »

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Has anyone else noticed that Vox's flag first said "Sweden" and now it says "Canada"? Hmm...

Now it says the Netherlands, LOL. Who the heck is this person?

I am VoxClamantis, HEAR ME ROAR!

Germany now!

Caraffa · « **Reply #187 on:** January 23, 2012, 05:29:59 PM »

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Not very convincing, Nadie.

Okay, so you aren't a convert but you were a bad Catholic who became presumably a good Catholic. It's kind of the same. I know someone like that who considers themselves a convert.

Anyway, it's irrational to make a blanket statement that you wouldn't let a convert marry your daughter, some of them may make better Catholics than you.

I usually don't like the term "bad Catholic," the way that it is used today assumes that one can be habitual bad and yet remain Catholic, which is false. It should generally be replaced with either with ex-Catholic, lapsed Catholic, or faithless Catholic. Nadie may not be a "convert" but he is then a revert, and thus is no different than most converts.

Sigismund · « **Reply #188 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:58:03 PM »

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What a breathtakingly offensive comment.

Because black millionaires are supposedly good fathers and homeless Norwegian males who drink are inveterately bad and evil people? And because it's wrong to want one's grandchildren to look like oneself?

That's offensive? What is offensive is idea that the worth of fatherhood and heritable characteristics can be measured by money.

That was no one's point. It certainly was not mine. What i find offensive is that moral values are determined by color. We have had this argument before, to no purpose. I will do my best to stick to threads about Catholicism and leave arguing with racists to those with the stomach for it.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #189 on:** January 23, 2012, 08:32:52 PM »

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What i find offensive is that moral values are determined by color

I certainly never claimed that moral values are determined by one's color.

That certainly doesn't mean that one's racial heritage, or the racial heritage of one's descendants, should be a matter of indifference, no matter what politically correct persons may think.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #190 on:** January 24, 2012, 12:12:10 AM »

Caraffa said:

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I usually don't like the term "bad Catholic," the way that it is used today assumes that one can be habitual bad and yet remain Catholic, which is false. It should generally be replaced with either with ex-Catholic, lapsed Catholic, or faithless Catholic. Nadie may not be a "convert" but he is then a revert, and thus is no different than most converts.

Yeah, he would have to tell us, but it sounds likely that he didn't have a trace of the faith and that his Catholicism of the time was limited to being baptized. That is not being a bad Catholic, if you have apostasized you aren't Catholic.

In any case, I find it odd that he has established these restrictions against converts marrying his daughter, when cradle Catholics don't even take that attitude. It's HER decision, ultimately, of course, but I just believe his attitude is a bad one and one that increases the chances of making his daughter(s) rebellious. We all know about the overly strict father and / or husband whose wife cheats on him, his daughter runs away, etc. This is not just my personal theory, my priest gave a sermon about husbands who are too controlling with their wives and the fallout this causes.

It's the same in the Church, errors too far on the left OR right cause people to lose the faith. Since we live in the time of VII where most errors are on the left, people tend to swing too far in the other direction -- and I am convinced anti-Christ will be a far-right pseudo-Catholic rather than a far-left one like the VII crowd. People who are Jansenist types, like the Pharisees, tend to give people burdens that are greater than they can bear. God gives us our crosses, but extremists and letter-of-the-law types want to give themselves and others even more. It's extremely important to keep the proper balance in all things.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #191 on:** January 24, 2012, 12:19:36 AM »

I say this, by the way, as someone who has fought ever since becoming Catholic with my own tendencies towards Phariseeism, overemphasizing God's justice at the expense of His mercy, always tempted by far-right self-righteousness and black-and-white thinking.

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #192 on:** January 24, 2012, 12:38:16 AM »

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What a breathtakingly offensive comment.

Because black millionaires are supposedly good fathers and homeless Norwegian males who drink are inveterately bad and evil people? And because it's wrong to want one's grandchildren to look like oneself?

That's offensive? What is offensive is idea that the worth of fatherhood and heritable characteristics can be measured by money.

That was no one's point. It certainly was not mine. What i find offensive is that moral values are determined by color. We have had this argument before, to no purpose. I will do my best to stick to threads about Catholicism and leave arguing with racists to those with the stomach for it.

Oh, it's the "R" word again.

Maybe you're a racist?

nadieimportante · « **Reply #193 on:** January 24, 2012, 04:02:25 AM »

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Raoul76 said:
...We all know about the overly strict father and / or husband whose wife cheats on him, his daughter runs away, etc. This is not just my personal theory, my priest gave a sermon about husbands who are too controlling with their wives and the fallout this causes.

...People who are Jansenist types, like the Pharisees, tend to give people burdens that are greater than they can bear. God gives us our crosses, but extremists and letter-of-the-law types want to give themselves and others even more. It's extremely important to keep the proper balance in all things.

Meanwhile, you are not even married, and how old are you?

I can tell you that your observations, of this particualr situation are totally off. Which makes your entire thread another strawman. You are detracting here against my person, and in all charity, I will tell you that you should learn to refrain from going into personal defense/attack mode everytime you disagree with someone. You are obviously hurt by something in life that makes you act this way, and I noticed before that you do this all the time with others and yet they all have charitable refrained from attacking you the same way. I am doing the same.

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It's extremely important to keep the proper balance in all things.

This cliche is as old as time. The question is what is balance? The strawman rant that you wrote above is not an example of "balanced".

nadieimportante · « **Reply #194 on:** January 24, 2012, 04:14:11 AM »

Raoul76 said:

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...We all know about the overly strict father and / or husband whose wife cheats on him, his daughter runs away, etc. This is not just my personal theory, my priest gave a sermon about husbands who are too controlling with their wives and the fallout this causes....People who are Jansenist types, like the Pharisees, tend to give people burdens that are greater than they can bear. God gives us our crosses, but extremists and letter-of-the-law types want to give themselves and others even more. It's extremely important to keep the proper balance in all things

Meanwhile, you are not even married, you have no personal experience with the raising of children, nor with married life with a wife. And how old are you? Tell me?

I can tell you that your observations of this particualr situation (me and my family) that you are totally off. Which makes your entire thread another strawman. You are detracting here against my person, and in all charity, I will tell you that you should learn to refrain from going into personal defense/attack mode everytime you disagree with someone. You are obviously hurt by something in life that makes you act this way, and I noticed before that you do this all the time with others and yet they all have charitable refrained from attacking you the same way. I am doing the same.

Learn from your mistakes, and improve yourself, and move on.

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Raoul76 said:
It's extremely important to keep the proper balance in all things.

Indeed it is. This cliche is as old as time. The question is what is balance? The strawman rant that you wrote above is not an example of "balanced".