Author Topic: US District SSPX Priests Supporting the Sellout (Read 9783 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** June 29, 2012, 06:59:45 AM »

1) Fr. Arnaud Rostand - Countless public statements/interviews supporting sellout

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:05:11 AM »

Even better than this: I can get a list of priests currently assigned to the US District and publish it.

We can then go down the checklist, designating each as "Pro-Sellout" (Backed by citation to public statements), "Anti-Sellout" (Backed by public statements opposing the sellout), or "Silent."

What do you think?

My thoughts on why this is important:

1) Discernment of friend from foe;
2) Required for keeping contingency plans discreet;
3) Resource for Catholics seeking aid after the sellout;
4) Let's us know which priests will need our support vs those who will not;
5) Let's us know which priests (i.e., pro-sellout) we need to convert

PS: I don't have to be right, but this seems to make sense to me. Open to hearing objections.

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:11:17 AM »

Certainly name the priests who were willing to take the 30 pieces of Vatican Silver.The traitors and compromisers.

Luke Kelly: Saxon Shilling

Quote

Hark a marshall sound is heard
The march of soldiers fife and drumming
Eyes are start and hearts are stood
For bold recruits the brave are coming
Ribbons flaunting feathers gαy
The sound and sights are surely thrilling
Dazzle village youths the day
Who're proud to take the Saxon Shilling

Peace of spirits will not bow
And peace to parish tyrants longer
Ye who wear the villian brow
And ye who pine and hope asunder
Fools without the brave man's face
Are slaves and starving who are willing
To sell themselves to shame and death
Except the fatal Saxon Shilling

Go to find the crime and toil
That doom to which such guilt is hurried
Go to leave on Indian soil your bones
To breach accursed and buried
Go to crush the just and brave
Whose wrongs with wrath the world are filling
Go to slay each by the slave or
Spurn the bloodstained Saxon Shilling

Irish hearts why should you bleed
To swell the tide of British glory
Aiding despots in their needs
Whose chains are green so often gory
None say those who wish to see
The noblest killed the meanest killing
And the true hearts of the risen free
Will take again the Saxon Shilling

Irish youths reserve your strength
Until an hour of glorious duty
When freedom smile shall cheer at length
The land of bravery and beauty
Bribes and threats so heed no more
Let not but justice make you willing
To leave your own dear Ireland shore
For those to send as Saxon Shilling

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:15:44 AM »

They need our prayers but not our respect. We can respect an enemy but never a traitor. There were a few clerics here in Ireland happy to compromise.

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:19:25 AM »

Quote from: Seraphim

1) Fr. Arnaud Rostand - Countless public statements/interviews supporting sellout

His Against The Rumours propaganda fooled nobody.Who believed him? Fr Rostand is one of the worst priests the SSPX have. They appeased International Jєωry yet wanted to convince those that finance them that the facts were "rumours". Pathetic attempt by Fr Rostand. We don't believe you, Fr Rostand. Your Superior General has been ousted as a liar. Facts confirm this. Dismiss this as "internet rumour", Fr Rostand. Their PR spin is rubbish.

Domitilla · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:46:10 AM »

Great idea! The faithful priests need our material and prayerful support; the Judas Goats need prayer to make the necessary reparation.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2012, 08:02:13 AM »

Quote from: Domitilla

Great idea! The faithful priests need our material and prayerful support; the Judas Goats need prayer to make the necessary reparation.

I don't mean to be critical of this priest (Fr Rostand) for the sake of criticism but look at the 'Against the Rumours' video. How desperate he and others are/were to convince those who finance his priests that facts were rumours. A very manipulative ploy on his part but it showed how desperate he was/is.

How can anybody trust a priest who tries to convince those who have given everything to the SSPX that facts are mere 'rumours'. Total lunacy and patronising.

It would be interesting to establish how many of any actually believed Fr Rostand.

As for them seeking to prevent Bishop Williamson from being at Econe, it highlights something is rotten in Menzingen.

Whilst Bishop Fellay is finished anyways, he needs to be ousted. He has no credibility.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2012, 08:04:11 AM »

Fr Rostand seems to think people are naive or stupid. Perhaps Americans should try remove him.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

Fr Rostand seems to think people are naive or stupid. Perhaps Americans should try remove him.

John, He is just a minion whose thinking is confused and who is following orders.
He may even believe the Menzigen narrative. It gives me the willies to watch him espouse what is so clearly a mistating and distortion of the facts. He is reading the script that was handed to him from the east German bunker.

Be that as it is, we need only concern ourselves with the Priests who are on the right side, and those who are of good will and need help seeing through the propaganda fog.

Spending too much time on those who are willfully dancing the Menzingen Mambo will distacts us from moving forward when the time is right.

Our hope is in the Chapter at this point, I think. It is obvious that Bishop Fellay is going to lose a lot more priests than he was counting on.

Domitilla · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2012, 08:35:37 AM »

While your sentiments are lovely, the laity does need to know who is an enemy in order to prevent unnecessary trouble on the local level. Our Lady, whose Immaculate Heart is our "refuge and the path that will lead us to God", has never hesitated to name her Son's enemies. That is the reason why the Third Secret has never been revealed.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2012, 10:17:04 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: Seraphim
1) Fr. Arnaud Rostand - Countless public statements/interviews supporting sellout

His Against The Rumours propaganda fooled nobody.Who believed him? Fr Rostand is one of the worst priests the SSPX have. They appeased International Jєωry yet wanted to convince those that finance them that the facts were "rumours". Pathetic attempt by Fr Rostand. We don't believe you, Fr Rostand. Your Superior General has been ousted as a liar. Facts confirm this. Dismiss this as "internet rumour", Fr Rostand. Their PR spin is rubbish.

It's interesting my post here is 'disliked'. Perhaps the person believed the Fr Rostand propaganda but on my other point, the Society did indeed appease Jєωs or are there now those who deny the SSPX removed articles that 'offended' Jєωs?

The internet rumours were indeed Facts and Bishop Fellay has proven to be a liar. So I stand over my comments. The vast majority are not beguiled by Fr Rostand. As J Paul states correctly, there might be some Fellay loyalists who believe the Menzingen propaganda machine churning out damage control.They will always exist and would ask "How high" if Bishop Fellay asked them to jump. They love making excuses for him.

But as J Paul states
"Be that as it is, we need only concern ourselves with the Priests who are on the right side, and those who are of good will and need help seeing through the propaganda fog."

Let's stick with the anti-agreement priests and faithful. Let them Fellayites have their deal.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** June 29, 2012, 10:57:45 AM »

I will only say that each person is obliged to determine is the priest from whom they recieve the sacraments and in whom they entrust thier spiritual wellbeing, is a true or false shephard.

Those who show themselves to be inclined towards modernist Rome will can no longer be considered reliable in their transmission of the Catholic Faith and spiritual guidance. Our Lady does not dispense us from our obligations of discernment or the protection of our souls.
She has told us enough about these enemies to fulfill that duty.

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** June 29, 2012, 11:04:15 AM »

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: John Grace
Quote from: Seraphim
1) Fr. Arnaud Rostand - Countless public statements/interviews supporting sellout

His Against The Rumours propaganda fooled nobody.Who believed him? Fr Rostand is one of the worst priests the SSPX have. They appeased International Jєωry yet wanted to convince those that finance them that the facts were "rumours". Pathetic attempt by Fr Rostand. We don't believe you, Fr Rostand. Your Superior General has been ousted as a liar. Facts confirm this. Dismiss this as "internet rumour", Fr Rostand. Their PR spin is rubbish.

It's interesting my post here is 'disliked'. Perhaps the person believed the Fr Rostand propaganda but on my other point, the Society did indeed appease Jєωs or are there now those who deny the SSPX removed articles that 'offended' Jєωs?

The internet rumours were indeed Facts and Bishop Fellay has proven to be a liar. So I stand over my comments. The vast majority are not beguiled by Fr Rostand. As J Paul states correctly, there might be some Fellay loyalists who believe the Menzingen propaganda machine churning out damage control.They will always exist and would ask "How high" if Bishop Fellay asked them to jump. They love making excuses for him.

But as J Paul states
"Be that as it is, we need only concern ourselves with the Priests who are on the right side, and those who are of good will and need help seeing through the propaganda fog."

Let's stick with the anti-agreement priests and faithful. Let them Fellayites have their deal.

Yes, of course we militate in any way possible to stop it but, if it happens, as you say, it is their deal. That will be their future and their reality.

Ours, from that point on, will be an entirely different reality and course of action.

They will only be a concern when they undermine our efforts of fidelity to our King.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #13 on:** June 29, 2012, 03:31:34 PM »

Quote from: Amicus24

Quote from: Seraphim
Even better than this: I can get a list of priests currently assigned to the US District and publish it.

We can then go down the checklist, designating each as "Pro-Sellout" (Backed by citation to public statements), "Anti-Sellout" (Backed by public statements opposing the sellout), or "Silent."

What do you think?

My thoughts on why this is important:

1) Discernment of friend from foe;
2) Required for keeping contingency plans discreet;
3) Resource for Catholics seeking aid after the sellout;
4) Let's us know which priests will need our support vs those who will not;
5) Let's us know which priests (i.e., pro-sellout) we need to convert

PS: I don't have to be right, but this seems to make sense to me. Open to hearing objections.

Seraphim, I respectfully contend that this type of attitude cannot bring anything good. We, the laypeople, have no "foes". We are not waging a war, the priests are. We have spiritual fathers who are defending our souls and others who have decided to endanger our souls. Our choice will merely be which group of priests we will support with our prayers and seek out for the Sacraments. All we can do is pray and support those who are defending our souls. It serves no purpose to focus on those who are endangering our souls.

As for contingency plans, all there is for us is to make priests who have publicly taken a position against the betrayal aware that they have a flock willing and able to provide for their necessities. There isn't any secret planning that needs to be conducted that must be kept secret from those priests in favor of the sell-out.

Having an enemies list isn't going to be conducive to converting anyone and it won't be us who converts them. It will be their fellow priests. And, having an enemies list circulating with their names on it isn't going to help any priest to be any more disposed to recognize the danger they are putting us in.

At the end of the day, this list is not something, I think that is imbued with a spiritual nature. It savors of something that can only bring harm to our souls.

Please do not take this as a rebuke to you. You have my respect and best wishes. I simply feel this is not an idea that will sanctify us.

So......after the sellout, would you find it productive to contact Fr. Rostand to say Mass in your basement? Would it be a good thing to inadvertantly put him in touch with other priests resisting the sellout?

There is no attitude manifested in creation of this list.

It is a resource for trads who will struggle, and it is intended to help them navigate an increasingly difficult course.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #14 on:** June 29, 2012, 04:22:23 PM »

Quote from: Amicus24

We, the laypeople, have no "foes". We are not waging a war, the priests are. We have spiritual fathers who are defending our souls and others who have decided to endanger our souls. Our choice will merely be which group of priests we will support with our prayers and seek out for the Sacraments. All we can do is pray and support those who are defending our souls. It serves no purpose to focus on those who are endangering our souls.

As for contingency plans, all there is for us is to make priests who have publicly taken a position against the betrayal aware that they have a flock willing and able to provide for their necessities. There isn't any secret planning that needs to be conducted that must be kept secret from those priests in favor of the sell-out.

Having an enemies list isn't going to be conducive to converting anyone and it won't be us who converts them. It will be their fellow priests. And, having an enemies list circulating with their names on it isn't going to help any priest to be any more disposed to recognize the danger they are putting us in.

At the end of the day, this list is not something, I think that is imbued with a spiritual nature. It savors of something that can only bring harm to our souls.

Please do not take this as a rebuke to you. You have my respect and best wishes. I simply feel this is not an idea that will sanctify us.

Amicus, have you ever been betrayed by a Society priest or even a N.O. priest for that matter? There are people here who have been tricked, maligned and discarded like trash. A list is an act of self protection so we know who to avoid. Your optimism is admirable but not realistic. We have to be cautious in dangerous times.