*sigh* is this something like the curse of being smart -- everyone around you seems annoyingly stupid?
In this case, it's the curse of being stable and "not-going-anywhere". You see websites start, you see them die. Again and again. It's like living life as a thousand-year-old vampire. Everyone you know dies, and then you make new friends and 70 years later they die too. The cycle repeats again and again over the ages.
Is it THAT special or difficult to keep a website going for, say, 3 decades?
Someone was looking for the list of "organizations that made a deal with Rome and are now neutralized". They asked on Facebook if anyone had the list. I guess it would have been better for the owner of TrueTrad to post it all on CathInfo -- at least then it would all still be around.
I should make a list myself: "Trad sites that flourished for a while, and are now gone."
This is what I got from True Trad today 19th December:
http://www.truetrad.com/index.php/the-dead What has happened to other "traditionalist" organizations who made an agreement with Rome?
The surest way to predict the SSPX's future if it makes an agreement with Rome is probably this: to simply consider what has become of other nine "traditionalist" organizations that compromised with Rome by entering into agreements similar to the one which the SSPX is now considering.
If you are not familiar with some of these so-called "traditionalist" organizations, we beg you to educate yourself now. It is eye-opening to see what has since become of them! Rome's gameplan is ultra-clear: to convert all traditionalists to the New Religion. They do this by first promising us traditionalists "the world" (in order to forge an agreement); but eventually Rome inevitably breaks the agreements by demanding continual movements into the novus ordo. Read on:
"Events and experience have proven that once you have signed on, Rome says, 'Shut up.’”
(Bishop Fellay in 2004, when he was still strong. Source He was talking about the same organizations below that have made deals with Rome, and have now suffered for it.)
This is an important but longer article. Here is a Table of Contents:
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1. The Good Shepherd Institute
2. The Fraternity (Society) of Saint Peter
3. The Society of St. John Marie Vianney in Campos, Brazil (in Portuguese)
3.1. Bishop Rifan: A perfect example of the slippery slope of compromise:
4. The Institute of St. Phillip Neri
5. The Institute of Christ the King
6. Dom Gerard and the Benedictine Monastery of Le Barroux
7. "The Redemptorists"
8. "Mater Ecclesiae"
9. The Sisters of the "Oasis de Jesus Sacerdote"
10. We could actually include another group...
11. Do you see the pattern of Rome's gameplan?
1. The Good Shepherd Institute
Formed in 2006 by some SSPX priests who left to make an agreement with modernist Rome,the Institute is now feeling the iron fist of that same lying Rome. Here are some examples of what Rome (the Ecclesia Dei Commission) has now done to the Institute, as the result of a canonical visit:
Rome demanded that the "Good Shepherd Institute integrate into its studies the magisterium of Vatican II and of recent/current Popes."
Rome also warned them: "It should suffice simply to define this form [i.e. the Traditional Mass] as 'the rite proper to the Institute', without speaking of 'exclusivity'"
Rome also added: "...more than merely criticizing the Second Vatican Council, even when done in a 'serious and constructive' way, the efforts of teachers should focus on the transmission of the entire patrimony of the Church, emphasizing the hermeneutics of renewal in continuity and taking for supporting the integrity of Catholic doctrine expounded by the Catechism of the Catholic Church"
(English source for the above quotes here; French original: here)
Read more about the murder of the Good Shepherd Institute in this great article. Seeing the demise of his organization after foolishly trusting Rome, its superior general was honest enough to warn the SSPX:
"The Society of Saint Pius X must know instinctively that it will be treated tomorrow as we are treated today."
We put the Good Shepherd Institute first in this list not because it is the largest "traditional" organization to have made a deal, but because it is the most recent example of Rome showing how consistently it breaks agreements and finally destroys Tradition. Rome has still not changed one bit since the days of Vatican II; its Modernism has perhaps become more subtle and smooth under Pope Benedict, but it is just as strong as ever.
2. The Fraternity (Society) of Saint Peter
It was formed in 1988 by 16 priests who left the SSPX because they disagreed with Arch. Lefebvre's consecration of four bishops without papal approval. These men thought they could have "Catholic Tradition" at the same time as being in "full communion with Rome" (exactly what Bishop Fellay is now claiming the SSPX should do). Well, the FSSP has now experienced how Rome inevitably treats those who are foolish enough to make a compromise deal with it. Since the days of the FSSP's founding, Rome has done the following to them:
Demanded that the FSSP priests concelebrate the novus ordo Mass at least once per year (on Holy Thursday's chrismal Mass)
Demanded eleven years after its founding that the FSSP's priests “must celebrate with the postconciliar [novus ordo] missal if, by chance, a celebration takes place in a community which uses the modern Roman Rite” (
http://latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_1999_FA_Woods.html). This was demanded even though at the time of its founding in 1988, the FSSP was granted the "exclusive use" of the traditional Mass! (Ibid) Notice: eleven years. It may take time, it may not - but eventually modernist Rome will make all its sheep fall in line.
Demanded that the FSSP allow its priests the right to say the novus ordo Mass if they so desire (agreement made in 2000). Because of the deterioration of the formation of Society of St. Peter priests, some of its priests wanted to say the new mass on other occasions also, and Cardinal Hoyos forbade the society’s leadership from preventing this. (
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/negotiations.htm)
Demanded that the FSSP not criticize the New Mass, and even admit that the New Mass is the official rite of the Church - something that a traditional Catholic would never agree to.
Removed and replaced the FSSP's superiors with men who were more to its liking: About twelve years after the FSSP's founding and initial agreement with Rome, Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, acting as head of Ecclesia Dei, imposed his own choice of superior general on that society and his own choice of rectors to replace the two that the same cardinal ordered removed from their positions in charge of that society’s two seminaries. (
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/negotiations.htm)
Here is a revealing quote from Fr. Gabet, former North American District Superior of the FSSP, which reveals the all but novus ordo mentality:
"We see Vatican II, and we look at those docuмents, and we see them, like Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, in light of Tradition. It is not just Vatican II, but it is all the councils. Vatican II is certainly one of them — from Nicea all the way to Vatican II." Source: This interview at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1610361/postsThese and other forced concessions by the FSSP were a result of the compromise mentality it had since its very beginning - a compromise mentality which Rome fully took advantage of. This great article by some of their own seminarians, written just 5 years after the Fraternity of St. Peter founding, shows the tremendous problems that arise from a compromise mentality. What would they have written now, 20+ years later! Dear Lord, please prevent the SSPX from such a fate!
3. The Society of St. John Marie Vianney in Campos, Brazil (in Portuguese)
The Dominican "theologian of the papal household," Fr. Georges Cottier, regarding the fact that the Campos priests were not being required to offer the new mass at the time they made their agreement with Rome, candidly commented that: “Little by little we must expect [the Campos priests to take] other steps: for example, that they also participate in the reformed rite. However, we must not be in a hurry.” Quoting an interview by Avvenire (Jan. 19, 2002), quoted in Si Si No No, September 2002 (here)
3.1. Bishop Rifan: A perfect example of the slippery slope of compromise:
(To read more about the gradual fall of Bishop Rifan, read this interview at the Angelus website, from the days when Bishop Fellay still spoke fairly clearly and strongly. The Angelus article is still available even as of June 8, 2012)
A few months before his consecration, Bishop Rifan said: "I have no problem with celebrating the New Mass, but I don't do it because it would cause trouble to the faithful." (from that same nterview with Bishop Fellay) Well, a short time later, Bishop Rifan began to (and still does) concelebrate the new mass.
http://gloria.tv/?media=166615Bishop Rifan defends concelebrating the new mass as “normal, correct, and good” and, according to Bishop Rifan, concelebrating the new mass is required by “doctrinal principles”.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/08/note-on-concelebration-of-holy-mass-in.html (The Society of St. John Marie Vianney's webpage is Portugeese, but you can at least read the English Wikipedia page for whatever that's worth...)
Dr. David Allen White, the traditional Catholic professor who is a famed master of literature, wrote this excellent letter to the compromising priests of Campos, pleading with them to not trust Rome. They ignored him.
4. The Institute of St. Phillip Neri
Homepage:
http://www.institut-philipp-neri.de/ Founded in 2003 by ex-SSPX members and a priest who had come to the SSPX and worked with them for six years. Their seminarians have been trained in conciliar (novus ordo) church universities such as the Angelicuм in Rome.
http://www.ecclesiadei.nl/docs/fiuv03_neri.html.
We will add more about this Institute in the future.
5. The Institute of Christ the King
Msgr. Michael Schmitz, who is vicar general and provincial superior of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest (ICKSP) in the U.S, says that the Institute teaches that all of Vatican II’s teachings, including concerning religious liberty and ecuмenism, are in harmony with the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church. We quote him:
"So, it is not possible that there is a contradiction between Church docuмents that have a high official character. We try to train our seminarians to understand that."
An interview asked Msgr Schmitz, "[So] what you ... are saying is that if an individual cannot come to harmonize the teachings of religious liberty and ecuмenism, then the problem is not with the Church, but with your lack of understanding? ". Msgr. Schmitz answered, "Yes. Exactly."
(Source for these quotes: this article or this one)
Institute of Christ the King priests are willing to concelebrate the new mass with local bishops who ask them to do so. See, SSPX Canadian District Magazine, Convictions, Issue 16, March 2009, p.26, quoting Institute founder and Prior General, Msgr. Gilles Wach, from Fideliter #187.
6. Dom Gerard and the Benedictine Monastery of Le Barroux
“[T]he monastery of Le Barroux [which made its agreement with the Vatican in 1988] … today defends the false religious liberty it attacked yesterday”. Si Si No No, September 2002, at
http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/SiSiNoNo/2002_September/Ambiguous_Accord.htm
The new mass (as well as the Traditional Mass) is now said at the former-Traditionalist monastery of Le Barroux.
http://www.ecclesiadei.nl/docs/fiuv03_neri.html7. "The Redemptorists"
The former "Redemptorists" of Papa Stronsay, Scotland began in 1987 when Archbishop Lefebvre had officially blessed the undertaking of the foundation. They worked in full cooperation with the SSPX, until their compromising superior quietly made a deal with Rome so that they would be "recognized" by Rome. Only a few brave Redemptorists refused the compromise, and the SSPX keeps these few under its wing. As for the rest of the compromisers who "went with Rome":
They have begun using the new Good Friday prayer for the Jєωs which was written by Pope Benedict XVI in order to avoid offending the Jєωs.
http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2008/02/solemn-prayers-of-good-friday.html They now send their seminarians to the Society of St. Peter, to receive an seriously compromised indult-mentality formation.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.269653879753163.81399.161482623903623&type=3 When they made their agreement with Rome, the Transalpine Redemptorists were told that they can no longer call themselves "Redemptorists" or "the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer" but instead, "The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (F.SS.R.)"
http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2008/07/interview-update-i.html On August 15, 2012, this group was granted a clerical institute of diocesan right. While this sounds like a great thing, what this actually does is to put the group under the control of the local bishop in the same way that other religous orders are. This is a far cry from the very special protections needed if a "traditionalist" order hopes to survive the attacks of the rabidly liberal diocesan bishops. The needed protection would be one which would make the order completely exempt from interference of (at least) the local bishops. (Source: here)
8. "Mater Ecclesiae"
Materi Ecclesia was set up back in the 1980's by Pope JPII, in order to lure seminarians away from Econe. Unfortunately, some of them took the bait and left. Here is an excerpt which describes the fate of all those who did so. It is taken from the end of this article:
"...[W]e are giving here below the extracts from a letter written by a seminarian who left Ecône to join the seminary Mater Ecclesiae, at Rome, an establishment desired by the Holy Father and opened by him on October 15th, 1986, and protected by a commission of Cardinals. Mater Ecclesiae was designed, you will remember, to be a Seminary to receive seminarians who left Ecône and 'any others who felt like them.' [Here is his letter:]
How sorry I am! Yes! I have everything, absolutely everything to be sorry about in this 'enterprise' of Mater Ecclesiae. Firstly my being sent away for having made insistent requests in favour; for example, of more frequent Tridentine Masses, the wearing of ecclesiastical dress, the correction within the seminary of the errors of the courses being taught us at the Angelicuм University...
"The reply to these requests, repeated many times, was silence, and above all, the steady and by now complete realigning of the House and of each of the seminarians on Modernist Rome. The whole enterprise is the laughing-stock of the progressives, with the French bishops at their head, including some of the most traditional!
"Day by day we saw the situation growing worse, the seminarians taking off their habit, seminarians getting themselves accepted by the bishops by renouncing everything, being ready for anything…Then there came the time of sanctions when all those who had been given the task of helping us were ordered by the authorities to look after us no longer…Henceforth for anyone who wanted nothing to do with the bishops of France or anywhere else, there is absolutely no further solution…Vagus…we are from now on wandering clerics, left hanging in the void.
“And the Pope did nothing, and no doubt next year the House Mater Ecclesiae will be closed, which may well be no bad thing.
"Several times I had the occasion to say either to Cardinal Ratzinger or to certain Monsignori of the Curia that, alas, we were forced to admit that Archbishop: Lefebvre was right on most questions and that I was wrong.
"It causes me much suffering to write you these lines as I think of my idiocy in having abandoned Ecône despite your advice, the cowardice of the authorities (I am weighing my words) when it comes to Tradition and their similar cowardice when it comes to 'ecuмenism' towards the others, the abandoning and denial on the part of almost all those who had undertaken never to let go…everything, yes, absolutely everything, fills me with regret!"
Letter from an ex-SSPX seminarian. Rome June 2. 1988.
9. The Sisters of the "Oasis de Jesus Sacerdote"
The Oasis de Jesus Sacerdote was a group of Traditionalist sisters gathered together by a certain Fr. Munoz, who had apparently given the sisters the mission to be victim souls in suffering for the good of priests. The group, including Munoz, were for a long time very friendly with the SSPX and 100% traditional. Around 2007, a novus ordo bishop convinced this Fr. Munoz to bring the organization under his "protection", promising they would not have to change anything. Some of the sisters, smelling trouble, refused to go along with the new organization and thankfully put themselves under Bishop de Galarreta. The others who went with the novus ordo bishop are now saying the "Luminous Mysteries" of the Rosary; although this is a tiny compromise, Rome's foot is "in the door". They are undoubtedly making other compromises; we will add more information about this organization in the future.
10. We could actually include another group...
One of readers mentioned that one could add a 10th group to the above list: those groups who have entered the Catholic Church, trusting to learn the Faith and become solid Catholics, but who were then betrayed by Modern Rome and instead, made into little modernists. This group would include, for example, the "Traditional Anglican Communion" - a group of Anglicans who knocked on Rome's door in 1991. This group really contained Anglicans who wanted to imbible True Catholic Tradition. However, it is a long story that the true Catholics amongst this group have been absorbed by the NewModernistChurch and their tradition and their attachment to True Roman tradition has been smashed. There have been other groups as well who have approached Rome and wanted to convert, to whom Rome responded with, "Oh no, it is no longer necessary to convert!"
11. Do you see the pattern of Rome's gameplan?
By reading the above list of compromised organizations, a pattern is clearly seen.
An organization either begins with a "compromise mentality", or else develops one (such as the SSPX leadership, many priests, and many faithful are now doing!)
This mentality progresses into the desire to be in "full communion" with Rome even if it means concessions on important matters. The organization's leaders develop an overconfidence in their ability to defend against the crushing power of modernist Rome, as well as a misplaced trust in Rome's sincerity. They forget the last 20 years of history.
An agreement is made. Concessions are made by the organization.
There is a waiting period before Rome does anything. Rome is patient. It might be 10 years!
Demands begin to be made. Changes. A backing down from the former "hardliner" stance. New leadership is put in. The new leaders lack the spirit of the founders. Softening on condemnations of the errors of Vatican II, the New Mass, etc.
The organization begins to lose its focus, zeal, and begins to crumble.
Eventually there will is very little substantial difference between it and the New Church.
We hope that you see this pattern, because Pope Benedict and the modernist hierachy certainly do! In his March 10, 2009 letter to the world’s bishops, the pope stated:
"I myself saw, in the years after 1988, how the return of communities which had been separated from Rome changed their interior attitudes; I saw how returning to the bigger and broader Church enabled them to move beyond one-sided positions and broke down rigidity so that positive energies could emerge for the whole." (read the article on the Vatican website)
Again: We at TrueTrad believe the root cause of all of this weakness and foolishness by these "traditionalist" organizations is the compromise mentality". We trads either simply forget that Rome has not and will not change its Modernism. We forget what we are fighting for, and/or fail to teach our children the situation we are in. Eventually, we let Rome's patience win: "I must finally give in on some (important) points, in order to convince Rome to 'let me back into the Church'."
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