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« on: April 15, 2014, 11:02:55 AM »
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  • Some, if not all of the “resistance” priests, including Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, are telling us not to attend SSPX Masses.  We are told, furthermore, not to attend  masses offered by Ecclesia Dei communities.  Nor are we to attend Sede masses.  Of course, we should not attend NO masses either.  That goes without saying.
    I reprinted a tract below, published by Christian Renewal in Clovis, CA.
    Please read all the promises recorded therein.  If true, it would appear that those of us who no longer attend any of the aforementioned kinds of Mass celebrations miss out on quite a bit.  The writer of this tract informs us, for example, that assisting devoutly at one "Holy Mass" here on earth is worth more than all the Masses that may be said for us after we pass.  Also that each Mass we attend here diminishes our temporal punishment in Purgatory.  Are these teachings supported by solid Catholic theology?  If so, then some of us may be sacrificing graces which we need for our eternal salvation.  Some of you with good theological formation may be able to help us out here:  


    Tremendous Value Of The Holy Mass
    At the hour of death the holy Masses you have heard devoutly will be your greatest consolation.
    He forgives you all the venial sins which you are determined to avoid. He forgives you all your unknown sins which you never confessed. The power of Satan over you is diminished.
    Every Mass will go with you to Judgment and will plead for pardon for you.
    By every Mass you can diminish the temporal punishment due to your sins, more or less, according to your fervour.
    By devoutly assisting at Holy Mass you render the greatest homage possible to the Sacred Humanity of Our Lord.
    Through the Holy Sacrifice, Our Lord Jesus Christ supplies for many of your negligences and omissions.
    By piously hearing Holy Mass you afford the Souls in Purgatory the greatest possible relief.
    One Holy Mass heard during your life will be of more benefit to you than many heard for you after your death.
    Through Holy Mass you are preserved from many dangers and misfortunes which would otherwise have befallen you. You shorten your Purgatory by every Mass.
    During Holy Mass you kneel amid a multitude of holy Angels, who are present at the Adorable Sacrifice with reverential awe.
    Through Holy Mass you are blessed in your temporal goods and affairs.
    When you hear Holy Mass devoutly, offering it to Almighty God in honour of any particular Saint or Angel, thanking God for the favours bestowed on him, etc., etc., you afford that Saint or Angel a new degree of honour, joy and happiness, and draw his special love and protection on yourself.
    Every time you assist at Holy Mass, besides other intentions, you should offer it in honour of the Saint of the day,

     

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    « Reply #1 on: April 15, 2014, 11:32:41 AM »
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  • Thank you so much for posting the benefits of the Holy Mass. If I had things as I liked, I would go to mass every day, but I can only go on Sunday's, and even then I spend money which must be used for other things so I can get to mass. The benefits of the mass are immense, and one of the four reasons why we ought to go to mass is to make petition to God for our needs. If we petition God to give us the grace to avoid sin until the next mass, then we do well, and then at the next mass petition for the same thing again, and on and on. I know the resistance tells people to avoid any mass that is not a resistance mass, but that is the actions of a cult. It is simply not Catholic to believe that the church and the mass is confined to the resistance.

    I could say much more but out of respect for the sensibilities of my Catholic friends I stop here.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 15, 2014, 01:43:02 PM »
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  • Attending Holy Mass should be a top priority for any loyal Roman Catholic.  I would lose total credibility on any priest that discourages the faithful to attend a validly ordained Mass. The sacrifice of Holy Mass is of most importance to our souls, in order to take the Blessed Sacrament. This is Christ Himself into our bodies.

    Not enough can be said on the importance of taking the Holy Eucharist, the very Blood and Body of Our Lord. This is how our human nature unites with the human nature of God Himself. I agree that discouraging the faithful to attend any non Resistance Mass seems cultish. Not Catholic. I for one will continue to attend Mass regardless. I will not miss the great miracle iof transubstation.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 15, 2014, 02:22:35 PM »
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    Thank you so much for posting the benefits of the Holy Mass. If I had things as I liked, I would go to mass every day, but I can only go on Sunday's, and even then I spend money which must be used for other things so I can get to mass. The benefits of the mass are immense, and one of the four reasons why we ought to go to mass is to make petition to God for our needs. If we petition God to give us the grace to avoid sin until the next mass, then we do well, and then at the next mass petition for the same thing again, and on and on. I know the resistance tells people to avoid any mass that is not a resistance mass, but that is the actions of a cult. It is simply not Catholic to believe that the church and the mass is confined to the resistance.

    I could say much more but out of respect for the sensibilities of my Catholic friends I stop here.


    Resistance priests do not say to only go to a resistance priest for Sacraments.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 15, 2014, 03:03:57 PM »
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  • Tiffany:
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    Resistance priests do not say to only go to a resistance priest for Sacraments.


    No, that is true.  But they do suggest rather firmly that we not go to sede Masses or to FSSP masses i.e. Ecclesiae Dei groups.  They justify this position based upon what the founder of SSPX recommended.  In fact, ABL said that those who attend indult or FSSP masses are "traitors."  If you take these traditional groups off the grid of allowable Masses, then we are left with a pretty small residual number of Tridentine Masses we may attend.  So-called "independent" traditional priests, with no ties to either a NO diocese, to SSPX or to any of the indult apostolates, are in rather short supply from our vantage point.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 15, 2014, 03:13:46 PM »
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    one of the four reasons why we ought to go to mass is to make petition to God for our needs. If we petition God to give us the grace to avoid sin until the next mass, then we do well, and then at the next mass petition for the same thing again, and on and on.



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    ACT OF OBLATION BEFORE HOLY MASS
    Eternal Father, I offer Thee the sacrifice wherein Thy dear Son Jesus
    offered Himself upon the Cross and which He now renews upon this altar,
    to adore Thee and to render to Thee that honour which is Thy due, acknowledging Thy supreme dominion over all things and their absolute dependence on Thee, for Thou art our first beginning and our last end;
    to give Thee thanks for countless benefits received;
    to appease Thy justice provoked to anger by so many sins, and to offer Thee worthy satisfaction for the same;
    and finally to implore Thy grace and mercy for myself, for all those who are in tribulation and distress,
    for all poor sinners, for the whole world and for the blessed souls in purgatory.
    Amen.



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    A Prayer of most humble Devotion to the Holy Spirit, to be offered before hearing Holy Mass, in order to implore His aid

    Come, O Holy Spirit, and with Thy most holy grace gather together, I beseech of Thee, all the faculties and all the affections of my soul, so that, with devout attention and with my whole heart, I may be able to attend this holy Mass, and obtain thereby those benefits for which, albeit unworthy, I ardently hope, to the greater glory of God and the benefit of my own soul, through the goodness and compassion of the same my Lord and God. Amen.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 16, 2014, 12:54:16 AM »
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    Thank you so much for posting the benefits of the Holy Mass. If I had things as I liked, I would go to mass every day, but I can only go on Sunday's, and even then I spend money which must be used for other things so I can get to mass. The benefits of the mass are immense, and one of the four reasons why we ought to go to mass is to make petition to God for our needs. If we petition God to give us the grace to avoid sin until the next mass, then we do well, and then at the next mass petition for the same thing again, and on and on. I know the resistance tells people to avoid any mass that is not a resistance mass, but that is the actions of a cult. It is simply not Catholic to believe that the church and the mass is confined to the resistance.

    I could say much more but out of respect for the sensibilities of my Catholic friends I stop here.

    There is astory from the Fathers of the Desert. One of the brothers lived around eight miles from his source of water. As he was walking to the well he was planning on moving his cell closer to the well. He heard a noise behind him and as he looked he saw an angel following behind with a notebook and a pen.
    "What is that you are writing?" he asked the angel.
    "God sent me to count the footsteps you take as you go to the well." replied the angel.
    With that the brother moved his cell twelve miles from the well.
    The same applies with going to mass.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 16, 2014, 09:01:39 AM »
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    We are told, furthermore, not to attend  masses offered by Ecclesia Dei communities.  Nor are we to attend Sede masses.  Of course, we should not attend NO masses either.  That goes without saying.


    Yes this is something that I've often considered especially when traveling.  I would put independants (sede or resistance) first with a green light; SSPX with a yellow light; FSSP indult parishes with a flashing yellow light and regular indult and NO a red light (Signal light analogy thanks to Fr. Ringrose).  


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    « Reply #8 on: April 16, 2014, 10:18:46 AM »
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  • The problem is that we cannot attend the Mass where there has been a compromise made (even a valid Traditional Mass). That severely limits where we can go. Yes, the Mass gives us great spiritual graces, of course, but we receive more graces in these times by standing firm for the Faith, without compromise. God is putting us to the test and we must maintain that the Faith comes first.
     
    The Ecclesia Dei communities and the SSPX have all compromised. It is very clear; we must not attend.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 10:41:45 AM »
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    Thank you so much for posting the benefits of the Holy Mass. If I had things as I liked, I would go to mass every day, but I can only go on Sunday's, and even then I spend money which must be used for other things so I can get to mass. The benefits of the mass are immense, and one of the four reasons why we ought to go to mass is to make petition to God for our needs. If we petition God to give us the grace to avoid sin until the next mass, then we do well, and then at the next mass petition for the same thing again, and on and on. I know the resistance tells people to avoid any mass that is not a resistance mass, but that is the actions of a cult. It is simply not Catholic to believe that the church and the mass is confined to the resistance.

    I could say much more but out of respect for the sensibilities of my Catholic friends I stop here.


    It is not "the actions of a cult" to believe that the church and the mass is confined to the resistance. The Resistance is the only place that is visibly continuing on with the complete truths of traditional Catholic faith.

    The Resistance understands that the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church (as Abp. Lefebvre declared) and that we can have nothing to do with it. The Resistance priests are carrying on with the teachings of Abp. Lefebvre and consequently the Catholic faith handed down from Christ.

    All the traditional communities that accept the new mass as legitimate have compromised. Where can we attend Mass then? We can attend only at the resistance Mass when available. For those that understand the situation, to go anywhere else would be a sin.


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    « Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 11:42:37 AM »
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    The Ecclesia Dei communities and the SSPX have all compromised. It is very clear; we must not attend.


    This is the position we have taken.  I am not going to lecture others for doing differently.  However, for us, obedience to the Faith, (as we perceive it), is greater than obedience to Mass attendance.  We pay a price by not being able to attend daily Mass, particularly in light of the fact that we have here in our area an sspx chapel, an FSSP chapel, and a sede chapel within easy driving distance.  But that is the way it must be for now.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 12:35:57 PM »
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  • I am blessed by the good God and His Holy Mother to live (at least when I am home, although I typically travel for many months a year,) close enough to an SSPX chapel to attend Mass almost daily. The value and worth of daily Mass and daily communion is a priceless grace, a pearl of great price, especially in these times, for which I am and will remain eternally grateful to the good Lord.

    For my part, I cannot agree with the Resistance priests telling the faithful to stay away from attendance at an Society chapel, at least when none of them are available, especially given their small number in comparison to the faithful all over the world. In practice, that means Mass about once in every several months if not less for many folk who were hitherto accustomed to Mass at least weekly if not daily. One needs a very weighty reason for such a thing.

    There is no basis at all for such a dogmatic position, and IMO it would cost the soul who puts into practice dearly. So I don't agree with that, although I would probably myself attend a Resistance chapel happily if I lived near one, but perhaps not where the priest was so unreasonably imposing about mainstream SSPX attendance.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 02:46:39 PM »
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    I am blessed by the good God and His Holy Mother to live (at least when I am home, although I typically travel for many months a year,) close enough to an SSPX chapel to attend Mass almost daily. The value and worth of daily Mass and daily communion is a priceless grace, a pearl of great price, especially in these times, for which I am and will remain eternally grateful to the good Lord.

    For my part, I cannot agree with the Resistance priests telling the faithful to stay away from attendance at an Society chapel, at least when none of them are available, especially given their small number in comparison to the faithful all over the world. In practice, that means Mass about once in every several months if not less for many folk who were hitherto accustomed to Mass at least weekly if not daily. One needs a very weighty reason for such a thing.

    There is no basis at all for such a dogmatic position, and IMO it would cost the soul who puts into practice dearly. So I don't agree with that, although I would probably myself attend a Resistance chapel happily if I lived near one, but perhaps not where the priest was so unreasonably imposing about mainstream SSPX attendance.


    There is a very weighty reason for not attending the SSPX chapels; the SSPX has changed its doctrine.

    Personally, by taking a stand and leaving the SSPX, my faith and that of my family has been strengthened and has in no way declined.  We are taking a stand against the errors and God is blessing us for it. My children want to listen to sermons everyday and they are learning so much about the Faith and the importance of standing up for the truth. We left without hope of ever receiving Mass again but somehow God is providing us with the graces necessary for us to continue on.

    The Resistance priests advise that "generally" people should not attend the SSPX any longer but that everyone has to come to the full understanding of the situation before they should leave. I don't think that that is unreasonable.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 19, 2014, 11:19:38 AM »
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    April 13.—ST. HERMENEGILD, Martyr.

    LEOVIGILD, King of the Visigoths, had two sons, Hermenegild and Recared, who reigned conjointly with him. All three were Arians, but Hermenegild married a. zealous Catholic, the daughter of Sigebert, Ring of France, and by her holy example was converted to the faith. His father, on hearing the news, denounced him as a traitor, and marched to seize his person. Hermenegild tried to rally the Catholics of Spain in his defence, but they were too weak to make any stand, and, after a two years fruitless struggle, he surrendered on the assurance of a free pardon. When safely in the royal camp, the king had him loaded with fetters and cast into a foul dungeon at Seville. Tortures and bribes were in turn employed to shake his faith, but Hermenegild wrote to his father that he held the crown as nothing, and preferred to lose sceptre and life rather than betray the truth of God. At length, on Easter night, an Arian bishop entered his cell, and promised him his father's pardon if he would but receive Communion at his hands. Hermenegild indignantly rejected the offer, and knelt with joy for his depth-stroke. The same night a light streaming from his cell told the Christians who were watching near that the martyr had won his crown, and was keeping his Easter with the Saints in glory.

    Leovigild on his death-bed, though still an Arian, bade Recared seek out St. Leander, whom he had himself cruelly persecuted, and, following Hermenegild's example, be received by him into the Church. Recared did so, and on his father's death labored so earnestly for the extirpation of Arianism that he brought over the whole nation of the Visigoths to the Church. "Nor is it to be wondered," says St. Gregory, "that he came thus to be a preacher of the true faith, seeing that he was brother of a martyr, whose merits did help him to bring so many into the lap of God's Church."

    Reflection.—St. Hermenegild teaches us that constancy and sacrifice are the best arguments for the Faith, and the surest way to win souls to God.

    Saint Hermenegild would rather have died than receive Our Blessed Lord from a heretic.

    How many graces could he have received, had he just given in and taken the Blessed Sacrament from the Arian priest?

    There are many indult masses that share their churches with the Novus Ordo. Who knows which hosts they're giving to people if they share the tabernacle?

    I recently went to an indult funeral not long ago, and they had this in the back corner of the church (of course, it was the Bishop's own private chapel, and they were "graciously" sharing it with these poor, misled folks.)



    If you want to endure such horrific things, by all means, commit indultery.
    Matthew 5:37

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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Some, if not all of the “resistance” priests, including Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, are telling us not to attend SSPX Masses.  We are told, furthermore, not to attend  masses offered by Ecclesia Dei communities.  Nor are we to attend Sede masses.  Of course, we should not attend NO masses either.  That goes without saying.
    I reprinted a tract below, published by Christian Renewal in Clovis, CA.
    Please read all the promises recorded therein.  If true, it would appear that those of us who no longer attend any of the aforementioned kinds of Mass celebrations miss out on quite a bit.  The writer of this tract informs us, for example, that assisting devoutly at one "Holy Mass" here on earth is worth more than all the Masses that may be said for us after we pass.  Also that each Mass we attend here diminishes our temporal punishment in Purgatory.  Are these teachings supported by solid Catholic theology?  If so, then some of us may be sacrificing graces which we need for our eternal salvation.  Some of you with good theological formation may be able to help us out here:  


    Tremendous Value Of The Holy Mass
    At the hour of death the holy Masses you have heard devoutly will be your greatest consolation.
    He forgives you all the venial sins which you are determined to avoid. He forgives you all your unknown sins which you never confessed. The power of Satan over you is diminished.
    Every Mass will go with you to Judgment and will plead for pardon for you.
    By every Mass you can diminish the temporal punishment due to your sins, more or less, according to your fervour.
    By devoutly assisting at Holy Mass you render the greatest homage possible to the Sacred Humanity of Our Lord.
    Through the Holy Sacrifice, Our Lord Jesus Christ supplies for many of your negligences and omissions.
    By piously hearing Holy Mass you afford the Souls in Purgatory the greatest possible relief.
    One Holy Mass heard during your life will be of more benefit to you than many heard for you after your death.
    Through Holy Mass you are preserved from many dangers and misfortunes which would otherwise have befallen you. You shorten your Purgatory by every Mass.
    During Holy Mass you kneel amid a multitude of holy Angels, who are present at the Adorable Sacrifice with reverential awe.
    Through Holy Mass you are blessed in your temporal goods and affairs.
    When you hear Holy Mass devoutly, offering it to Almighty God in honour of any particular Saint or Angel, thanking God for the favours bestowed on him, etc., etc., you afford that Saint or Angel a new degree of honour, joy and happiness, and draw his special love and protection on yourself.
    Every time you assist at Holy Mass, besides other intentions, you should offer it in honour of the Saint of the day,


     


     Thank-you , Hollingsworth. This is a beautiful quote especially at this time of year.
    We must bear in mind that Fathers Hewko and Pfeiffer are not saying do not attend Mass. They are saying "do not attend a phony mass-- do not attend a mass being said by people who have accepted a protestant notion of the Catholic Mass". Archbishop Lefebvre, early in the battle against the Vatican Council and the Novus ordo "Mass", was begged by emissaries from Rome to offer "just one Mass" (a novus ordo mass). " Just celebrate with us ONE Novus Ordo mass-- just one, that's all we ask, Monsignor; and all the 'troubles' (he was facing suspension at the time) of the Society (of Saint Pius X) will go away!"  What a powerful, persuasive  argument to the archbishop to celebrate justy one lousy, tiny, teeny-weeny, little mass. They could have done it hidden away, out of the limelight, away from the glare of the cameras, without any rabble-rousing rhetoric.
        And the Archbishop, strengthened by the choirs of Angels and Archangels, mindful of his mission as a bishop "to pass on that which I have received", the heir of two thousand years of Catholic saints and martyrs, followed Our Lord Jesus Christ when Satan brought him to the top of the mountain and said "All of this will I give you if you will just bow down and worship me!"
    WOW!
        There would be no worshipping Satan for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. He refused to say "just one novus ordo mass". His reply was "If the novus ordo mass is evil, I cannot, and will not, celebrate it!"

        Now the SSPX says , as Father Goldady said this past week, that "you can attend the Novus Ordo Mass and fulfill your Sunday obligation!"  After forty years of fighting the battle against "this evil protestant (bastard is what ABL called it) mass", the  "new" Society of St Pius X says you can fulfill your Sunday obligation by going there. ("Of course, it fulfills the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law, we say", Fr. Goldady added).
        Yes, because they are trying to get the faithful to accept the new pres-by-ters into the Ridgefield Retreat House, and convince them that there is no need for conditional ordination of these pres-by-ters, the party line HAS to be that the masses these pres-by-ters have been saying for the past 25-40 years have been valid! If they haven't been saying valid masses, perhaps they weren't really priests; if they are not priests, what are you  doing bringing them onto our altars and into our confessionals?

        So, we must understand clearly the CONTEXT of the beautiful post above, a reprint from Christian Renewal, on The Value of the Holy Mass:
         "Through the Holy Sacrifice .. you kneel amid a multitude of Holy Angels..." Well, the Archbishop certainly did not believe that there were any holy angels at the bastard masses of the novus ordo; nor are there any at the masses in SSPX chapels said by pres-by-ters; nor are there any holy angels at SSPX Masses where they pray "in unison with Bergoglio", who has said that jews, atheists, communists, all go to heaven if they are "good."
          "You render the greatest homage possible to the Sacred Humanity of Our Lord...", by attending just one holy mass, says the post. But Archbishop refused to say even one Novus Ordo Mass-- because he knew that he could not please Our Lord, let alone could it possibly render any homage to Him! Rather, the Archbishop knew that one un-holy Mass does just the opposite: it brings down upon the attendees the curses of Almighty God, for false  worship and blaspheming, all under the guise of the "public prayer of the Catholic Church"
         We must be exceedingly careful how we look at things and analyze them. For forty years, many, many  Catholics have totally by-passed the "local" "Roman Catholic " churches, and driven tens of hundreds of miles to attend the true sacrifice-- and are now being told that we could attend, forty five years after the introduction of the Novus Ordo, the new mass, and it would satisfy our Sunday obligation!

         So, yes, attend daily Holy Mass, if at all possible. What Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko are saying is: "don't put your soul in jeopardy by attending what you THINK is a true Mass, but is one celebrated by a priest who has adopted the conciliar religion (and therefore the protestant belief that there is no sacrifice present), or is a mass actually "said" (as father Robinson admitted training pres-by-ters) by novus ordo pres-by-ters who have never been ordained to offer a sacrifice (because in the Novus ordo there is no sacrifice).

     

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