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Offline miserere nobis

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US superior of SSPX denies group is anti-Semitic
« on: November 13, 2012, 11:31:37 AM »
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  • CNS Article

    Nov-13-2012
    US superior of SSPX denies group is anti-Semitic

    By Cindy Wooden
    Catholic News Service

    VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The traditionalist Society of St. Pius X "completely rejects the false claim that it teaches or practices anti-Semitism, which is a racial hatred of the Jєωιѕн people whether on account of their ethnicity, culture or religious beliefs," said the society's U.S. district superior.

    Father Arnaud Rostand, the district superior, issued a statement to Catholic News Service Nov. 11 in response to comments by Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs, who said the Vatican's reconciliation talks with the SSPX did not signal the Vatican's willingness to accept priests or members who hold anti-Semitic positions.

    "Cardinal Koch's false charge of anti-Semitism within our religious congregation casts the SSPX in a negative light and at a very sensitive time for the entire church," Father Rostand said. "Furthermore, our legal counsel has suggested that His Eminence's accusation is tantamount to defamation, since it insinuates that our society is a racist organization."

    Cardinal Koch, who was addressing members of the commission that coordinates and promotes dialogue with Jєωιѕн groups, said many people involved in the dialogue -- and not just Jєωιѕн participants -- were worried that the Vatican's efforts to bring the SSPX back into full communion with the Catholic Church signaled a possible downplaying of the Second Vatican Council's declaration on relations with the Jєωs.

    The cardinal said Pope Benedict XVI had directed him to make it clear that the Catholic Church continues to hold to the docuмent's teachings: on the special spiritual bond between Judaism and Christianity; its rejection of claims that all Jєωs of Jesus' time and Jєωs today bear responsibility for Jesus' death; and its condemnation of any form of anti-Judaism or anti-Semitism.

    In late October, the SSPX announced it had ousted British Bishop Richard Williamson, one of the four bishops ordained by SSPX founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre without papal approval in 1988. Bishop Williamson, who opposed the reconciliation talks with the Vatican, has publicly denied the extent of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst of the Jєωs.

    In 2009, shortly after an interview with Bishop Williamson aired on television, the society's U.S. website (www.sspx.org) removed articles arguing that the "Jєωιѕн race brought upon themselves the curse that followed the crime of deicide," and that the "Jєωιѕн people, if it has not converted to Christianity, will, even if it does not wish to, seek to ruin Christianity."

    In his statement to CNS, Father Rostand said hopes that the Jєωs would convert "to the one true faith are motivated by supernatural charity, not hatred."

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    « Reply #1 on: November 13, 2012, 12:04:27 PM »
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  • A Roman Catholic would have told them His Excellency Bishop Williamson was correct in his statement regarding the Jєωs and their so-called 'h0Ɩ0cαųst'.

    A Roman Catholic would have further told them the Jєωs are not the only Semites in all creation.

    Arabs and the Palestinians they keep bombing the hell out of are also Semites.

    A Roman Catholic would have told them the Jєωs worship a false God.

    A Roman Catholic would have told them the Jєωs killed God physically, now they labor to kill Him mystically.


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    US superior of SSPX denies group is anti-Semitic
    « Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 12:42:29 PM »
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  • See?

    Once again, we have an authorized news source quoting Fr. Rostand.

    Not a rumor.

    I would certainly criticize almost everything he said, and for good reason!


    Has Fr. Rostand or anyone representing him come out publicly with a statement that CNS has misrepresented or misquoted him? No.

    I think we can assume that when a major media organ reports an interview like this, it is true. Unless the person in question comes out with a statement that Media Outlet X is spreading false information about them.

    You know, the media doesn't make things up. They use brainwashing techniques, they call names, they TWIST things and use language carefully crafted to create a certain impression, etc. but they never make up an entire event (like Fr. Rostand speaking about the Jєωs).

    Even the Mainstream Media isn't that bold!
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    Offline Mea Culpa

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    « Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 12:51:42 PM »
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  • When one continuously plays in the gutter with all the undesireables, soon one begins to get comfortable in his own surroundings and starts embracing the filth that surrounds him.
    You are the company you keep.   :alcohol:

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    « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 10:53:23 PM »
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  • And while Father Rostand is commenting on race relations...

    He should conduct a survey in his own American District to see how
    the SSPX faithful feel about their French governors.

    He might be very suprised.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 12:33:03 AM »
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  • Your Excellency... please!
    Just tell me... how could the SSPX be anti-semitic?
    This is not possible.


    We're friends of the zionists....
    Why, we even hire and educate their brightest young leaders !




    We gladly accept their 90million inheritance fund... money from Europe's finest Jєωιѕн families!



    We demean, isolate and expel those who dare to speak the truth about our Elder brothers.




    Do not worry your Excellency.  
    Rest assurred... we are with the program!





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 06:32:45 AM »
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  • It is interesting that Fr. Rostand was going around telling everyone that Bishop Fellay was misquoted by CNS on the issue of religious liberty in Vatican II. But here we have him running back to the same "dishonest" media network that "twists what you say" to give an interview. Isn't he afraid that they will twist what he says as they supposedly did to his superior or is he just showing his true colours.
    The truth is CNS never twisted what Bishop Fellay said about religious liberty or he would have come out to clarify what he said to calm the uproar he caused.
    The truth is Fr. Rostand is the dishonest one to point the finger at the same media network that he can't seem to stay away from.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 11:14:38 AM »
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  • Gutsy statement about the "Jєωs", by a SSPX Priest
    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10291
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    Jєωs

    What does the Council say about the Jєωs? This decree deals with the matter in its No.4. It is a very delicate subject but let us look at it a little in the light of theology.

    It is clear that God had chosen one people to prepare for the coming of the Messiah and the time having come, this Messiah, prepared for by the prophets, was rejected by His own people who even crucified Him. It is clear that we, the Christians, are heirs to what the prophets have announced and to what Our Lord Jesus Christ has brought.

    We have the faith of Abraham. He is really our father. We have the same faith: Abraham believed in the future Redeemer, we believe in the same Redeemer who has come. The same Redeemer, the same faith.

    It is also clear that the Jєωs of our day cannot be called our elder brothers in the faith. How could the Pope say such a thing when he visited the ѕуηαgσgυє, in Rome, <ed: time period deleted>?

    There is one other question. Can we say that the Jєωs are guilty of Deicide? We must say yes because it is they who asked for Our Lord's death and called for His blood upon their heads and the heads of their children. I want to make it very clear: I do not speak about the Jєωs as a race, I speak about the Jєωs as a religion. So, what about the Jєωs of our day? Well, as long as they do not withdraw from this crime, from this action of their ancestors, they are also guilty of it. They must disassociate themselves from it and recognize Our Lord; they must be baptised and become His disciples.


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    "Conference of Rev Fr. Franz Schmidberger: The Catholic Church and Vatican II, Dublin Ireland, April 24th, 1989"

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    « Reply #9 on: November 14, 2012, 04:56:13 PM »
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  • Quote
    "Conference of Rev Fr. Franz Schmidberger: The Catholic Church and Vatican II, Dublin Ireland, April 24th, 1989"


    When I read that I thought you were joking. You were not, he did write it.
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    US superior of SSPX denies group is anti-Semitic
    « Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 01:37:55 PM »
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  • Sometimes its difficult to believe it when Jєωs who have converted understand the position of the Church in relation to the Jєωs of today better than most Catholics do, isn't it?

    I have read articles even by Jєωs who have not converted that speak out better for the Church than some Catholics ones do.
    "A person is an individual substance of a rational nature."
    "Truth does not depend on our knowledge of it; but on the existence of things."
    De Veritate: Ques. X Art. III
    Thomas Aquinas


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    « Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 01:42:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: GemmaGal
    Sometimes its difficult to believe it when Jєωs who have converted understand the position of the Church in relation to the Jєωs of today better than most Catholics do, isn't it?

    I have read articles even by Jєωs who have not converted that speak out better for the Church than some Catholics ones do.


    I'm sure GemmaGal appreciates your support, but let's give others a turn.


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    « Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 01:44:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: miserere nobis
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    "Conference of Rev Fr. Franz Schmidberger: The Catholic Church and Vatican II, Dublin Ireland, April 24th, 1989"


    When I read that I thought you were joking. You were not, he did write it.


    He's retracted his past statements.  This shows that the SSPX is gradually changing changing its positions to be in line with Vatican II and neo-modernism.

    I call it the "hermeneutic of dishonesty" - and it's enforced by the perfidious "economy of silence" - the threat of expulsion against priests who speak up for Catholic Tradition.