Author Topic: Typical Fr. Pfeiffer follower (Read 3275 times)

Matthew · « **on:** April 18, 2016, 11:34:02 AM »

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Will leave you with one question why is everyone so against father Pfeiffer? He is truer than Bishop W who is an old english proddy snob.

c ya

Just read the threads on CathInfo. I have no pre-existing animus against Fr. Pfeiffer. But I will speak up against injustice. His latest animosity against +Williamson, +Faure, Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Voigt, and the rest of the Resistance is downright sickening. That is what I oppose.

His bizarre LTR with an apostate like Pablo is also disturbing.

Why is everyone so against Fr. Pfeiffer? I'll tell you why: it's because his recent rhetoric (from the past 2 years) convinces men like you to call Bishop Williamson "an old english proddy snob." Whatever spirit is behind that, it's not a Catholic spirit, it's certainly not the Holy Ghost and whatever religion is behind such disdain for a Traditional Catholic prelate, I want no part of it!

Bishop Williamson converted to the Catholic Faith decades ago, and he has never looked back, faithfully preaching the Truth in and out of season. That is what got him kicked out of the SSPX.

I hope this clarifies things.

Sincerely,

Matthew

P.S. How do you know Fr. Pfeiffer and Bishop Williamson?

Do you know them both from online videos I bet?

I know both of them IRL. I also am in regular contact with Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Garcia, and Fr. Voigt. I know them all in person. Perhaps that's why my grasp of the situation is somewhat more accurate, and objectively closer to the truth, than your grasp from half a world away (in Australia).

I'm also in contact with countless individuals who live, or lived, in Boston, KY and give me first-hand reports of the situation there.

If I'm wrong about "Fr. Pfeiffer vs. the rest of the Resistance", and I unfortunately "backed the wrong horse", then even God won't blame me because there was no way for me NOT to be wrong. The evidence was simply overwhelming, and I had to choose the way I did.

You might be similarly convinced by the various videos you've seen -- your pile of evidence, plus your reasoning. However, your evidence simply pales in comparison to what I've been given. God will judge us each based on what we knew, and how sincerely we pursued the truth. Which is why I don't judge you either, I only say that I have to follow the truth, and I know what I must do.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2016, 11:47:42 AM »

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If I'm wrong about "Fr. Pfeiffer vs. the rest of the Resistance", and I unfortunately "backed the wrong horse", then even God won't blame me because there was no way for me NOT to be wrong. The evidence was simply overwhelming, and I had to choose the way I did.

Does anyone know what Apologetics book I got this from? I've read so many Traditional Catholic books, I can't even remember what I got everything from.

I remember someone said that if we Catholics COULD SOMEHOW turn out to be objectively wrong, then we could, in our defense, blame God for deceiving us by allowing such miracles, evidence in Holy Scripture, good example of the Saints, the Catholic Church itself (an unbroken institution in existence with the same government for centuries), reasonableness, etc. in a "false religion", to the point that it was natural and normal for a person of good will to believe Catholicism was the true religion.

That is a fascinating point, especially for anyone seeking the truth, and/or interested in the topic of objective truth. I know that it really resonated with me, and stuck with me for all these years.

Croixalist · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2016, 01:35:06 PM »

My personal TL:DR take (see below for short version) is that this is as pure a test of our Sensus Fidelium as ever there was since Christ was first apprehended. There is no safe place to go. How can we expect any group to be spared this when our very own Vatican is barely recognizable?

No major groups are unaffected by all this. Pockets of sanity and good Faith can be had but they're increasingly rare and hard won! Even in the best of times, they always said (relatively) few of us will make it. I hope as many of us can, will and for those of us who will, hold on until a Restoration.

I know there's as many theories about the post -VII Papacies as there are words in Amoris Laetitia, but I do not believe anything will be strong enough to change one bit of it until we get the Angelic Shephard, the Consecration of Russia and the Great Monarch on the scene. Sure it sounds like a fairytale, but that's about all we're left with and I'm not at all confident that the crisis within the crisis within the Crisis in the Church that is the SSPX Resistance won't continue to experience strange hemorrhages and breakaways. It's a big waste of a priest's time to keep using homilies to straighten all these knots out (that's what Bishops are supposed to be doing) but when the strongman is tied up, the thief has his way.

Imagine good Bishops who'd be actually able (and willing!) to remove the bad eggs at will.

No Obama, no Trump, no Cruz, no Putin, no Netanyahu, no modern politician, no established royals, no Planet X, no "Warning", no ad hoc forum arguments, no flat Earth is ever going to get this job done. I'm not a canon lawyer but I'll know a holy Pope when I see one. We know we can't have a healthy Church without him! So let's pray for that one to enter the stage and let certain others find themselves swiftly exiting in order to make way for what is coming.

With all due respect to Bishop Williamson, Fr. Chazal, and all those other holy religious who bring far more to the table than they take away, I think now would be a great time to put the GCM and the Angelic Shephard into their regular rotations and regulate the OLMC cult leaders to the periphery. Anyone with a good "sensus" ought to be avoiding them already. Let's talk about a subject that has a future for once!

May the Mass of All Time preserve us yet.

Short version:

Is it too late to ban all OLMC members?

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2016, 04:20:04 PM »

Another update:

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So why is he telling Priests not to leave the SSPX?

Bishop Williamson is telling people not to leave the SSPX? That's news to me.

.....Oh, wait...you mean the recording from almost 4 years ago!!

You can't say "is telling", you really need to say "was telling". Is the truth that malleable and disposable for Fr. Pfeiffer and/or his followers?

He was still getting his bearings 4 years ago. Heck, he was still part of the SSPX 3 1/2 years ago. You don't think that fact has some relevance, and makes some difference between the time of the recording and today?

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2016, 04:22:19 PM »

And Wessex, if you're so intelligent stop using strawman arguments.

I'm not aware of a single person who "worships" Bishop Williamson. So quit posting such nonsense.

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2016, 06:30:35 PM »

There is a chronic problem developing in trad-circles with the failure to soberly assess the situation of the crisis in the Church.

It seems the purpose for existence is not living out Catholicism while enduring the storm but rather engaging in hyperbole, red hot rhetoric, exaggeration, calumny and all out smearing of people. "Don't bother me with Catholicism, I"m fighting the crisis!"

About 12 years ago, this was a caricature neo-Catholics were using against trads of the SSPX variety with only a tiny minority of goofy trads living up to the image. The Dimond Bros were pretty much the most prominent of them.

Now, it seems there is a real metastasizing of this cartoon Neo-trad that is going to really create some set backs for rational traditional Catholicism.

If there ever is in the next few years a real shift that Rome engages in to turn the tide back against liberalism, these Neo-trads would never admit it.

We've got people like Bp. Fellay pretending there is a shift and it's time to get back into canonical unity and we've got these cartoonish Neo-trads that would not see a positive change if it were right in front of them. They ultimately enable Bishop Fellay to undermine the SSPX with his fear of a genuine schism.

It seems only a few people like Williamson can recognize a thing for what it is and know that they don't have to condemn everyone in the Novus Ordo to Hell and not every difference of opinion is "demonic" and at the same time, they know it's not time to compromise with Rome because Rome has not made the effort to start on the path of returning to clear, traditional Catholicism.

If you told me 12 years ago what the respective positions of both Fr. Pfeiffer and Bishop Fellay would be, I would be stunned and want to disbelieving of it.

It wouldn't totally surprise me though because Williamson was warning of this very phenomena way back then.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2016, 08:19:25 PM »

Gerard:

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It seems only a few people like Williamson can recognize a thing for what it is and know that they don't have to condemn everyone in the Novus Ordo to Hell and not every difference of opinion is "demonic" and at the same time, they know it's not time to compromise with Rome because Rome has not made the effort to start on the path of returning to clear, traditional Catholicism

Gerard, you're a pretty feisty sometimes, and you are Trump-aggressive. That's not necessarily a bad thing. What you say above pretty well summarizes my thinking, as well. Your sensus fidelium pretty well corresponds with my own. So you must be right. :wink:

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2016, 08:53:53 PM »

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Gerard:
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It seems only a few people like Williamson can recognize a thing for what it is and know that they don't have to condemn everyone in the Novus Ordo to Hell and not every difference of opinion is "demonic" and at the same time, they know it's not time to compromise with Rome because Rome has not made the effort to start on the path of returning to clear, traditional Catholicism

Gerard, you're a pretty feisty sometimes, and you are Trump-aggressive. That's not necessarily a bad thing. What you say above pretty well summarizes my thinking, as well. Your sensus fidelium pretty well corresponds with my own. So you must be right. :wink:

Thanks, I"m just doing what I can to help people stay on the straight and narrow. We live in tough times and deviations even those in a seemingly noble spirit can lead to severe difficulties down the road.

Trads need to be the grown ups in the Church, it seems there is a crop of them coming along that have absorbed the grievance culture mentality and pursue the "race to victimhood" neither attitudes are appropriately Catholic.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2016, 11:14:41 PM »

When you lie down with dogs you rise up with fleas...or when you lie down with plumbers you rise up smelling like.....................

Gerard from FE · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2016, 12:29:34 PM »

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When you lie down with dogs you rise up with fleas...or when you lie down with plumbers you rise up smelling like.....................

Money?

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2016, 01:28:45 PM »

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When you lie down with dogs you rise up with fleas...or when you lie down with plumbers you rise up smelling like.....................

Money?

Couldn't resist-

Wessex · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2016, 06:36:31 AM »

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And Wessex, if you're so intelligent stop using strawman arguments.

I'm not aware of a single person who "worships" Bishop Williamson. So quit posting such nonsense.

I can in droves. The kind of people that stop supporting the cause and start supporting the person. Of course, lots of charisma and a dependency problem helps.

Now, where is my post? I am having to rely on references to it on other sites and here we have these blackouts.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2016, 07:17:17 AM »

Quote from: Gerard from FE

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
When you lie down with dogs you rise up with fleas...or when you lie down with plumbers you rise up smelling like.....................

Money?

I take it you've never met paul H IRL?

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2016, 08:50:06 PM »

It's amazing that Fr. Pfeiffer, Toxic Pablo and the retirement home escapee playing bishop for OLMC ( "Bishop" Moran ) have become the biggest liabilities the Resistance has. How was this allowed to happen? :scratchchin: