Author Topic: Two kinds of Trads - those who believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs, and fake Trads (Read 3714 times)

Matthew · « **on:** December 22, 2015, 11:40:30 AM »

I would say there are two kinds of Traditional Catholics. Those that believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs (e.g., the Freemasonic infiltration of the Church) and those who THINK they are Traditional (or those who like the aesthetic of "smells and bells".)

Bishop Fellay is in the latter category. That's the HEART OF THE MATTER why he's foolish enough to do a deal with Rome. He doesn't realize that putting himself under Rome is to put himself under the Freemasons (who, along with the devil, can't be trusted!)

I had this revelation after I learned that Fr. Trevor Burfitt, formed 100% under +Williamson, doesn't believe in the Freemasonic infiltration. According to someone's first-hand testimony, he laughed when they brought up the Freemasons. Now I know darn well what kind of formation Fr. Burfitt got, since I was at the same seminary for a few years. Perhaps this desire to be more "mainstream" and be more acceptable by the world has fueled his recent position (pro-Fellay, anti-Resistance)?

Archbishop Lefebvre even said that if he had it to do over again, he would have added ONE MORE modern error to the list of things his priests must know about. In addition to modernism and liberalism, he would have added Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2015, 12:15:55 PM »

It has been said that when people are freemasons, they will not attack it.

Could Bishop Fellay be a freemason?

Why has he become a traitor and surrendered the SSPX to Vatican control? Is he being blackmailed for some hidden personal fault?

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2015, 12:30:31 PM »

We faithful Traditional Catholics can't fathom why many groups (including the leadership of the SSPX and many of its priests) want to "do a deal" with unconverted Modernist Rome. How can they trust them, when everything in reality says NOT to trust them?

Well, they simply aren't in possession of the same truth that we are -- namely, that the Church has been taken over from within by Freemasons, and that it's hopeless (humanly speaking) to "get inside the Church" and convert them from the inside.

A few shrimp might as well talk about "getting inside the whale" and trying to bite its innards until it dies, and then all the shrimp can finally stop fearing that great, dangerous beast. Well, a couple hundred shrimp can go ahead and try to carry out that plan. But they're not going to get very far! The whale would just laugh and say, "Good luck!" They'll end up LITERALLY getting absorbed by the whale they so detested, to become part of it!

No, the Crisis will not be solved in this way. The Freemasons are too powerful in this world. They are much better at politics, they live for this world only, and being evil they are shrewder and willing to use tactics that good men can't employ (blackmail, threats, murder, poisoning, lies, cօռspιʀαcιҽs, resorting to the devil for power, and many other sins)

Good guys can't use evil tactics like these; that makes us somewhat "weaker" at least in this world. We have to rely on God to be our strength. But don't worry -- God will prevail.

JPaul · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2015, 01:38:09 PM »

Those who refuse to acknowledge the fact that through out the 20's, 30's, and 40's there was an organized infiltration of the Church by Jєωs and their Freemasonic and Communist allies are kicking against the goad of history.

Vatican II was the flowering of the poisonous seeds which were sown within walls of the Church much earlier. Leo XIII was dealing with the Modernists, in the persons of Carrol and Gibbons. A sign of what was to come upon the Church in a short time.
One has but to look at the main actors during the council for proof in the flesh. Bugnini, Montini, Roncalli, Bea, Lustiger, etc to see that the mark of of the Church's enemies attached to these men.

Those who deny and laugh at it now are those who will easily fall under the power of those enemies and their ongoing conciliar revolution, and drag the trusting Catholic along with them.

Meg · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2015, 02:01:24 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Good guys can't use evil tactics like these; that makes us somewhat "weaker" at least in this world. We have to rely on God to be our strength. But don't worry -- God will prevail.

That's how I see it, too. Being honest and sincere doesn't always sound as good as the "spin" that those who conspire with evil use to manipulate others.

There are those who are willing dupes, I think, who are somewhat innocent, in that they have an unbalanced view of mercy (due to the pressure of secular society, and lack of proper catechesis) and it causes them to go along with the progressives. They think that they are being honest and fair; when in fact they have been manipulated by those who know exactly what they are doing. I'm thinking of those who orchestrated the pro same-sex marriage campaign in Ireland recently, who were able to convince the Irish that they were being mean and unfair if they didn't support same-sex marriage. Complete manipulation, and very Freemasonic.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2015, 02:10:47 PM »

I don't know, Matthew. I think that you're viewing things from a purely pragmatic, almost political perspective. You're glossing over the fact that, if the V2 Popes are legitimate popes, then the Magisterium and Universal Discipline of the Church simply cannot fail. You're glossing over the fact that Catholics must remain in submission to the Holy Father. It's defined dogma that no one can be saved without being subject to the Holy Father. We "resist" our politicians. We can even "resist" prelates. But we CANNOT "resist" the Magisterium and the Church's Universal Discipline. There's nothing left then which distinguishes us from any other non-Catholic sect in existence.

I used the data points which suggest Masonic infiltration as indicative of grave doubt regarding the legitimacy of the V2 Popes, and it's on the basis of those grave doubts alone that I can justify refusal of submission to the V2 Magisterium and acceptance of the Novus Ordo Mass.

Marlelar · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2015, 03:27:42 PM »

So if "the Church" (meaning the visible establishment in the Vatican) has been overtaken by Freemasons how can it be the true Catholic Church anymore?

Maria Regina · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2015, 03:36:04 PM »

We are in the End Times right now. Indeed, although we have been in the End Times since the Ascension of Christ, we are seeing more signs that the Second Coming of Christ is now more imminent than ever.

The current Pope of Rome is leading millions astray with his pontifications. Since few bishops and priests preach Christ, many devout souls pray in their homes as they live too far away to attend a Sunday Liturgy. Those devout souls who relocate to be closer to their parish risk not only failing to find a job, but also risk losing their church when the bishop or priest dies.

Several of my friends have lost their jobs or cannot find a job due to anti-Christian discrimination. For example, textbooks obligate teachers to teach that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, abortion, contraception, divorce, euthanasia, etc. are okay. Bakeries, florists, restaurants, parish reception halls, bed and board owners, and other businesses must cater to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ weddings or newly wed "couples" or risk losing their businesses. Hospitals are requiring that nurses participate in abortion, agree to not feed patients, leave newborn babies to die unattended, etc. Schools, pre-K, and elderly care centers require that students, patients, and employees get vaccinations and the annual flu shot even if they have religious objections due to the use of cells from aborted babies or other unsafe additives.

How many souls have already capitulated to the Beast of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr just to have a job to feed their families?

When Christ comes, will He find any faith on the earth?

Quote from: Matthew

Good guys can't use evil tactics like these; that makes us somewhat "weaker" at least in this world. We have to rely on God to be our strength. But don't worry -- God will prevail.

Yes, we must trust in God who is our hope and our strength. We must remember the stories in the Old Testament where God provided wheat, oil, and water to those who trusted in Him. We must also remember the story of the Seven Youths of Ephesus who were kept alive for over 100 years in a cave where they were buried by the Roman soldiers. God will provide.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2015, 10:48:00 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

We faithful Traditional Catholics can't fathom why many groups (including the leadership of the SSPX and many of its priests) want to "do a deal" with unconverted Modernist Rome.

I think the answer to this question is the same as that for people who ask why the GOP establishment never fights Obama but instead does deals with him: It's because they're one and the same.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2015, 11:54:58 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Matthew
We faithful Traditional Catholics can't fathom why many groups (including the leadership of the SSPX and many of its priests) want to "do a deal" with unconverted Modernist Rome.

I think the answer to this question is the same as that for people who ask why the GOP establishment never fights Obama but instead does deals with him: It's because they're one and the same.

If Bishop Fellay is one and the same as the Vatican bureaucracy, was he always a fake Trad or did he change abruptly because he was being blackmailed by a Vatican conspirator who was pretending to be a priest or bishop? If Bishop Fellay were a true Traditional, then when did Bishop Fellay stop walking the walk, preaching the Word in all seasons, and living the traditional life?

I remember being told that when people make the Ignatian Retreat, that they are encouraged to make a Life Confession detailing all the sins of their life from their Baptism. Now I see a potential problem. If a person goes to confession to a Communist KGB priest-agent who was ordered to enter the seminary and become a priest, bishop, and/or cardinal, that penitent could easily be blackmailed. The late Father Malachi Martin and others have revealed that the Jesuit Order is loaded with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. Sadly, most people who frequent the Jesuits become convinced to give up Traditionalism, which is labeled as being too rigid and paranoid, and then they are told to work in soup kitchens and to fight for social justice.

The real crime today is the prevalent Jesuit teaching that all folks who do good works go to heaven unless they commit some heinous crime.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #10 on:** December 26, 2015, 12:04:54 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

I would say there are two kinds of Traditional Catholics. Those that believe in cօռspιʀαcιҽs (e.g., the Freemasonic infiltration of the Church) and those who THINK they are Traditional (or those who like the aesthetic of "smells and bells".)

Bishop Fellay is in the latter category. That's the HEART OF THE MATTER why he's foolish enough to do a deal with Rome. He doesn't realize that putting himself under Rome is to put himself under the Freemasons (who, along with the devil, can't be trusted!)

I had this revelation after I learned that Fr. Trevor Burfitt, formed 100% under +Williamson, doesn't believe in the Freemasonic infiltration. According to someone's first-hand testimony, he laughed when they brought up the Freemasons. Now I know darn well what kind of formation Fr. Burfitt got, since I was at the same seminary for a few years. Perhaps this desire to be more "mainstream" and be more acceptable by the world has fueled his recent position (pro-Fellay, anti-Resistance)?

Archbishop Lefebvre even said that if he had it to do over again, he would have added ONE MORE modern error to the list of things his priests must know about. In addition to modernism and liberalism, he would have added Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

The true answer to this conundrum has little to do with a desire for acceptability or mainstream respectability. It is instead the Mystery of Abomination mentioned in the Book of Revelation. It is the specific sin of Judas Iscariot, what motivates a holy priest of God to betray his Master. Actually what Judas refused to accept was the Good News of the Kingdom of God, or the apocalyptic view of human history that makes the carrying of one's own Cross make sense.

Judas refused to believe that Our Lord is the Lord of History, that the Son of God made man could come again to defeat evil and banish death from the world. Judas refused to believe in the Second Coming and therefore thought that the Holy Cross of Christ were nonsense and that taking thirty pieces of silver from the Deicides made much more sense.

Bishop Fellay, like Judas, was once a holy priest in the Church of Rome. He was the bursar of the SSPX, and therefore, also like Judas, was the one who handled the money. Excessive fondness for money led both Judas and Bishop Fellay to deny the apocalyptic reality of human history, to deny the dogma of the Second Coming of the Lord. Therefore, exactly like Judas Iscariot, Bishop Fellay came to reject the Holy Cross of Christ as the most contemptible thing imaginable and then he finally betrayed his Lord for filthy lucre enticingly dangled before him by the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, in the form of his false friend Max Krah.

Such is the truth of the matter. Not at all pleasant, but this is the truth that explains Bishop Fellay. He had every opportunity to be loyal to his Lord, he was tested (by Mr. Krah and the GREC), he failed the test and, again like Judas, he was possessed by the devil and killed his own soul. He has become an apostate, someone doomed to wander aimlessly in the wilderness consumed forever by insane hatred against God and man.

This poor Franciscan has been extremely slow to condemn Bishop Fellay, giving him every conceivable benefit of the doubt and then some. But those clearly guilty of apostasy must be rejected because they have already cast themselves out from the Church of Rome. Such a one was Judas Iscariot, and such a one is the Judas-like Bishop Bernard Fellay.

No Catholic should want to walk in their burning shoes for anything.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** December 26, 2015, 08:16:40 AM »

For those who are skeptical of cօռspιʀαcιҽs, there are six words which are evidence of conspiracy,

Vatican II

"The State of Israel"

The first is the plot against the Church, the second, the plot against all mankind.