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Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
« on: December 31, 2018, 07:16:10 AM »
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  • Dear Fathers and Faithful,

    I refer you to the following email (see below) which I have received from various sources.

    OLSC has also taken a similar stand with regards to the Ambrose issue.

    Sadly this is not the first time our prayer group has had the need to be alarmed at the change in direction that Fr's.  Pfeiffer, Hewko and OLMC have taken.  Over  the past 12 months circumstances have made us become aware of their involvement in other liberal compromises, additional to that of the Ambrose affair. This made us see the need to separate ourselves from these priests in order to hold onto the faith in it's entirety and without compromise.

    We now pray at home and also in group prayer, and are completely dependant on Our Lady, the Rosary and Scapular.  There are now very few priests left throughout the world who are not compromising on the faith.  We also look to Archbishop Lefebvre and St. Athanasius as models to guide us during this time of crisis.

    Despite the turn of events over the past 12 months we here at OLSC are united in our prayers for Fr's Pfeiffer and Hewko, whose change of direction has caused us much anguish and sadness.

    Yours in JMJ,
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    From: Tim Cline <**********>
    Date: Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:38 PM
    Subject: FYI
    To: Fr. Pfeiffer <frjpfeiffer@ymail.com>


    Dear Fellow Faithful,

          We hope you all had a wonderful and blessed Christmas day! Beth and I have found there is a profound joy in this holy season that simply cannot be subdued!

    However, as with many things during this life in the land of exile, our joy is not without some sadness which brings us to the point of this email. After many hours of researching, listening to Fr. Pfeiffer's conferences, speaking privately with both Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko, speaking with and emailing fellow faithful (on both sides of the issue), and praying, we have decided there is much doubt left regarding Ambrose Moran which causes us enough concern to step back away from this until it has been proven, without a doubt, his validity, that if he is valid he is licit, and that his character is without reproach, as recommended by sacred scripture. We are also remembering the words of advice from Archbishop Lefebvre that when there is  doubt, do not proceed. We are not claiming to have all the answers here as this situation, in our humble opinion, would require a trustworthy canon lawyer, an expert in the ways and laws of Ukranian Catholicism, the eastern rite, and the schismatic Orthodox. This is not a simple issue to wrap our minds around and there is a lot of information to digest, which is most likely why we neglected to dive headfirst into all of this until recently.

    Please understand firstly that we do not judge others that do not share our same opinion on this given the confusing nature of the entire situation. This is simply our personal decision, after much thought, research, and prayer. We in no way want to turn the fight for the Faith into a fight amongst ourselves. We have always had a high regard for you all and that has not changed.

    More importantly, we in no way wish to embarrass or insult OLMC Seminary or Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. We will always be grateful for the good shepherds they have been to us these past few years. We have learned much through them and we will keep them safely in our prayers.

    We realize this makes for an awkward situation since, as coordinators for the priests, we feel, should not be in disagreement on such a large issue as this. With this in mind, we have chosen to step down as coordinators for the St. Mary's mission.

    Regarding the website/youtube channel SSPX-MARIAN CORPS we made for Fr. Pfeiffer's use, he has relinquished it to us for our private ownership. We will most likely use it to simply build an organized library of their excellent sermons, catechisms, and conferences from the years 2012 to 2018. Fr Hewko has expressed that he may continue to have us upload his sermons for now given the rough situation with the one that Fr Pfeiffer uses, so we may be doing that if needed.

    Regarding the Seminary Restoration project we were organizing and promoting, after speaking with Fr Pfeiffer, we have decided to simply close down our involvement with it, as Fr Pfeiffer wishes to have the projects ran under the control of someone there on the OLMC Seminary grounds.

    Again, we are most grateful to Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko for all the good they have done for us and for the Faith these last years.

    We will continue to trust in the Lord with all our hearts and place ourselves safely in the hands and under the guidance of our Most Blessed Mother, who is such an admirable gift from the hands of our loving Father.

    In honor of the Divine Infant,
           Tim Cline
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #1 on: December 31, 2018, 07:27:29 AM »
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  • A few thoughts and responses to both of these groups:

    1. Welcome to the club. Better late than never!
    2. Yes, you are late to the party. We on CathInfo have seen THESE SAME PROBLEMS for many years and have made these issues public. You should thank us here on CathInfo for sounding the alarm, and trying to help souls, for many years even while you were still asleep and ignorant of the problems with Fr. Pfeiffer's group. This would take humility, I realize, but humility is a virtue after all!
    3. You are now "against" Fr. Pfeiffer just like we are. Yes, you are. You aren't special. You haven't found some new, novel, more balanced, Catholic, charitable position. The position you now occupy already had the CathInfo flag (among other flags) planted in it about 4 years ago.
    4. Related to #3, Fr. Pfeiffer now considers you a demonic enemy and will bash you left and right -- just like he did/does with CathInfo. How do I know this? Because I was a friend and supporter of Fr. Pfeiffer myself! It doesn't matter how legit your grievances, how charitable your rebukes or criticisms, with Fr. Pfeiffer you're either "with me or against me" and if you're against him, he considers you close kin with the devil himself.

    If you disagree with me, then how do you distinguish the "evil" CathInfo Pfeiffer critics from yourselves? You think we have demonic hatred or something? You think we don't love our children? (If so, then get over yourselves!)

    All we have been doing is reporting the facts, trying to make Catholics aware of the reality of the situation with Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer. His issues are real, public, and have a real effect on Trad Catholic families who get involved with him.

    PS. Now that you're awake, I should point out: you might want to question some of the things Fr. Pfeiffer has told you over the years: including the truth about CathInfo. Check out the forum. Read it with an open mind. Try to recover from the brainwashing Fr. P has inflicted on you over the years. For example, I (and others) are not guilty of "crossing the line" -- sinning against charity -- when criticizing Fr. Pfeiffer. We are truly in the same boat as you. I hope you will wake up to this fact as well.
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 07:43:22 AM »
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  • Dang Mathew, nothing like rubbing some salt in that wound.  I mean no matter what or when a realization like this hits, it is down right painful so instead of saying Nah Nah boo boo..... how about just letting these folks heal and letting them come to all of the normal conclusions in their due time.  I personally know some of these people and I also was once in OLMC's good graces and know how disappointing it is to see the truth about them.  I pray for these families!  

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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 07:53:26 AM »
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  • You're right, but I really get tired of people who come to the Trad movement, the truth about Fr. Pfeiffer, etc. but they refuse to fully embrace the existing group of people who have been in their new position for years.

    Long story short: when one converts or "wakes up" to any truth, a certain amount of humility is required and expected. In other words, if you are part of the Faithful today you must have been an infidel last week. If you found the truth today, you were ignorant last week. And so on.

    I would even go further and say that when a Rachel Maddow converts to the True Faith, swears off homosexuality, repents and changes her life, etc. (this hasn't happened -- but we can dream, right?) an apology is rightfully expected! It is required in all justice to apologize to those she condemned during her "call evil Good and call good Evil" days.

    So I suppose I can sum it up by saying I love truth and justice. It's only fair to the good Catholics on CathInfo that I stand up for their good name.

    But back to the "type" of Trad convert I was talking about: They discover Tradition and decide to leave the Novus Ordo, but they write up a blog post tearing down a straw man representation of what they USED to think Traditional Catholics were like. "I'm going to attend the Tridentine Mass from now on, but I'm NOT going to have Pope Francis targets made for my shooting range! I'm not going to call the Pope childish names! I'm not going to think I'm automatically holier than everyone else just because I attend the Tridentine Mass. I'm not going to dress up my family like Little House on the Prairie." Really? Is that what you think Trads do?

    It's just very ignorant, as well as unjust to the group being misrepresented.

    And yes, I'm a bit personally offended by all the slander out there against CathInfo and the Catholics who populate it. I'm a human being. I have emotions, including righteous indignation. GUIL-TYYYYYY!
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 08:30:56 AM »
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  • Sorry I suppose I uunderstand where you are coming from and I too, even though I am not the owner, hate when these folks trash on Cathinfo and I always stick my neck out for it because I see the good it does.  If it is not one way it is another that we get attacked and we will be the better for it now or in the hereafter.  I'm learning to leave my feelings at the door just about for everything.  


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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2019, 06:47:20 PM »
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  • There is a lady who used to go to my chapel
    "A little bird told me, that a friend of a friend said that..." SNIPPED.

    Moderator note: CathInfo does not permit the posting of unsubstantiated rumors. Never has, never will.
    I assure you that if you contacted the Bishop he would welcome you to Mass.  The Mass is public and I know for a fact that he wouldn't refuse you to assist at his Mass.  The reason they are careful is because they get a lot of people who are there just to cause trouble and spread non truths about things he does and says.  It is simply not true that it is by invitation only, this is false.

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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #6 on: January 01, 2019, 06:49:32 PM »
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  • There is a lady...
    That is not the case in Bishop Zendejas's Kansas chapel, everyone is welcome. I recommend you go to Mass with the Bishop and then if anyone turns you away, tell the Bishop what happened.

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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2019, 11:45:11 PM »
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  • I am not trying to spread lies about Bishop Zendejas. Only what I was told by my friend from Church. I was told that people have expressed interest in attending his Masses, because they were weary of liberalism in the SSPX, but they were rejected and not allowed to attend. Anyway, if his Masses in upstate New York or Western Connecticut are indeed public and not invitation only and anyone is welcome, then someone publish the address and the Sunday Mass time so that those who are interested can attend.
    Sounds like 3rd and 4th hand information to me. Perhaps you should try and report back to us.
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #8 on: January 02, 2019, 05:00:30 AM »
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  • I’ve often wondered the same thing.  Sounds like the question remains...

    Where are the locations and times of the good Bishops Masses?

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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #9 on: January 02, 2019, 08:37:52 PM »
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  • I’ve often wondered the same thing.  Sounds like the question remains...

    Where are the locations and times of the good Bishops Masses?
    Mass in TX this Sunday (might or might not be Bp Z) ... south of Houston in the morning and East of San Antonio in the afternoon. If you'll be in the area, PM me and I'll get you the exact details.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2019, 12:10:12 AM »
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  • You're right, but I really get tired of people who come to the Trad movement, the truth about Fr. Pfeiffer, etc. but they refuse to fully embrace the existing group of people who have been in their new position for years.

    Long story short: when one converts or "wakes up" to any truth, a certain amount of humility is required and expected. In other words, if you are part of the Faithful today you must have been an infidel last week. If you found the truth today, you were ignorant last week. And so on.

    I would even go further and say that when a Rachel Maddow converts to the True Faith, swears off homosexuality, repents and changes her life, etc. (this hasn't happened -- but we can dream, right?) an apology is rightfully expected! It is required in all justice to apologize to those she condemned during her "call evil Good and call good Evil" days.

    So I suppose I can sum it up by saying I love truth and justice. It's only fair to the good Catholics on CathInfo that I stand up for their good name.

    But back to the "type" of Trad convert I was talking about: They discover Tradition and decide to leave the Novus Ordo, but they write up a blog post tearing down a straw man representation of what they USED to think Traditional Catholics were like. "I'm going to attend the Tridentine Mass from now on, but I'm NOT going to have Pope Francis targets made for my shooting range! I'm not going to call the Pope childish names! I'm not going to think I'm automatically holier than everyone else just because I attend the Tridentine Mass. I'm not going to dress up my family like Little House on the Prairie." Really? Is that what you think Trads do?

    It's just very ignorant, as well as unjust to the group being misrepresented.

    And yes, I'm a bit personally offended by all the slander out there against CathInfo and the Catholics who populate it. I'm a human being. I have emotions, including righteous indignation. GUIL-TYYYYYY!


    I, personally, and as Admin of Cor mariae would like to apologise for the times I have been guilty of privately and publicly denigrating you Matthew, and CathInfo, regarding OLMC Fathers and Pablo.  You are right - it is not only ignorant but unjust to you and members who have been misrepresented.  I hope you will forgive me.


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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2019, 11:24:25 AM »
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  • I, personally, and as Admin of Cor mariae would like to apologise for the times I have been guilty of privately and publicly denigrating you Matthew, and CathInfo, regarding OLMC Fathers and Pablo.  You are right - it is not only ignorant but unjust to you and members who have been misrepresented.  I hope you will forgive me.



    Yes, I forgive you.
    I was most edified to read this.
    So what happened at Cor Mariae? Is there a change to the forum/mod policy now? Are you still Admin? Will CathInfo bashers* be admonished going forwards? I'm honestly curious.
    * talking about without good reason, of course! CathInfo and I are not above criticism or anything like that.
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2019, 10:09:41 PM »
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  • Yes, I forgive you.
    I was most edified to read this.
    So what happened at Cor Mariae? Is there a change to the forum/mod policy now? Are you still Admin? Will CathInfo bashers* be admonished going forwards? I'm honestly curious.
    * talking about without good reason, of course! CathInfo and I are not above criticism or anything like that.

    Thank you Matthew.  I am the one and only administrator from get to go.

    With regard to what happened at Cor Mariae:
    Cathinfo bashers or any bashers will not be given a go.  As you say in your ps. we still have our differences.  So they will no doubt continue with gusto.

    What has changed dramatically began with Fr. Pfeiffer's April 2018 visit to Melbourne as laid out on OLSC section of Cor Mariae and their/our reply -  HERE
    If interested there is also : Fr. Pfeiffer's Flip flops and What happened to Doctrine?

    With regard to Pablo it  has become painfully clear the influence, nay power, that Pablo appears to exercise over the Fathers of OLMC which subsequently spreads
    throughout all of OLMC's dedicated followers, specifically his 'parishioners', the seminarians, and throughout Australia.   It is my personal experience that Fr. Pfeiffer answers to
    no-one, has no superior and discards even those who have served him faithfully who neither submit, nor continue to submit to his control.     Should fellow-Australians read this I expect there will be a new declaration of my doing the devil's work, or of being protestant - both favourite expressions of Father Pfeiffer regarding those who no longer remain under his spell or do his bidding.

    Without doubt Fr. Pfeiffer has taught me much about doctrine and given me a lot of insight and understanding throughout all his conferences on the encyclicals and video sermons.  I am indebted to him for that.  Please God may he use his courage and stamina(as recognised by Fr. Chazal here in CI's pages) to take a long break making a retreat.  May peace be established between himself and Bishop Williamson regarding doctrinal matters.   Until this happens the flock will continue losing the faith in droves; the faith and the priesthood  divided and conciliar Rome reign supreme.


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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #13 on: January 09, 2019, 09:29:15 AM »
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  • Please God may he use his courage and stamina(as recognised by Fr. Chazal here in CI's pages) to take a long break making a retreat.  May peace be established between himself and Bishop Williamson regarding doctrinal matters.   Until this happens the flock will continue losing the faith in droves; the faith and the priesthood  divided and conciliar Rome reign supreme.




    I disagree that Fr. Pfeiffer is that important. Yes, he is doing harm to dozens, maybe a couple hundred souls. But in the big picture, Fr. Pfeiffer is only doing his part to help divide the Faithful, allow Conciliar Rome to reign supreme, etc. It's not like he's the lynchpin preventing the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    If Fr. Pfeiffer insists on his current path of evil, selfishness, willfulness, etc. he will be cast out by God like salt that has lost its savor. Note that such salt was QUITE savory in the past; but it has, at some point, lost its savor. Then it must be cast out as useless. The same with Fr. Pfeiffer. Of course he had talents, developed and used them for God for many years. But then he fell from grace.

    God, the Catholic Church, and Traditional Catholics everywhere don't NEED Fr. Pfeiffer. Fr. Pfeiffer, on the other hand, does have a dire need of God and His grace.
    God can raise up a replacement for Fr. Pfeiffer from the very stones if need be (maybe from the SSPX or the Novus Ordo!)

    Anyone can convert at any time -- but so also we can fall from grace at any time. And that is the state in which we will be judged.

    How does God judge us? By averages? Does He send someone to hell if they led a wicked life for 50 years and converted 1 month before death? Does He welcome a soul into heaven if they served Him faithfully for 50 years and then apostatized 1 month before death, committing almost every sin and dying unrepentant? Of course not. He only considers their last state.

    So it's not just me that "judges" by the present rather than by the past.
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    Re: Two more groups ditch Fr. Pfeiffer because of Ambrose Moran
    « Reply #14 on: January 09, 2019, 09:32:22 AM »
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  • What I'm trying to say is --

    For those contemplating a fall from grace, consider that God doesn't need you. No matter how important you are, how important you think you are, or how much good you have done in the past. If you choose to be unfaithful to God and fall from His grace, God can and will cast you out as salt that has lost its savor. You are not irreplaceable. God can easily raise up another person or group FROM SCRATCH if need be.

    That goes for the SSPX.
    That goes for each one of us.
    That goes for Fr. Pfeiffer.
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