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Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
« on: February 17, 2017, 05:13:05 PM »
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  • EMAIL SENT TODAY (FEB 14TH) BY FR. GIROUARD TO HIS PARISHIONERS.

    Dear parishioners,

    For the last few days, some news came out on Cathinfo about a meeting between Bishop Fellay and the Pope at the Vatican on January 17th. This morning I got some more details from the French website "Reconquista".
    1-Bishop Fellay did not stay at the house of the SSPX Italian District, located in Albano, about 45 minutes from Rome. Instead, I stayed at the St. Martha house, where the Pope himself lives.
    2-Bishop Fellay asked the Mother General of the SSPX Sisters to be present at the meeting. She went, but stayed at the Albano house and not at st. Martha.
    3-Bishop Alfonso Galaretta was also present at the meeting with the Pope.
    4-Fr. Alain Nély, General Assistant, was also there. And he also used his time in Rome to complete the purchasing process of a big house with chapel in Rome itself. It is believed that this would become the headquarter of the future SSPX Personal Prelature. The purchase was facilitated by the direct intervention of Abp. Guido Pozzo, head of the Ecclesia Dei Commission.
    These events preceeded by only a few days the interviews Bishop Felllay gave in Paris on January 26 and 29th. In these interviews, Bishop Fellay basically repeated what he had said last August 24th in Australia: The SSPX and Rome both agree on what kind of structure would be acceptable to the SSPX if there was a "regularization". Only minor details need to be addressed. Rome is still modernist, but more and more bishops are reacting against the bad things, and they encourage the SSPX to continue the fight. Rome does not ask the SSPX to accept Vatican II as part of Catholic dogma. The SSPX just wants to make sure Rome will allow it to "remain as it is". On January 29th, Bishop Fellay concluded the interview by saying that, in order for the agreement to go ahead, all that was needed was "a coup de tampon" (ie "to rubber-stamp it").
    Of course, none of us are surprised at these developments. Indeed, they are only the logical conclusions to the 2012 General Chapter scrapping the 2006 resolution of "No practical agreement with Rome unless Rome converts."
    Almost five years have passed since then. Five years during which Bishop Fellay expelled all SSPX members who were too vocal against his momentous policy shift. Five years in which he and his cronies have preached "the hot and the cold", in order to convince unhappy members that they would do a better job for the Society if they would "resist from the inside". (Which is basically what Bishop Fellay believes the SSPX as a whole should do towards Rome).
    Now, after these five long years, it looks like the road is clear for the "rubber-stamping" ceremony. The only question is this: Will they do it in 2017 (100th anniversary of Fatima), or will they wait until 2018 (for the General Chapter scheduled, which will hold the election of the Superior General and his two Assistants)?
    Time will tell.
    Let us pray for the Society, so she could wake-up. And for ourselves, so we could remain faithful and strong.

    God bless,

    Fr. Girouard
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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 05:33:52 PM »
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  • I hope Bishop Fellay reads the news, particularly the bit of the news about the Order of Malta. Pope Francis is lawless.


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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 07:16:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Prayerful
    I hope Bishop Fellay reads the news, particularly the bit of the news about the Order of Malta. Pope Francis is lawless.


    I think it is far past the news or truth having anything to do with decisions.  Truth long ago became a casualty.

    Francis I could go around beheading Trads and canonizing Muslims and those who want an agreement - would still want an agreement.  They would invent their own "truth" on the spot (ie, it is not truth), and say something, like perhaps "They really need our help now on the inside to deal with these problems - we can't do it on the outside".  Or, maybe perhaps say that this is what we always wanted, even in the 2006 chapter resolution.

    Is this the same society that once said "The faithful have a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with the false Conciliar Church."?

     :heretic:

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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 08:01:52 PM »
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    EMAIL SENT TODAY (FEB 14TH) BY FR. GIROUARD TO HIS PARISHIONERS.

    The only question is this: Will they do it in 2017 (100th anniversary of Fatima), or will they wait until 2018 (for the General Chapter scheduled, which will hold the election of the Superior General and his two Assistants)?


    Someone told me that the rule of the Society does not allow Bishop Fellay to be re-elected to a third term as Superior General.  Can anyone confirm or correct this information?  

    If it is true, then that fact would explain seeming haste to get this agreement signed.

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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 09:46:54 PM »
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  • How do you say in French, "If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas"?
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 10:43:31 AM »
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  • I'm curious to know how many laity and priests will stay with the SSPX  once the deal is completely finalized and made public and how many will leave and try to find other options.

    Will this split the society in half causing a major upheaval? Or will it pass with barely a whimper.

    Have laypersons who attend SSPX chapels already decided what to do or are they playing it by ear?

    Someone who attends a society chapel and has a pulse of what's going on and what the mood is can probably answer these questions best.

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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 11:32:29 AM »
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  • It seems evident the SSPX has already purchased a house with a church in Rome, which presumably will be used for the future SSPX Personal Prelature.

    So I have to wonder....either Bishop Fellay must have confidence that the Pope will "take them as they are," or he doesn't really care if the Pope takes them as they are, and he just wants a reconciliation, no matter what the circuмstances. I worry that Bishop Fellay is only trying to appease those in the SSPX who are wary of a "deal" and that's why he's insisting that Rome "take them as they are," which is of course a quote from the Archbishop, so it has a ring of legitimacy to it.

    I know that sounds cynical, but the purchase of the property before a deal is supposedly signed does raise a few questions and legitimate concerns. I could be wrong.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Update - more details about Bishop Fellay meeting with Pope
    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2017, 12:13:02 PM »
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    I know that sounds cynical, but the purchase of the property before a deal is supposedly signed does raise a few questions and legitimate concerns. I could be wrong.

    Meg, as many have been saying for the past few years, the deal with Rome is a 'when' not an 'if'.  It will happen, unless God intervenes.  In hindsight, when +Williamson was kicked out, this was the 'writing on the wall' that the society had a new agenda.  The past few years have been a waiting game so that the society could 'market' the change to the people.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 18, 2017, 12:35:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pax Vobis
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    I know that sounds cynical, but the purchase of the property before a deal is supposedly signed does raise a few questions and legitimate concerns. I could be wrong.

    Meg, as many have been saying for the past few years, the deal with Rome is a 'when' not an 'if'.  It will happen, unless God intervenes.  In hindsight, when +Williamson was kicked out, this was the 'writing on the wall' that the society had a new agenda.  The past few years have been a waiting game so that the society could 'market' the change to the people.  


    Makes sense. I only hope that well-intentioned priests will leave the SSPX after the deal is done, and join the Resistance.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 04:48:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Matthew
    EMAIL SENT TODAY (FEB 14TH) BY FR. GIROUARD TO HIS PARISHIONERS.

    The only question is this: Will they do it in 2017 (100th anniversary of Fatima), or will they wait until 2018 (for the General Chapter scheduled, which will hold the election of the Superior General and his two Assistants)?


    Someone told me that the rule of the Society does not allow Bishop Fellay to be re-elected to a third term as Superior General.  Can anyone confirm or correct this information?  

    If it is true, then that fact would explain seeming haste to get this agreement signed.


    Fr. Girouard has a copy of the Rule, and he says that the SSPX statutes only say that the General Chapter elects the General Superior and his two Assistant for 12 years, and they can be re-elected, and no limit of how many times they can be elected has been mentioned in the Rule.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 18, 2017, 05:55:38 PM »
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    I'm curious to know how many laity and priests will stay with the SSPX  once the deal is completely finalized and made public and how many will leave and try to find other options.

    Will this split the society in half causing a major upheaval? Or will it pass with barely a whimper.

    Have laypersons who attend SSPX chapels already decided what to do or are they playing it by ear?

    Someone who attends a society chapel and has a pulse of what's going on and what the mood is can probably answer these questions best.

    I would leave, this will cause friction with my wife as I forced her to leave novus order a few years ago, so she's finally getting used to the latin mass and I will no doubt have to fight as she will say" yet another change to our lives".  In my chapel I believe a good 20 or so would leave.


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  • "I'm sorry darlings, but you've missed the main issue, which is:
    How will they decorate their new Roman headquarters?"




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    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 03:06:37 PM »
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  • Is there a concise listing of all the traditional groups that have given up and gone back to Rome and their current status saying the NOM?  I have a vague memory of seeing such a list but cannot find it now.

    I think they all have been "modernized", which is what I assume will happen if Bp. Fellay gets his way, but I'd like to have a handy list so that I can give a copy to sceptics.

    Anyone?

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    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 03:30:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
    Is there a concise listing of all the traditional groups that have given up and gone back to Rome and their current status saying the NOM?  I have a vague memory of seeing such a list but cannot find it now.

    I think they all have been "modernized", which is what I assume will happen if Bp. Fellay gets his way, but I'd like to have a handy list so that I can give a copy to sceptics.

    Anyone?


    There used to be a website called "TrueTrad" and they carried such a collection of groups. Unfortunately, the website went under.
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    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 03:45:17 PM »
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    In hindsight, when +Williamson was kicked out, this was the 'writing on the wall' that the society had a new agenda.
     Arguably it was even before that -- when he was kicked out and kicked in -- kicked out of La Reja in Argentina and kicked into "the corner" (aka: the St. George House in London) all for publicly expressing a major "inconvenient" and politically incorrect, albeit sincere and truthful opinion about something.