Author Topic: Trad Cath Radio: Modernist Selections (Read 2323 times)

Clelia · « **on:** September 06, 2012, 07:48:24 PM »

This has been going on for quite a long time, now: "Traditional" Catholic Handbell & Modern "Chant" on TCR.

Link:
click audio link on left top of website:
Traditional Catholic Radio

I wondered why they put the "Modern" so-called"Traditional Chant" on this radio, as well as the Eastern Chants, and I have heard Orthodox Music and Chant, also.

I taught hand bell choirs/choirs when I was in the nervous order, and I know this stuff very well, along with Eastern Catholic and it's schismatic counterpart the Orthodox.

I apologize if this has been addressed before. Has anyone else noticed this?
If so, what's your take?

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2012, 08:53:20 AM »

Quote from: Clelia

This has been going on for quite a long time, now: "Traditional" Catholic Handbell & Modern "Chant" on TCR.

Link:
click audio link on left top of website:
Traditional Catholic Radio

I wondered why they put the "Modern" so-called"Traditional Chant" on this radio, as well as the Eastern Chants, and I have heard Orthodox Music and Chant, also.

I taught hand bell choirs/choirs when I was in the nervous order, and I know this stuff very well, along with Eastern Catholic and it's schismatic counterpart the Orthodox.

I apologize if this has been addressed before. Has anyone else noticed this?
If so, what's your take?

What's wrong with Eastern Chant? The Byzantine and other Eastern Rites are the inheritance of the entire Church.

I find Russian chant in particular to be some of the most beautiful music in all of Christendom.

Clelia · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2012, 08:59:04 AM »

Nothing is 'wrong' with Eastern Chant: I am Byzantine Catholic. I take issue here regarding hymns and chants by Orthodox.

Traditional Catholic 'should be universal; but this radio station is SSPX oriented, and is taking on an ecuмenical palette - especially the n.o. new chants, traditional hymns with the new lyrics, as well as n.o. songs from time to time.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #3 on:** September 07, 2012, 09:09:01 AM »

Quote from: Clelia

Nothing is 'wrong' with Eastern Chant: I am Byzantine Catholic. I take issue here regarding hymns and chants by Orthodox.

Traditional Catholic 'should be universal; but this radio station is SSPX oriented, and is taking on an ecuмenical palette - especially the n.o. new chants, traditional hymns with the new lyrics, as well as n.o. songs from time to time.

I didn't know this. I haven't listened in quite awhile, though. If true then this is too bad.

I usually listen to Pandora. They have Gregorian, Old Roman, Byzantine and Classical stations that I usually shuffle.

Clelia · « **Reply #4 on:** September 07, 2012, 09:32:29 AM »

I never heard of that - is there a link? I would love to listen. Thank you.

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** September 07, 2012, 09:35:49 AM »

Glad to see a EC is not chummy w/orthodox, seems everyEC priest I know of and met seems too chummy and ecuмenical w/Orthodox......

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #6 on:** September 07, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »

Quote from: Clelia

I never heard of that - is there a link? I would love to listen. Thank you.

http://www.pandora.com

You can select stations based on artist or genre. My personal stations are Gregorian chant, Old Roman Chant, Byzantine chant, and Russian Orthodox Chant(sorry, no Byzantine Catholic chant station." I also have classical, bluegrass, country etc.

You can have a free station or pay about $35 per year for no advertising or interruptions.

VinnyF · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2012, 11:28:11 AM »

Quote from: Clelia

This has been going on for quite a long time, now: "Traditional" Catholic Handbell & Modern "Chant" on TCR.

Link:
click audio link on left top of website:
Traditional Catholic Radio

I wondered why they put the "Modern" so-called"Traditional Chant" on this radio, as well as the Eastern Chants, and I have heard Orthodox Music and Chant, also.

I taught hand bell choirs/choirs when I was in the nervous order, and I know this stuff very well, along with Eastern Catholic and it's schismatic counterpart the Orthodox.

I apologize if this has been addressed before. Has anyone else noticed this?
If so, what's your take?

You can blame me. I run TCR and pretty much program the music I like.

I do not work for the SSPX nor is TCR affiliated with them in way. The primary purpose I started this self-funded apostolate in 2005 was to share traditional Catholic sermons and provide daily Mass, some Offices, the rosary, etc on a 24x7 basis on the internet to those who may have limited access to these gifts and for those interested in a traditional audio backdrop for work or leisure. You will hear sermons from sedevacantist priests, Society priests, and independent priests.

While I certainly prefer chant in Latin without bells, I occasionally enjoy listening to Eastern and Orthodox chant. To my knowledge, they are not chanting heresy nor are the chants encouraging schism. I would never expect to find Eastern or Orthodox chants at the Missa Cantata - nor would I ever expect to find bell choirs or chant in English at Mass. There is also some ethnic folk music played, particularly on Sundays, but my intent is not to encourage that such music be brought into the Mass as it is in the modern church.

I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

Along these lines, I enjoy listening to Christmas Carols like "It Came Upon a Midnights Clear" but am not encouraged nor have a desire to become a Unitarian, as was its author, nor to necessarily hear it at Mass. The caveat to this is that no matter how traditional the song or hymn is, if I hear it sung by the likes of someone like Streisand, my first inclination is to puke.

Marlelar · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2012, 01:01:48 PM »

Quote from: VinnyF

You can blame me. I run TCR and pretty much program the music I like.

I do not work for the SSPX nor is TCR affiliated with them in way. The primary purpose I started this self-funded apostolate in 2005 was to share traditional Catholic sermons and provide daily Mass, some Offices, the rosary, etc on a 24x7 basis on the internet to those who may have limited access to these gifts and for those interested in a traditional audio backdrop for work or leisure. You will hear sermons from sedevacantist priests, Society priests, and independent priests.

While I certainly prefer chant in Latin without bells, I occasionally enjoy listening to Eastern and Orthodox chant. To my knowledge, they are not chanting heresy nor are the chants encouraging schism. I would never expect to find Eastern or Orthodox chants at the Missa Cantata - nor would I ever expect to find bell choirs or chant in English at Mass. There is also some ethnic folk music played, particularly on Sundays, but my intent is not to encourage that such music be brought into the Mass as it is in the modern church.

I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

Along these lines, I enjoy listening to Christmas Carols like "It Came Upon a Midnights Clear" but am not encouraged nor have a desire to become a Unitarian, as was its author, nor to necessarily hear it at Mass. The caveat to this is that no matter how traditional the song or hymn is, if I hear it sung by the likes of someone like Streisand, my first inclination is to puke.

Vinny - thanks for providing us with the option of good Catholic radio. We won't all like everything you play, but I for one am so thankful for all the trouble you go to provide us with a choice.

Marsha

Clelia · « **Reply #9 on:** September 07, 2012, 01:28:21 PM »

Thank you, Roland, for the Pandora link.

Thank you for your clarification, Vinny. It's your show.

Yet, your comment:

Quote

I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

was not appreciated.

I have tuned in to your station BECAUSE I want Traditional Catholic Radio - not entertainment. That is my prerogative. I am old enough to understand the difference between Music appropriate to The Mass vs. entertainment. I was baptized RC and grew up knowing the difference. I simply do not appreciate it when I tune into what seems to be an otherwise largely SSPX representation of Traditional Catholic sermons, music, and other offerings.

I don't come for entertainment. I respect your ownership and decisions regarding programming; but not the mix. It appears to ecuмenical to me. That's my opinion.
I'm sure you are interested in what your listeners have to say. If others enjoy it, that's their right.

My opinion is not meant as a slam - it is merely my take.

VinnyF · « **Reply #10 on:** September 07, 2012, 02:06:05 PM »

Quote from: Clelia

Thank you, Roland, for the Pandora link.

Thank you for your clarification, Vinny. It's your show.

Yet, your comment:

Quote
I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

was not appreciated.

I have tuned in to your station BECAUSE I want Traditional Catholic Radio - not entertainment. That is my prerogative. I am old enough to understand the difference between Music appropriate to The Mass vs. entertainment. I was baptized RC and grew up knowing the difference. I simply do not appreciate it when I tune into what seems to be an otherwise largely SSPX representation of Traditional Catholic sermons, music, and other offerings.

I don't come for entertainment. I respect your ownership and decisions regarding programming; but not the mix. It appears to ecuмenical to me. That's my opinion.
I'm sure you are interested in what your listeners have to say. If others enjoy it, that's their right.

My opinion is not meant as a slam - it is merely my take.

Clelia,

I am certainly interested in your opinion and am not that fond of the bell chants. Don't be surprised if they disappear. But I do like some of the Eastern stuff so you might not see that go. I have actually moved some things around to accomodate European time zones.

I am also committed to broadcast the Doctrinal Conferences of Bishop Williamson and numerous sermons of Frs. Pfeiffer, Fr. Voigt, and Fr. Hewko. That should demonstrate my "independence".

Thank you all for the encouraging words. It is time consuming and requires regular computer maintenance to keep it going but just when I am ready to hang it up I get an email from Asia, Europe, or Africa expressing their appreciation in broken English and it helps with my resolve to keep it up.

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #11 on:** September 07, 2012, 04:02:01 PM »

Quote from: VinnyF

Quote from: Clelia
Thank you, Roland, for the Pandora link.

Thank you for your clarification, Vinny. It's your show.

Yet, your comment:

Quote
I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

was not appreciated.

I have tuned in to your station BECAUSE I want Traditional Catholic Radio - not entertainment. That is my prerogative. I am old enough to understand the difference between Music appropriate to The Mass vs. entertainment. I was baptized RC and grew up knowing the difference. I simply do not appreciate it when I tune into what seems to be an otherwise largely SSPX representation of Traditional Catholic sermons, music, and other offerings.

I don't come for entertainment. I respect your ownership and decisions regarding programming; but not the mix. It appears to ecuмenical to me. That's my opinion.
I'm sure you are interested in what your listeners have to say. If others enjoy it, that's their right.

My opinion is not meant as a slam - it is merely my take.

Clelia,

I am certainly interested in your opinion and am not that fond of the bell chants. Don't be surprised if they disappear. But I do like some of the Eastern stuff so you might not see that go. I have actually moved some things around to accomodate European time zones.

I am also committed to broadcast the Doctrinal Conferences of Bishop Williamson and numerous sermons of Frs. Pfeiffer, Fr. Voigt, and Fr. Hewko. That should demonstrate my "independence".

Thank you all for the encouraging words. It is time consuming and requires regular computer maintenance to keep it going but just when I am ready to hang it up I get an email from Asia, Europe, or Africa expressing their appreciation in broken English and it helps with my resolve to keep it up.

By "bell chants" do you mean the selections you play from "More Sublime Chant?" If so I have that CD and love it. I usually have it playing on repeat during the night.

VinnyF · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2012, 04:24:17 PM »

Quote from: Roland Deschain

Quote from: VinnyF
Quote from: Clelia
Thank you, Roland, for the Pandora link.

Thank you for your clarification, Vinny. It's your show.

Yet, your comment:

Quote
I think you need to separate what you find in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from what you would tolerate as musical entertainment. The two are not always congruous.

was not appreciated.

I have tuned in to your station BECAUSE I want Traditional Catholic Radio - not entertainment. That is my prerogative. I am old enough to understand the difference between Music appropriate to The Mass vs. entertainment. I was baptized RC and grew up knowing the difference. I simply do not appreciate it when I tune into what seems to be an otherwise largely SSPX representation of Traditional Catholic sermons, music, and other offerings.

I don't come for entertainment. I respect your ownership and decisions regarding programming; but not the mix. It appears to ecuмenical to me. That's my opinion.
I'm sure you are interested in what your listeners have to say. If others enjoy it, that's their right.

My opinion is not meant as a slam - it is merely my take.

Clelia,

I am certainly interested in your opinion and am not that fond of the bell chants. Don't be surprised if they disappear. But I do like some of the Eastern stuff so you might not see that go. I have actually moved some things around to accomodate European time zones.

I am also committed to broadcast the Doctrinal Conferences of Bishop Williamson and numerous sermons of Frs. Pfeiffer, Fr. Voigt, and Fr. Hewko. That should demonstrate my "independence".

Thank you all for the encouraging words. It is time consuming and requires regular computer maintenance to keep it going but just when I am ready to hang it up I get an email from Asia, Europe, or Africa expressing their appreciation in broken English and it helps with my resolve to keep it up.

By "bell chants" do you mean the selections you play from "More Sublime Chant?" If so I have that CD and love it. I usually have it playing on repeat during the night.

Yes

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2012, 08:49:12 PM »

Two key words are involved in Vinny's response: "self" and "funded".

That is SO rare, especially among Catholics at large - NO or Trad - that it might just bump Vinny to the front of the line when the pardons are being doled out in Purgatory. In fact, he might just get an Executive Class pass, all the way to you-know-where right out of the hangar!

In fact, with all the abuse he takes from folks who don't pony up a dime to support good programming in ANY venue but are the first ones out of the paddock to kick, bite and gouge someone who reaches into his own pocket to put some terriific programming on the air, I'm almost sure that that Exec Class seat is already on order!

If I want to read about what people "expect" and all the "rights" they have - since they are so obviously entitled by dint of their manifest superiority - I can just tune in the Democratic National Convention.

Sigismund · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2012, 08:59:42 PM »

Clelia,

I am delighted to see that there is another Byzantine Catholic here.

At the risk of incurring Belloc's wrath and perhaps yours too :smile:, I don't see anything wrong with Orthodox liturgical music. The Liturgy really is the dame as ours in almost every detail. There are as many differences between Ukrainian and Melkite Liturgy (say) as one finds between Byzantine Catholic and Orthodox Liturgy. We should not take prohibited part in their worship, of course, but I see no harm in listening to a recording.