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Offline Matthew

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Trust is earned - loyalty is good
« on: November 04, 2014, 08:47:00 PM »
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  • If Fr. Smith is a dedicated Trad priest for many years, and then his organization changes its mission statement, should all trust or reputation for Fr. Smith be wiped clean?

    In other words, what happened to LOYALTY and BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?

    Remember, organizations are one thing. Individuals are another. An organization can let you down if a couple executives sell out, but that doesn't mean a given priest let you down in the slightest! Why blame him for something that is not his fault?

    If a priest sacrifices himself for years, traveling in inclement weather to bring the Sacraments, giving up sleep and comfort to serve souls, does he not EARN our trust, including giving him the benefit of the doubt that he hasn't "fallen" for whatever error is going around?

    Does it really cost us that much to assume he's good, until he proves otherwise?

    Honestly. It's not like we're going to catch the Ebola virus and we must "assume everyone is contaminated" lest we die.

    Seriously, I think I could survive a series of Masses and sermons by Fr. Vernoy, Fr. Rostand, Fr. Wegner, Fr. Pfluger, Fr. Taouk, and Fr. Portugal. I'm sure I'd still be a Catholic after attending all those Masses. So whatever liberalism and error tolerance is coursing through some quarters of the SSPX, it's not as deadly as Ebola! Therefore we can afford to give the benefit of the doubt until a priest proves otherwise by his speech and actions.

    Personally I think the biggest rift in the Resistance is

    Red-lighters
    vs
    Yellow-lighters

    Red lighters have written off the whole SSPX, so they mistrust every SSPX priest by default. So as an SSPX priest leaves the SSPX and enters the Resistance, a grilling is in order!

    Yellow lighters have a bit more hope for individual priests. They don't automatically assume a priest is "sold out" until proven otherwise. On the contrary, they have hope that priests will do the right thing, and support any priests who haven't openly attacked Tradition, embraced Bad Guy tactics, and become the enemy.
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    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 08:58:15 PM »
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  • Honestly Matthew, I haven't seen anyone question Fr. Zendejas' zeal or holiness.
    The question is if he's made a clean and full break from his current/former superiors. That question has not been answered. If he's unsure, he can certainly "go independent" until he becomes sure. There was a comment on the other forum about the divide being between those that remember Fr. from way back, and those who only met him recently. That speaks to inner conflict, probably which his superiors are creating.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 09:06:54 PM »
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  • Is a priest an inferior or a superior?

    The Faith comes first, yes, so I won't submit myself to Father Bob. Or even a compromised priest in the Indult.

    Once again, Trads have gotten TOO GOOD at judging their priests and just about everyone else. So much so, that they have forgotten that ideally we shouldn't be judging our priests, let alone priest-shopping.

    But how picky are we allowed to be? How far are we allowed to go in judging our priests?

    Isn't the Faith what matters? Have we lost sight of this? Are we unable to see the forest because of all the trees?

    Our Lord said to judge a tree by its fruits. When you encounter a priest who teaches Catholic doctrine and has no obvious faults, you should praise God and by all means accept him! Who cares what group he's loyal to. Trad groups are highly overrated. As long as he's loyal to God first and foremost, obeying Tradition and the timeless Catholic Faith, everything else is secondary.
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