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« on: January 16, 2013, 02:19:29 PM »
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  • January 17, 2013 - St. Anthony, Abbot
    Double Feast

    Is Bishop Williamson Set to Consecrate Three New Independent Traditional Catholic Bishops?
    Some Reports Indicate that He Will Establish Bishops in the U.S., Mexico, and France

    From: Pietro, the TRADITIO Network's Canadian Correspondent

    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, Elected Leader of the SSPX of the Strict Observance
    Fr. Pfeiffer Is a Candidate for Consecration as an Independent Traditional Catholic Bishop
    Reports Indicate that His Consecration by the Neo-SSPX's Former Senior Bishop Williamson
    May Be a Matter of only Weeks Away
    Williamson Is Said to Be Contemplating Candidates from Mexico and France as Well

    Sources at St. Athanasius Church in Vienna, Virginia, site of the founding of the Society of St. Pius X of the Strict Observance, have hinted that Richard Williamson, the SSPX's former senior bishop, consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre, will soon, perhaps within a matter of weeks, be consecrating new traditional Catholic bishops independent of Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX. The sources indicate that in addition to the United States, Bishop Williamson may shortly be consecrating bishops in Mexico and France. France has the largest population of Fellayites, but recently many of these have split from Fellay because of his desire to incorporate the Archbishop's once-traditional SSPX into Benedict-Ratzinger's New Order sect.

    The Society of St. Pius X of the Strict Observance was founded on August 10, 2012, by Frs. Joseph Pfeiffer, Ronald Ringrose, Richard Voigt, David Hewko, and Francois Chazal, former SSPX priests or SSPX associates, who have rejected Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX, which wants to sell out to Benedict-Ratzinger's unCatholic New Order sect. They denounced the Neo-SSPX's Superior-Dictator Bernie Fellay as a traitor to the memory and mission of the SSPX founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

    As the TRADITIO Network previously announced, Bishop Williamson during January 2013 is making an episcopal visitation of North America. Bishop Williamson is well known here, having been for many years the Rector of the SSPX's seminary at Winona, Minnesota, and publisher of its monthly Bulletin, in which he taught the principles of traditional Catholicism. It has not, however, been confirmed that Bishop Williamson will attend any meeting of the SSPX-SO at co-founder Fr. Ringrose's aptly-name St. Athanasius Church in Vienna, Virginia, at the end of January 2013, or that Bishop Williamson will perform the consecration of the SSPX-SO's elected leader, Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer.

    This should put Fellay in an interesting position. If Benedict-Ratzinger and heresiarch Walter Muller, Ratzinger's personal appointee in 2012 as head of the Doctrine of the [Novus Ordo] Faith, re-excommunicate Bishop Williamson, what will happen to Fellay when he consecrates successors to perpetuate his Neo-SSPX clergy? Under the defective 1983 Novus Ordo Code of Canon Law, an automatic excommunication from the New Order sect for one would logically mean an automatic excommunication from the New Order sect for the other one in the same case, no?

    It would seem logical for Bishop Williamson to name more than one successor bishop, just as Archbishop Lefebvre did. These three bishops would be independent, not members of one organization -- at least not yet. I would guess that Bishop Willilamson is providing for a host of independent groups, at least until the inevitable major split opens up in Fellay's Neo-SSPX. Should Fellay try to make a deal with Ratzinger and his New Order sect, I suspect that NSSPX Bishops Tissier de Mallerais and Alfonso Galarreta will decamp to join Bishop Williamson. I would not want to be in Fellay's dilemma right now. Fellay will now be put under pressure to make a deal with the German spider -- or perhaps Fellay will be given the excuse he needs to make a sellout deal, leaving the Neo-SSPX completely Novus Ordo.

    The TRADITIO Fathers Reply.

    Bernie Fellay must really be wringing his hands now about whether he has cut off his nose to spite his face. He has no further control over the SSPX's former senior bishop, Richard Williamson, consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre, whom Fellay expelled from his Novus Ordo-leaning Neo-SSPX on October 4, 2012. The consecration of new independent traditional Catholic bishops would be a good move for Williamson. His consecrations could hardly be disputed as they would be coming through Archbishop Lefebvre. The new consecrations would also make clear to the world that Bishop Williamson is once and for all independent of Fellay's corrupt Novus Ordo-leaning knock-off of Archbishop Lefebvre's traditional Catholic organization.

    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1301.htm

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    « Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 03:06:02 PM »
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  • Are we sure that the reliable -as-ever Traditio's roving reporter isn't "pablo" not "pietro" ?


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    « Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 03:11:13 PM »
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  • They have a "network"???

    Gotta be bigger than their whole audience!   :roll-laugh1:

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    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 03:32:29 PM »
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  • Excellent post.

    I've said it already that I hope Bishop Williamson does consecrate a Bishop (hopefully three of them) because the Catholic world needs Bishops.

    The whole idea gives me the warm and fuzzies!

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    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 03:45:54 PM »
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  • Traditio is full of crap most of the time. I wouldn't believe anything they're saying. Check sources. They have no listed source for their stuff on this one. If I read their stuff, I usually go back to the original source they provide at the end of their articles. This one is conspicuously missing.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 04:18:37 PM »
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  • Is Tradio full of it?  Or are they just sometimes a little too exuberant?

    Either way...

    I sure hope this story is true because there must be Catholic Bishops.

    We need to really renounce all novus ordo type thinking that there must be only one bishop per diocese or one bishop per hundreds of priests...  Valid Bishops are what we need.

    As for Tradio, maybe they are full of it but that's beside the point in this circumstance.  


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    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 04:19:30 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson will not be consecrating any Bishops anytime soon.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 09:00:49 PM »
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  • Forgive my ignorance.  Is there some reason to think he isn't?
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    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 09:11:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Forgive my ignorance.  Is there some reason to think he isn't?


    It was pretty much discussed in another thread.  This particular one may cover it:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php/Valid-SSPX-SO-Priestly-Ordinations

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    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 09:37:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Anthony Benedict
    They have a "network"???
    Gotta be bigger than their whole audience!   :roll-laugh1:


    This is probably a true statement that their "network" is bigger than their own audience. Some of us have checked this out by submitting "exclusive" news items under pseudonyms. These were almost always published. When stopped, the output of the site visibly dropped. Don't know how they obtain "millions" of hits .....

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    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 10:19:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    Quote from: Pablo
    "...Are we sure that the reliable -as-ever Traditio's roving reporter isn't "pablo" not "pietro" ?..."

    No, pablo is not pietro.

    I do not lie or hide my identity.

    I am only afraid of God, and am willing to dogfight anywhere, anytime.

    Traditio has Good Christians running it.

    They stand on their own two feet as well.

    I am certain if you asked them some serious questions they would reply back frankly and honestly.

    There are many people in Holy Mother Church.

    The members of Traditio should be respected.


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      Except that, much like Fr. Voigt, "Fr" Moderator cannot prove he was validly ordained.



    CI-

    I just heard back from Bishop Williamson on this matter.

    I can confirm that His Lordship personally conditionally ordained Fr Voigt according to the traditional rite or ordination.

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    « Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 10:59:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catechist99
    Former Senior Bishop Williamson
    May Be a Matter of only Weeks Away
    Williamson Is Said to Be Contemplating Candidates from Mexico and France as Well

    Sources at St. Athanasius Church in Vienna, Virginia, site of the founding of the Society of St. Pius X of the Strict Observance, have hinted that Richard Williamson, the SSPX's former senior bishop, consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre, will soon, perhaps within a matter of weeks, be consecrating new traditional Catholic bishops independent of Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX. The sources indicate that in addition to the United States, Bishop Williamson may shortly be consecrating bishops in Mexico and France.



    http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1301.htm





    I hope this has a bit of truth to it. Only that who would his candidate from Mexico be. Latin America needs a traditional bishop and especially here in Mexico. I can see the Mexico district of the FSSPX-SO forming now and working with other traditionalist of the same mindset already. If he comes to Mexico I may have to go see this. It would defintely be worth it.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 11:01:37 PM »
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  • While he's at it he should make the leader of the Society of St. Josephat a bishop too. Why would he not want to.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 11:25:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    Quote from: Pablo
    "...Are we sure that the reliable -as-ever Traditio's roving reporter isn't "pablo" not "pietro" ?..."

    No, pablo is not pietro.

    I do not lie or hide my identity.

    I am only afraid of God, and am willing to dogfight anywhere, anytime.

    Traditio has Good Christians running it.

    They stand on their own two feet as well.

    I am certain if you asked them some serious questions they would reply back frankly and honestly.

    There are many people in Holy Mother Church.

    The members of Traditio should be respected.


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      Except that, much like Fr. Voigt, "Fr" Moderator cannot prove he was validly ordained.


    The "Father Moderator" that used to run that site, is obviously not running it anymore. You can tell the clear difference between the language of "Father Morrison" and the "Fathers" that are running it now. Totally different, and that's when Traditio changed for the worse.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 17, 2013, 03:38:49 AM »
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  • Though traditio may not be perfect the bulk of there stories and commentary a right on the money. That site was a huge help to me and to many others when they discovered tradition. He saw what was coming with the SSPX and Bp. Fellay long ago.

     

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