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    Fellay is surrounding the Neo-SSPX with the Novus Ordo. (The Neo-SSPX uses not the Traditional Latin Mass, but the Half Novus Ordo Vatican II "Mess of 1962," with its Novus Ordo-based Holy Week.)

    1. He doesn't refer to Bp. Fellay by his title. I understand (halfway) when he disrespects Novus Ordo priests (he calls them "presbyters") because he believes the new Rite of Ordination and Consecration are invalid. However, Bishop Fellay was consecrated in the OLD Rite by a valid Archbishop, Abp. Lefebvre.

    2. The 1962 Mass is not "half Novus Ordo". That is not just an exaggeration, that is a filthy lie. The 1962 is indistinguishable from the Mass he says (or pretends to say) on a regular basis. At least as it exists in the wild (every 1962 I've ever been to still has the double Confiteor, for example). Let's be honest when criticizing what and who we disagree with.

    3. And what is a Novus Ordo-based Holy Week? The revised Holy Week came before 1962, is completely Traditional, and has nothing to do with the Novus Ordo Missae. He makes himself look completely ignorant when he utters nonsense like this.
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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
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  • 3. And what is a Novus Ordo-based Holy Week? The revised Holy Week came before 1962, is completely Traditional, and has nothing to do with the Novus Ordo Missae. He makes himself look completely ignorant when he utters nonsense like this.
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    Is it completely traditional? A lot of traditional Catholic priests would not agree. I am not an expert but didn't they take out the "perfidious" in the prayer for the Jєωs on Good Friday, and didn't they change it to genuflect for the Jєωs when traditionally we did not genuflect for the Jєωs? Or were those the 1962 changes? I remember when you described the Holy Week Father Zendejas said at your chapel you specifically mentioned he did not genuflect for the Jєωs. Why would he disobey the rubrics if the 1955 Holy Week was completely traditional?

    On further internet search the genuflection for the Jєωs was introduced in 1955 but the "perfidious" was only removed in 1959.
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  • http://www.fathercekada.com/category/liturgy/holy-week/

    Here is Father Cekada on the Holy Week changes. I am not a fan of Father Cekada usually but I think these short articles are interesting in showing what some of the changes to the Holy Week were. I remember hearing a conference by Father Gregory Hesse about the Holy Week changes on youtube. Both Father Cekada and Father Hesse said the pre-1955 Holy Week.
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    The 1962 Mass is not "half Novus Ordo". That is not just an exaggeration, that is a filthy lie. The 1962 is indistinguishable from the Mass he says (or pretends to say) on a regular basis. At least as it exists in the wild (every 1962 I've ever been to still has the double Confiteor, for example). Let's be honest when criticizing what and who we disagree with.

     
    Matthew,

    Perhaps these foot notes from a 2010 letter to Culture Wars Magazine will help you understand why Traditio refers to the 1962 Missal as "Half Novus Ordo". The 1962 Missal published by the SSPX has been their own unauthorized (pre-1955 & 1962) hybrid version for decades and that is why it is indistinguishable to you and other SSPX faithful who grew up with it.  Do a search and compare a non- SSPX Missal and yours.



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    [/url]    Msgr. Annibale Bugnini, an alleged Mason, directed the liturgical reform from 1948 until 1976.  The 1962 Missal, issued at the mid-point of his liturgical tenure, existed only about 2½ years.  It was regarded by Bugnini, who took credit for its authorship, as only a transitional Missal toward his ultimate goal of the Novus Ordo.  Pope Benedict XVI in Summorum Pontificuм said that the relationship of the 1962 Missal to the Novus Ordo is one of organic development, that “They are, in fact two usages of the one Roman rite.”
        This is true statement for Bugnini said in his book, The Reform of the Liturgy, 1948-1976, that the first principles of liturgical reform adopted by his commission, first principles that were novel, artificial ideological constructs, guided his work and remained absolutely consistent throughout his entire tenure.  The first principles guiding the formation of the 1962 Missal are the same principles that would give us the Novus Ordo.  When Bugnini was asked if the 1962 Missal represented the end of his liturgical innovations he said, “Not by any stretch of the imagination. Every good builder begins by removing the gross accretions, the evident distortions; then with more delicacy and attention he sets out to revise particulars.  The latter remains to be achieved for the Liturgy so that the fullness, dignity and harmony may shine forth once again” (The Organic Development of the Liturgy by Fr. Alcuin Reid).  Thus such feasts as the Solemnity of St. Joseph, the Chair of St. Peter at Rome, the Finding of the True Cross, St. John before the Latin Gate, and many, many other liturgical changes, considered “gross accretions and evident distortions” by those who would eventually give the Church the liturgical “fullness, dignity and harmony” of the Novus Ordo, were done away with in the 1962 Missal.
        It is a fact that the 1962 Missal has never been afforded the standing of Immemorial Tradition by Rome.  Every papal docuмent touching upon this Missal treats it entirely as a subject of Church discipline governed entirely by human positive law first under the norms of Ecclesia Dei as an Indult and now under the restrictive legal stipulations of Summorum Pontificuм as a grant of privilege by positive law.  At no time in the history of the Church has an immemorial liturgical tradition been reduced to the status of an Indult, which is the permission to do something that is not permitted by the positive law of the Church.  This constitutes presumptive proof that Rome does not regard the 1962 Missal as the Immemorial Roman Rite. 
        The 1962 Bugnini transitional Missal was adopted by the SSPX in 1983 as their liturgical standard.
     
     
     
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    [ii]   It perhaps one of the greatest errors of the last century that Catholics have regarded the Liturgy as entirely a matter of Church discipline and forgotten its essential relationship with Catholic dogma.  This error is refuted by the following quotations:

         "However, the term disciplina in no way applies to the liturgical rite of the Mass, particularly in light of the fact that the popes have repeatedly observed that the rite is founded on apostolic tradition (several popes are then quoted in the footnote).  For this reason alone, the rite cannot fall into the category of 'discipline and rule of the Church.'  To this we can add that there is not a single docuмent, including the Codex Iuris Canonici, in which there is a specific statement that the pope, in his function as the supreme pastor of the Church, has the authority to abolish the traditional rite.  In fact, nowhere is it mentioned that the pope has the authority to change even a single local liturgical tradition.  The fact that there is no mention of such authority strengthens our case considerably.
         "There are clearly defined limits to the plena et suprema potestas (full and highest powers) of the pope.  For example, there is no question that, even in matters of dogma, he still has to follow the tradition of the universal Church-that is, as St. Vincent of Lerins says, what has been believed (quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab ominibus).  In fact, there are several authors who state quite explicitly that it is clearly outside the pope's scope of authority to abolish the traditional rite."

    Msgr. Klaus Gamber, The Reform of the Roman Liturgy
     
        "Liturgy and faith are interdependent.  That is why a new rite was created, a rite that in many ways reflects the bias of the new (modernist) theology”. 
    Msgr. Klaus Gamber, The Reform of the Roman Liturgy

         Further evidence that the immemorial Roman Rite, our “received and approved” rite, is not a matter of simple discipline:
         The Tridentine Profession of Faith of Pope Pius IV, Iniunctum Nobis, prescribes adherence to the “received and approved rites of the Catholic Church used in the solemn administration of the sacraments.”  The “received and approved rites” are the rites established by custom, and hence the Council of Trent refers to them as the “received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments (Sess. VII, can XIII).  Adherence to the customary rites received and approved by the Church is an infallible defined doctrine: The Council of Florence defined that “priests…. must confect the body of the Lord, each one according to the custom of his Church” (Decretum pro Graecis), and therefore the Council of Trent solemnly condemned as heresy the proposition that “ the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church customarily used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be changed into other new rites by any ecclesiastical pastor whosoever.” 

    Fr. Paul Kramer, The ѕυιcιdє of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy

         Pope Pius XII  said regarding the error of liturgists:

        “They wander entirely away from the true and full notion and understanding of the Sacred Liturgy, who consider it only as an external part of divine worship, and presented to the senses; or as a kind of apparatus of ceremonial properties; and they no less err who think of it as a mere compendium of laws and precepts, by which the ecclesiastical Hierarchy bids the sacred rites to be arranged and ordered."
    Pope Piux XII,  Mediator Dei
     
        “‘Lex orandi, lex credendi’ -- the law for prayer is the law for faith”, and, “In the sacred liturgy we profess the Catholic faith explicitly and openly”….. “The entire liturgy, therefore, has the Catholic faith for its content, inasmuch as it bears public witness to the faith of the Church.” 
    Pope Pius XII, Mediator Dei
     
        Pope Benedict XVI, said in his book, Spirit of the Liturgy:
         The Liturgy cannot be compared to a piece of equipment, something made, but rather to a plant, something organic that grows and whose laws of growth determine the possibilities of further development.  In the West there has been, of course, another factor involved.  This was the Papal authority, the Pope took ever more clearly the responsibility upon himself for the liturgical legislation, and so doing foresaw in a juridical authority for the forth setting of the liturgical development.  The stronger the papal primacy was exercised, the more the question arose, just what the limits of this authority were, which of course, no-one had ever before thought about.  After the Second Vatican Council, the impression has been made that the Pope, as far as the Liturgy goes, can actually do everything he wishes to do, certainly when he was acting with the mandate of an Ecuмenical Council.  Finally, the idea that the Liturgy is a predetermined ''given'', the fact that nobody can simply do what he wishes with her, disappeared out of the public conscience of the Western [Church].  In fact, the First Vatican Council did not in any way define that the Pope was an absolute monarch!  Au contraire, the first Vatican Council sketched his role as that of a guarantee for the obedience to the Revealed Word.  The papal authority is limited by the Holy Tradition of the Faith, and that regards also the Liturgy.  The Liturgy is no ''creation'' of the authorities.  Even the Pope can be nothing other than a humble servant of the Liturgy's legitimate development and of her everlasting integrity and identity.

    Pope Benedict XVI, Spirit of the Liturgy
     
     
     
    [iii][iii]   When Pope Nicholas II ordered the suppression of the Ambrosian Rite, he was opposed by the Catholics of Milan who refused his order.  This order was subsequently overturned by Pope Alexander II who declared it to have been “unjust.”  Further, human law, even the highest form of human law imposed by the pope, has all the limitations of every human law.  That is, it must be a promulgation of reason, by the proper authority, promoting the common good, and not in any way opposed to Divine or natural law.  As St. Thomas has said, an ‘unjust law is not a law.’  St. Thomas lists three principal conditions which must be met for any human law to be valid: 1) It must be consistent with the virtue of Religion; that is, it must not contain anything contrary to Divine law, 2) It must be consistent with discipline; that is, it must conform to the Natural law; and 3) It must promote human welfare; that is, it must promote the good of society (Fr. Dominic Prummer, Moral Theology).  These criteria, required for the validity of any human law, make the suppression of immemorial tradition all but impossible to legitimately effect.  The pope has no authority to bind an unjust law and therefore the Catholics of Milan were completely within their rights to refuse the order of Pope Nicholas II.  And we are, like them, within our rights to refuse any of liturgical innovations that overturn immemorial custom.[/i][/i]
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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
    « Reply #5 on: March 27, 2017, 08:39:58 PM »
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  • http://www.fathercekada.com/category/liturgy/holy-week/

    Here is Father Cekada on the Holy Week changes. I am not a fan of Father Cekada usually but I think these short articles are interesting in showing what some of the changes to the Holy Week were. I remember hearing a conference by Father Gregory Hesse about the Holy Week changes on youtube. Both Father Cekada and Father Hesse said the pre-1955 Holy Week.
    I know this has come up before, and I understand the old Holy Week had some advantages.

    However, if a valid Pope changed it, who am I to judge?  I'm not above the Pope.

    And to return to the main point: whatever disadvantages the new Holy Week has, it is not accurately described as Novus Ordo anything. Anyone who calls the 1955 Holy Week "Novus Ordo" or "Conciliar" is obviously ignorant of what those terms mean -- they must be completely ignorant of the Novus Ordo Mass or what the Conciliar Church does these days.

    It's a question of accuracy. You can't just call a person ANY name, just because you decided the person was in some way deserving of criticism on a specific point.

    I can call Bishop Fellay a compromiser, I can call him ambitious, I can call him delusional. Those are accurate terms based on the reality of his recent behavior. But just because I decide he is "not good" because of these traits, I can't go ahead and call him a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, for example. That would false, sinful, ILLOGICAL, and most unfair.

    All ambitious clerics are bad.
    Bishop Fellay is an ambitious cleric.
    Therefore Bishop Fellay is bad.

    Bishop Fellay is bad (in a specific aspect: his ambition)
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is bad.
    Therefore Bishop Fellay is a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. <------------ Danger! Logic Failure! Go back to logic class!
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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
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    Matthew,

    Perhaps these foot notes from a 2010 letter to Culture Wars Magazine will help you understand why Traditio refers to the 1962 Missal as "Half Novus Ordo". The 1962 Missal published by the SSPX has been their own unauthorized (pre-1955 & 1962) hybrid version for decades and that is why it is indistinguishable to you and other SSPX faithful who grew up with it.  Do a search and compare a non- SSPX Missal and yours.
    I only attended SSPX from 2000 - 2015. From 1976 - 2000 I attended an independent OSJ chapel with Fr. Frank Slupski, later Bishop Slupski. He used the 1945 Missale, I think.

    So when I say the 1945 and 1962 Missals are practically indistinguishable, my words should carry some weight. I have significant experience with both. The latter is CERTAINLY not "half Novus Ordo". It's completely Traditional as as matter of fact.

    I've also experienced both Holy Weeks. They are both solemn, traditional, and there isn't any significant difference in their mood, attitude, dogma, what they contain/leave out, etc. There is nothing of the "Novus Ordo" flavor, Modernism, or any systematic destruction in the latter.

    The Catholic Church doesn't operate like a first grade classroom. I.e., we don't believe in the concept of "cooties" -- from Annibale Bugnini or anyone else.

    Rather than cooties, I only avoid something when someone like Cardinal Ottaviani shows how the Novus Ordo is systematically defective in certain areas, calculated to destroy the Faith. And then when you look at the wider, practical application of the Conciliar religion (Modernism), it's even more destruction. THAT is something to avoid.

    I've never see a Cardinal Ottaviani write-up on why the 1962 Missal is defective or bad for Catholics.

    The only arguments I've ever seen against the 1962 Missal amounts to "Bugnini cooties". And since I'm not 6 years old, I tend to ignore such rubbish.

    My answer: even a broken clock is right twice a day. What if Bugnini made the Sign of the Cross during his life? Are we to throw that out as well? Hey, Bugnini was a Freemason! It must have been a step towards the Novus Ordo Mass! If a Freemason does it, we have to throw it out, right?
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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
    « Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 05:13:37 AM »
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  • Matthew,

    Perhaps these foot notes from a 2010 letter to Culture Wars Magazine will help you understand why Traditio refers to the 1962 Missal as "Half Novus Ordo". The 1962 Missal published by the SSPX has been their own unauthorized (pre-1955 & 1962) hybrid version for decades and that is why it is indistinguishable to you and other SSPX faithful who grew up with it.  Do a search and compare a non- SSPX Missal and yours.
    I've had my 1961 Missal since before there was an SSPX and have used only it exclusively since about 1967-68. If there is a difference between this one the the SSPX's "unauthorized hybrid version", I have not found any differences whatsoever in 50 years.

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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
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  • However, if a valid Pope changed it, who am I to judge?  I'm not above the Pope.
    Um. You cannot use this argument because you are not a sedevacantist and reject the official liturgies of the last four men you claim to be valid popes. Only sedevacantists can use that argument and they do against Father Cekada.

    But about Traditio I agree tthat hey exaggerate in their articles, but for some reason I can take their attitude when I read their articles for Church news. For some reason I can barely take the attitude of Novus Ordo Watch when I go to their with for news even though they are similar. This issue of the Holy Week came up because I thought I was going to go to the 62 Good Friday this year and I was thinking about genuflecting for the Jєωs and I did not want to do it. But it turns out I am not going this year because I do not have anyone to drive me there and I cannot afford the train fare.
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    I only attended SSPX from 2000 - 2015. From 1976 - 2000 I attended an independent OSJ chapel with Fr. Frank Slupski, later Bishop Slupski. He used the 1945 Missale, I think.
     
     So when I say the 1945 and 1962 Missals are practically indistinguishable, my words should carry some weight. I have significant experience with both. The latter is CERTAINLY not "half Novus Ordo". It's completely Traditional as as matter of fact.


    I totally agree that if you compare the 1945 and the SSPX 1962, "they are practically indistinguishable". No argument there. What I'm saying is that the SSPX's published Missal, is NOT the actual 1962. They chose the traditions they wanted to keep but even with that, it's terribly deficient and they never had the authority to do those changes. That is why Fr. Peter Scott did a fundraising in 2007 to publish the actual 1962 Missal in anticipation of Summorum Pontificuм. They thought they would be selling it to indult communities but the Vatican had their own printing of ("the only authorized 1962 Missal") and the Angelus Press was left with the Missals rotting on their shelves, because they were of no use to the SSPX faithful and indultists wanted the "authorized" Missal.

    I'm not saying the 1962 is invalid,  only guessing why Traditio calls it the "Half way N.O." and my guess is because Msgr. Bugnini made it clear the 1962 was only a "transitional" Missal which existed only 2 1/2 years or less.

    I highly recommend the 6 part talk (about 15 min. each) from Fr. Hesse on the 1962 Missal for a sound and informed opinion. Most independent chapels use the pre-1955 by right. On the other hand, the indults (permissions) have been tied to the 1962 Missal and E.D. Communities regulated by it. "S.P." makes it clear that one needs to accept the "Ordinary Form" at least in "principle", if one wants the "Extraordinary Form". The new SSPX accepted the "HOC", so it is now proper for them.  

    I recommend you listen to Fr. Hesse. The link below is for part 1 but will lead you to the others.



    You can find online the differences. I'm out of time but I found a comparison of the St. Pius X Missal with the 1962.

    http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=1225034.0
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  • I totally agree that if you compare the 1945 and the SSPX 1962, "they are practically indistinguishable". No argument there. What I'm saying is that the SSPX's published Missal, is NOT the actual 1962. They chose the traditions they wanted to keep but even with that, it's terribly deficient and they never had the authority to do those changes. That is why Fr. Peter Scott did a fundraising in 2007 to publish the actual 1962 Missal in anticipation of Summorum Pontificuм. They thought they would be selling it to indult communities but the Vatican had their own printing of ("the only authorized 1962 Missal") and the Angelus Press was left with the Missals rotting on their shelves, because they were of no use to the SSPX faithful and indultists wanted the "authorized" Missal.

    I'm not saying the 1962 is invalid,  only guessing why Traditio calls it the "Half way N.O." and my guess is because Msgr. Bugnini made it clear the 1962 was only a "transitional" Missal which existed only 2 1/2 years or less.

    I highly recommend the 6 part talk (about 15 min. each) from Fr. Hesse on the 1962 Missal for a sound and informed opinion. Most independent chapels use the pre-1955 by right. On the other hand, the indults (permissions) have been tied to the 1962 Missal and E.D. Communities regulated by it. "S.P." makes it clear that one needs to accept the "Ordinary Form" at least in "principle", if one wants the "Extraordinary Form". The new SSPX accepted the "HOC", so it is now proper for them.  

    I recommend you listen to Fr. Hesse. The link below is for part 1 but will lead you to the others.



    You can find online the differences. I'm out of time but I found a comparison of the St. Pius X Missal with the 1962.

    http://www.fisheaters.com/forums/index.php?topic=1225034.0
    Fr Patrick Perez also wrote about the 1962 Missal on TraditionInAction. That same site has input on the Dialogue Mass by Dr Carol Byrne:
    http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f014ht_MissalCrisis_Perez.htm

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  • From the link given by AJNC:

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    Beginning with Quattuor Abhinc Annos (1984) and Ecclesia Dei (1988) of John Paul II, and culminating with the recent motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм (2007) of Benedict XVI, in which permission is so graciously granted by the respective Holy Fathers for a Mass that no priest needs anyone’s permission, including the pope’s, to offer any time he so chooses, the authors of these docuмents specify that these permissions are to celebrate Mass using the 1962 Missal, and only the 1962 Missal. Considering that between those docuмents, and the letter to the bishops which accompanies the latest motu proprio, this requirement is specified no fewer than 15 times.

    Precisely!!! Summorum Pontificuм has been the most restrictive of indults. For the first time, Benedict XVI makes acceptance of the Novus Ordo a condition to use that Missal. Summorum Pontificuм has always been the means to control and lead the E.D. communities back to the Novus Ordo. BXVI knew what he was doing, the reform of the reform was his idea. In his book The Spirit of the Liturgy, he says that two rites are difficult to manage and eventually will have to be merged into one (R of the R). He NEVER offered Mass according to the 1962 Missal in public and his last talk to the priests of the diocese of Rome on the "Virtual vs the Real Council" says it all.
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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
    « Reply #13 on: March 30, 2017, 03:14:40 PM »
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  • Fr. Morrison has been calling the 1962-Indult Mass the "half-Mass" for more than a decade.

    He's a really unpleasant fellow, I might add.

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    Re: Traditio.com falsehoods and exaggerations
    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2017, 07:14:28 PM »
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  • Fr. Morrison has been calling the 1962-Indult Mass the "half-Mass" for more than a decade.

    He's a really unpleasant fellow, I might add.
    The point of all my posts in this thread is as follows:


    While I respect the differing opinions of my fellow Traditional Catholics, I have no respect for those who distort, lie, or play fast-and-loose with the truth. For such individuals, I have to wonder what their REAL motivation is.

    My motivation as a Traditional Catholic is to maintain the truth, the Gospel, the Catholic Faith, and help save as many souls as possible as well as my own. That should be the motive of every Traditional Catholic. But how are those goals met by lying, exaggerating, and distorting the truth?
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