Author Topic: Two questions regarding Resistance Confirmations (Read 12964 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #35 on:** June 26, 2015, 09:24:12 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Green Scapular
So should resisters go by Matthew's "gut feeling" about what is good enough, or should they expect a traditional bishop to follow the ritual precisely and exactly?

I think they should go by what the magisterium of the Catholic church says.

This hasn't been decided by the Magisterium. Yet the V2 so-called "Magisterium" claims that any oil will due (not olive oil) ... whereas theologians had always held olive oil to be essential.

Matthew · « **Reply #36 on:** June 26, 2015, 11:43:30 AM »

Goodbye, ironically-named "lamb".

You're banned for a venomous, hate-filled outburst at the moderator. No forum would put up with that.

CathInfo tries to tolerate a wide variety of members -- the widest possible, actually. But it's not some kind of magical land where matter and anti-matter can coexist without an explosion -- or, to choose an analogy less fantastic, Israelis and Palestinians living happily together.

When you involve contentious groups, you can only be so "open" about membership. I've learned that the hard way running CathInfo as long as I have. For example, I could allow dogmatic home-aloners here (the extremists), and I'd have 5 more members -- except they'd anathematize each other, as well as chase off hundreds of sane, normal members. So there's no universe existing where I could have those 5 home aloners AND my existing membership.

My point is that it's not realistic to attempt to allow "everyone" to be on a forum. It simply doesn't work in practice. I do my best to be as patient, thick-skinned, and tolerant as possible -- but even that has limits. As far as I know, every forum on the Internet is intolerant of venomous outbursts hurled at the site owner.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my challenge: show me just ONE forum where you can cuss out the site owner (or say he's bad-willed, evil, going to Hell, etc.) and not get banned. I'm still waiting. Crickets are chirping.

Matthew · « **Reply #37 on:** June 26, 2015, 12:15:38 PM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Green Scapular
So should resisters go by Matthew's "gut feeling" about what is good enough, or should they expect a traditional bishop to follow the ritual precisely and exactly?

I think they should go by what the magisterium of the Catholic church says.

I shouldn't have said "gut feeling" since people seem to have ran with it. I meant to say "my best guess" -- which implies you can go ahead and look it up. "gut feeling" implies going to one's intuition for the final answer, with no further research suggested or required.

Here is the original quote he got that from:

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Another point -- maybe these still shots are capturing as he's finishing the anointing, and he lets his fingers go to a more natural position towards the end.

At any rate, has anyone on here actually taken the Theological course "de defectibus" ("on defects") which covers the various Sacraments and what is required for validity?

My gut feeling is that as long as those fingers are over the person's head at all, you're good.

The bishop doesn't have to be super nimble with his hands or double jointed to properly administer the Sacrament.

I'll rephrase it to "Go ask a theologian. But for right now, my best common-sense educated guess would be that as long as sufficient finger is over a sufficient amount of the confirmand's head, you're all good."

saintalice · « **Reply #38 on:** June 26, 2015, 12:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

CathInfo tries to tolerate a wide variety of members -- the widest possible, actually.

I can attest to this. Matthew puts up with me and my "Eastern leaning ways." I get a bit argumentative and cemented in my opinions but I do try to catch myself before I go "too far" in offending a large number of people. I'm not always successful, however.

JPaul · « **Reply #39 on:** June 26, 2015, 09:15:34 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: poche
Quote from: Green Scapular
So should resisters go by Matthew's "gut feeling" about what is good enough, or should they expect a traditional bishop to follow the ritual precisely and exactly?

I think they should go by what the magisterium of the Catholic church says.

This hasn't been decided by the Magisterium. Yet the V2 so-called "Magisterium" claims that any oil will due (not olive oil) ... whereas theologians had always held olive oil to be essential.

They don't really mean that, that is just a modernist tendency saying that, not real modernists...........