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Trad-cuмenical and proud of it
« on: October 05, 2015, 11:57:02 AM »
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  • The Matthew haters club usually likes to call me "Trad-cuмenical" since I deal with the various Trad groups like Pope Francis deals with the various false religions. But you see the difference? the various Trad groups are all CATHOLIC, so why wouldn't I keep my arms open to all of them? What Pope Francis is doing, with his false ecuмenism, is clearly wrong, since they are heretics and infidels. But unless you're drinking the Dimond Bros kool-aid, you can't really believe that about the various competing Traditional organizations and chapels. Am I Trad-cuмenical? You bet! I wear that charge as a badge of honor. It means I'm not sectarian or schismatic.

    Allow me to explain:

    I am a Traditional Catholic, which involves a few core beliefs:
    If you don't have these beliefs, you're not really a Traditional Catholic.
     
    A) Catholics have a right to doubt-free priests and sacraments.
    B) The Novus Ordo Mass has proven to be destructive of the Faith, and the New Rite of Ordination is at least doubtful
    C) We can and should go outside the official authority structures of the Conciliar Church to pursue A), because "Salus Animarum Suprema Lex"

    And a few behaviors, or a short checklist EVERY TRAD USES when evaluating a place for Mass:
    A) Was the priest properly ordained by a valid bishop?
    B) Was the priest properly trained in a seminary, and is he completely against Vatican II as an infiltration of malicious men (Modernists/Freemasons) into the Church?
    C) Is he saying the Tridentine Mass, i.e., the Catholic Mass as it existed before Vatican II?
    -- End of list --

    You might add D) Does this chapel escape the charge of being a virtual cult (is there a schismatic or sectarian spirit towards other Trad chapels?)

    As you can see, the list is quite simple. Pretty much every Mass worth attending would pass this short test.

    But I need to add something: I'm not saying that all Trad groups are the same, and have something to teach each other. In that respect, I have to distinguish "Trad-cuмenism" from the false-ecuмenism of Vatican II.

    I do believe in good-better-best, and an objective hierarchy among all the Traditional chapels and groups. But it's a bit complicated, because some of the objective ranking is known only to God. As I've said before, God hasn't revealed the objective ranking of the Trad groups to any man.

    So we're at liberty to choose. Some might be make better choices than others. Some chapels are better, objectively speaking, than others. But we can't call each other non-Catholic, ever.

    A person living in City A might have 3 groups, with a clear favorite.

    A person living in City B might have 2 choices, each with (1) major downside. Flip a coin?

    A person living in City C might only have 1 choice.

    A person living in City D might have NO OPTIONS AT ALL for a Tridentine Mass.

    We should support -- out of principle -- the most Catholic, the safest, the most promising chapel in our area. EVEN IF THAT MEANS DRIVING AN EXTRA 30 or 45 MINUTES. We should do this out of love for the Church. An inferior chapel shouldn't get our "votes". It's not fair.

    For example, the SSPX. They are decaying, that is obvious. But nevertheless, today you could probably get away with attending MOST Of their chapels if you were careful. (Remember the boiling frog analogy!) But think of how many people go to their SSPX -- which has no future -- all the while ignoring any Resistance chapels in their area. This is imprudent and a foolish decision, in my opinion. These people do NOTHING to help the Church.
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