Author Topic: US district of SSPX (Read 6496 times)

jman123 · « **on:** February 11, 2016, 09:54:41 AM »

How do you see the SSPX US district shaping up under Father Wegner? Any trends both good and bad?

Incredulous · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2016, 10:20:54 AM »

From observations and other sources, we see Father Wegner as escalating his drive to re-brand the SSPX in the US.

His recent photo-op campaign of Bp. Fellay at the major pro-life marches is an example.
This is unprecedented.

He's generating a new "touchy, feely" image for +F.

Showing the trad bishop working the crowds with common (modern) Catholics.
He s morphing Fellay's public image for newChurch acceptance.

Also, in certain priories there are new positions being taken by the priors and priests, such as:

1. Absolutely no criticism of the Jєωs (a 6-yr. old standard)
2. Criticism of newChurch is highly guarded, "let's don't talk about it".
3. The 3-Days of Darkness prophecies are denounced from the pulpit.
4. Gun ownership is frowned upon.
5. (4) Baptisms are "in" discussions of EENS are "out".
6. Ecuмenical dialogues, seeking Masses in desecrated churches are acceptable.

Fr. "Vegy" is the maestro of re-branding and in the cowboy US, he is bold.

Wessex · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2016, 10:52:00 AM »

Ah, the acceptable face of tradism! Purge the reactionaries; let them not hold us back in our drive to seek accommodation with the world! We will be contrite and make reparation for the bad atmosphere we created and the distress we caused our betters due to an overreaction to their wise management.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2016, 11:05:38 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Also, in certain priories there are new positions being taken by the priors and priests, such as:

1. Absolutely no criticism of the Jєωs (a 6-yr. old standard)
2. Criticism of newChurch is highly guarded, "let's don't talk about it".
3. The 3-Days of Darkness prophecies are denounced from the pulpit.
4. Gun ownership is frowned upon.
5. (4) Baptisms are "in" discussions of EENS are "out".
6. Ecuмenical dialogues, seeking Masses in desecrated churches are acceptable.

I agree that all are a problem, except for (5). What's wrong with focusing on baptizing people rather than arguing about EENS and Feeneyism? That's all a waste of time, I agree.

If someone is considering the Catholic Faith, they need to be baptized with water, period. If they were protestant, then it might be a conditional baptism, depending on the circuмstances.

Baptism is basically consummating a conversion to the Faith. I'd say Baptisms SHOULD be "in"!

And little good is EVER done by laymen arguing and fighting about EENS. Out of the last 3 GIGABYTES of text produced on all Trad message boards on this subject in the last 10 years, probably less than 1/2 of 1 percent of that text was written by someone with any formal theological training.

brianhope · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2016, 11:14:53 AM »

What are EENS? :confused1:

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2016, 11:16:54 AM »

I was unaware that the SSPX discourages gun ownership. This seems odd to me in view of the fact that I've seen a number of SSPX chapels tucked away in areas of some cities that are unsafe to travel in.

Marie Teresa · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2016, 11:22:50 AM »

Quote from: brianhope

What are EENS? :confused1:

"Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus."

"Outside the Church there is no salvation."

MyrnaM · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2016, 11:24:20 AM »

Quote from: brianhope

What are EENS? :confused1:

Outside the Church there is no salvation" (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus).

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:15:47 PM »

The Latin phrase extra Ecclesiam nulla salus means: "outside the Church there is no salvation". The 1997 Catechism of the Catholic Church explained this as "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body."

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:18:54 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

I was unaware that the SSPX discourages gun ownership. This seems odd to me in view of the fact that I've seen a number of SSPX chapels tucked away in areas of some cities that are unsafe to travel in.

Keep your eye out for it.

This is the typical European socialistic mind-set.

It's coming from the American mid-level management, which means the priests reporting directly to Father Wegner.

Incredulous · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Incredulous

Also, in certain priories there are new positions being taken by the priors and priests, such as:

1. Absolutely no criticism of the Jєωs (a 6-yr. old standard)
2. Criticism of newChurch is highly guarded, "let's don't talk about it".
3. The 3-Days of Darkness prophecies are denounced from the pulpit.
4. Gun ownership is frowned upon.
5. (4) Baptisms are "in" discussions of EENS are "out".
6. Ecuмenical dialogues, seeking Masses in desecrated churches are acceptable.

I agree that all are a problem, except for (5). What's wrong with focusing on baptizing people rather than arguing about EENS and Feeneyism? That's all a waste of time, I agree.

If someone is considering the Catholic Faith, they need to be baptized with water, period. If they were protestant, then it might be a conditional baptism, depending on the circuмstances.

Baptism is basically consummating a conversion to the Faith. I'd say Baptisms SHOULD be "in"!

And little good is EVER done by laymen arguing and fighting about EENS. Out of the last 3 GIGABYTES of text produced on all Trad message boards on this subject in the last 10 years, probably less than 1/2 of 1 percent of that text was written by someone with any formal theological training.

Acknowledged and I'll bet you DO HAVE 3-Gig of data on the topic.

However, the 4th Baptism is implicit baptism or universal salvation also known as Rahnerism.
It is rare to hear an SSPX priest expounding upon the importance of a water Baptism nowadays.

In addition, when Bp. Fellay was on the west coast 3-weeks ago for his Pro-Life photo shoot, he spoke from the pulpit at length about BOD and BOB, ignoring Church teachings on Limbo and extrapolating that many aborted babies were in Heaven enjoying the Beatific Vision of God. He is becoming a newChurch vonderboy!

Incredulous · « **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:33:05 PM »

Forgot number 7.

1. Absolutely no criticism of the Jєωs (a 6-yr. old standard)
2. Criticism of newChurch is highly guarded, "let's don't talk about it".
3. The 3-Days of Darkness prophecies are denounced from the pulpit.
4. Gun ownership is frowned upon.
5. (4) Baptisms are "in" discussions of EENS are "out".
6. Ecuмenical dialogues, seeking Masses in desecrated churches are acceptable.
7. Homeschooling is definitely out.

Wessex · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:36:45 PM »

If the Society is aligning itself with those embarking on the great asset-grab to come, it will involve itself in all those population-pacifying events through its managers. As usual survivalism will not extend to the minions in the pews.

Incredulous · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2016, 12:53:04 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

If the Society is aligning itself with those embarking on the great asset-grab to come, it will involve itself in all those population-pacifying events through its managers. As usual survivalism will not extend to the minions in the pews.

We folks in the pews need to develop the spiritual fortitude of the Cristeros.

It is the quickest way to Heaven.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2016, 02:28:19 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: Incredulous

Also, in certain priories there are new positions being taken by the priors and priests, such as:

1. Absolutely no criticism of the Jєωs (a 6-yr. old standard)
2. Criticism of newChurch is highly guarded, "let's don't talk about it".
3. The 3-Days of Darkness prophecies are denounced from the pulpit.
4. Gun ownership is frowned upon.
5. (4) Baptisms are "in" discussions of EENS are "out".
6. Ecuмenical dialogues, seeking Masses in desecrated churches are acceptable.

I agree that all are a problem, except for (5). What's wrong with focusing on baptizing people rather than arguing about EENS and Feeneyism? That's all a waste of time, I agree.

If someone is considering the Catholic Faith, they need to be baptized with water, period. If they were protestant, then it might be a conditional baptism, depending on the circuмstances.

Baptism is basically consummating a conversion to the Faith. I'd say Baptisms SHOULD be "in"!

And little good is EVER done by laymen arguing and fighting about EENS. Out of the last 3 GIGABYTES of text produced on all Trad message boards on this subject in the last 10 years, probably less than 1/2 of 1 percent of that text was written by someone with any formal theological training.

Acknowledged and I'll bet you DO HAVE 3-Gig of data on the topic.

However, the 4th Baptism is implicit baptism or universal salvation also known as Rahnerism.
It is rare to hear an SSPX priest expounding upon the importance of a water Baptism nowadays.

In addition, when Bp. Fellay was on the west coast 3-weeks ago for his Pro-Life photo shoot, he spoke from the pulpit at length about BOD and BOB, ignoring Church teachings on Limbo and extrapolating that many aborted babies were in Heaven enjoying the Beatific Vision of God. He is becoming a newChurch vonderboy!

Interesting comments Incredulous.

I think Matthew was confused about #5 (because I was too!), but it makes sense now that you've explained what the "4" meant.