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  • I have been working with Gentiloup to provide a translation of the article "Pour la nécessaire réconciliation" that was posted on Un évêque s’est levé ! this week.

    I know a machine translation was posted as I was finishing mine, but I thought all of you might like to see the "authorized" translation anyway. The machines tend to become very confused about verb tenses and French pronouns and prepositions. They are notorious for ignoring negative statements and other such grammatical details.

    To answer a previous question, NO the book is not available in English.


    Anyway, here it is:

    Review of “Towards a Necessary Reconciliation” by Fr. Michel Lelong, promoted by GREC
    By Gentiloup (posted November 14, 2012)
    From the web site Un évêque s’est levé !

    I just finished reading the book by Fr. Michel Lelong, entitled: Towards the Necessary Reconciliation  [Pour la nécessaire réconciliation (pub: December 2011)].

    It is a small work of 159 pages, not exciting but quickly read. It is an exposé of GREC, “Groupe de Réflexion Entre Catholiques”  [Catholic Think Tank].

    This booklet summarizes the work accomplished by GREC, it is a sort of glowing report by the author who was present from the beginning of this organization. His goal is to open up the SSPX  to reconciliation with conciliar Rome. Nevertheless, this little book unintentionally clarifies the downward slide of the head of the SSPX and why the ralliement [an apropos French word for the effort to rejoin with Rome]  with conciliar Rome was able to corrupt the spirit at the heart of the SSPX.

    This “think tank” was founded in 1997 with the goal of integrating the SSPX into modernist Rome and convincing it to accept the Second Vatican Council.

    The founders were Mr. and Mrs. Gilbert Pérol and Fr. Michel Lelong, author of the book and fervent defender of inter-religious dialogue and the Council.  Mr Pérol had been the Ambassador of France to Rome.

    GREC’s goal is not ambiguous. It is clearly defined throughout this book by different protagonists as being “Interpreting Vatican II in the light of Tradition,” according to the formula John-Paul II gave to Archbishop Lefebvre in 1978.
     
    Fr. Michel Lelong is convinced of the benefits of the Council, especially of Nostra Aetate, and is a specialist in dialoguing with Muslims.

    The Ambassador’s idea was to enter into dialogue with traditional Catholics of the SSPX in the same way that he had dialogued with other religions and from which, to his regret, the SSPX had been excluded.

    Fr. Alain Lorans, one of the four founders of GREC, was the spokesman for the SSPX District of France.  He immediately obtained permission from Bishop Fellay to participate in the dialogue “for a necessary  reconciliation.” He has been very attentive in keeping Bishop Fellay up-to-date with the progress of this dialogue.

    The 'Charter' of this group was defined by Mr. Pérol shortly before his death: it is “to interpret Vatican II in light of Tradition,” which Benedict XVI himself calls the hermeneutic of continuity, in opposition to the hermeneutic of rupture, as Archbishop Lefebvre ruefully observed at the end of his long quest to reach a tentative agreement with this Conciliar Church. In the end, he could see that an agreement was impossible, hence the consecrations of the four bishops in 1988.  

    Commencing its activities with a small committee formed around Mrs. Pérol, Fr. Michel Lelong and Fr. Emmanuel le Chalard, the Group “did not cease to give discreet and special support to GREC.”

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    Two other priests contributed decisively to the creation and life of our Catholic think tank. One of them who has since returned to God was the Dominican, Fr. Olivier de La Brosse, the other, Fr. Lorans of the SSPX. I [Fr. Lelong]  got to know them in 1997 during a dinner to which we had been invited by Mrs. Pérol.  On that day GREC was born. Page 24


    Details: This meeting took place in Rome at Madame Pérol’s home.
    •   Fr. Olivier de La Brosse, who died in 2009, was the spokesman for the Bishops' Conference of France.
    •   Fr. Lorans was the spokesman for the [SSPX] District of France.
    He had obtained permission from Bishop Fellay to dialogue for a necessary reconciliation  with the group.

    Thus we have the four founders of GREC:

    •   Mrs. Pérol
    •   Fr. Michel Lelong
    •   Fr. Lorans
    •   Fr. de la Brosse

    In the months that followed, the protagonists remained quietly within their respective communities.

    Soon after, conferences would be organized, but without fanfare, for it was necessary that this should remain confidential.

    Quote
    Fr. Michel Lelong wrote, “When we meet in friendship, I often think of Gilbert Pérol who, while actively participating in Christian-Muslim dialogue, had the idea of this dialogue between Catholics.” Page 27


    The apostolic nuncios supported this group, along with various other personalities of the conciliar church who regularly informed the Pope of the progress of the dialog.

    The SSPX District Superior of France, Fr. Ribeton, joined the group and, a little later, so did the head of The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.

    To shorten this exposé, you should know that the initiative of the lifting of the excommunications of the four bishops of the SSPX can be traced back to GREC who had already requested it as a part of the celebration of Jubilee year 2000! In any case Fr. Lelong claims it explicitly in this book and provides many quotations from exchanges of letters among the group, the Roman authorities, and the superior of the SSPX.

    When Mgr Fellay tells us that the lifting of the excommunications is one of points of the Society’s roadmap, that is also false!


    They keep returning to the term “full communion.”

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    As far as I'm concerned, having been a priest for fifty years and having devoted my ministry to the relationship between the Church and the Muslims, I am deeply attached to the teachings of Vatican II and I am trying to raise awareness and understanding of those [teachings] among our fellow Catholics who follow Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors.  (Fr. M. Lelong Page 42)


    Thus, the message is clear—Bishop Fellay does not come to play as a naïve schoolboy pretending suddenly to discover in 2012, through a letter from the Pope, the expectation of SSPX recognition of Vatican II. This has been clear from the debut of the discussions with GREC!

    On January 6, 2004, Fr. de la Brosse sent a letter to Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos (Ecclesia Dei Commission) to give an account of the “Tradition and Modernity” colloquium organized by GREC on November 22, 2003, in Paris:

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    At our request, Bishop Philippe Breton was appointed by Bishop Ricard, President of CEF [French Bishops Conference], as the “affiliated bishop” of the group, to attend the meetings and provide the opening prayer, with  Fr. Lorans of the SSPX presiding over the final prayer. . . .

    Thus the very purpose of the colloquium seems to have been established: French Catholics of various and even opposite sensitivities have freely agreed to engage in a dialogue that does not prejudge a total reconciliation in any way—a field reserved to competent superiors—but this opens the possibility, when the times comes, that the dialogue caucus will find before them partners capable of understanding and mutual respect.  . . .

    The number of participants was 40 people, all of whom were invited individually by group members. . . .
    Very great discretion was observed at the express request of Bishop Ricard, which corresponded to our intentions. No professional journalists were present in the room. No information or comments have been leaked during the following days, neither in the Catholic nor the secular press. (Page 45 - 46)


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    Thus, thanks to support from the Apostolic Nuncio and also to the efforts of Frs. La Brosse and Barthe, Cardinal Ratzinger, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, was kept informed of our activities. The election of Benedict XVI was welcomed . . . with great hope. . . . We know, indeed, how during the first months of his pontificate the new Pope met with Bishop Fellay and made statements and decisions that clearly manifested his desire to reestablish  unity in the Church through a hermeneutic of continuity and not of rupture with regards to the teachings of Vatican II. (Pages 48-49)

    and

    Father Lelong and I propose to inform them of this development, of our work methods as well as the results as a whole to our concerned partners, that is to say, on a priority basis: the Sacred Congregation for the Clergy, then the Apostolic Nunciature, the Bishops Conference of France, and the superiors of the Fraternities of St. Pius X and St. Peter. I added some traditional religious communities who had said they were interested and may wish to become participants in some of GREC’s projects. (pp.47-48)


    After the Motu Proprio of 2007, the organizers of GREC sent a new letter to the Pope, asking him again to lift the excommunications.

    From page 55 follows a history of GREC’s activities and of the key figures of different sides who are to be involved in this process.

    Following the Pope’s meeting with Bishop Fellay in 2005, GREC expanded the SSPX side [NB] to include, among others: a very active, very involved Fr. Célier, Jacques-Régis du Cray, even earlier, Marie-Alix Doutrebente.

    [Editor’s note: Not a few SSPX priests, (outside those cited, who themselves are very involved), have participated in GREC’s work, often as speakers. Some are cited in the book, others are not, whom I know by implication from elsewhere. I prefer to not reveal their names, since I do not accurately know their current position regarding the ralliement.]

    It was then that the colloquia revealed the “doctrinal and spiritual convergence” between the two parties.

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    On June 10, 2010, a GREC meeting was held with the purpose of declaring its support of the Pope following “a particularly unfair media campaign,” around “Fr. Matthew Rouge, Rector of St. Clotilde Basilica in Paris . . . and Fr. Lorans, in charge of SSPX communications.”
    That evening, thanks to two speakers’ presentations and the discussion that followed, we sensed how much a reconciliation between all Catholics around Pope Benedict XVI was expected and hoped for, thanks to him.
    GREC devoted its meetings to Vatican II, Archbishop Lefebvre, and the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм, with the participation of historians and theologians providing different points of view, so as to make its contribution during the 2010-2011 academic year.(Page 69)


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    At the time of this writing, one can hope that these meetings will lead to an agreement without delay. But the SSPX must understand that if it has much to offer to Rome, it also has much to receive from it. It must therefore stop rejecting Vatican II outright and accept the guiding principles in interpreting them as proposed by the Holy Father today. (Father Michel Lelong Page 85)


    The stories of different GREC actors follow, including those (for the SSPX) of Fr. Lorans, Marie-Alix Doutrebente and Jacques-Régis du Cray.

    A very important place is given to Fr. Paul Aulagnier, who began when he was District Superior of France, before the foundation of GREC, to open a dialogue in 1992 with conciliarists (notably with Dom de Lesquen, Abbot of Notre Dame de Randol). He continued this role later after becoming a member of the IBP [Institute de bon pasteur/Good Shepherd Institute]. Still very active in support of the ralliement, he has already rejoined and has obtained a parish in the conciliar structure.

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    Beginning in 1992, as District Superior of the SSPX in France, I was happy to initiate new contacts with recognized ecclesiastical authorities.
    One day, when passing by Randol . . .  Abbot Dom de Lesquen was talking to a young man in the forecourt of the monastery. Knowing the role he had played with Dom Gérard during his rapprochement with Rome on July 10, 1988, I approached him and spoke with him . . .  about the rapprochement with Rome, of a normalization of the SSPX with Rome
    . . .  (Fr. Aulagnier Page 104)


    To understand the process of ralliement, it suffices to know the underground work of the group whose members admit to it.

    Reminder: this book was published in December 2011

    It is very important to be familiar with this book so as to know what is important in the future not to do: no doctrinal discussions at any level so long as Rome has not converted.

    This was the point made by Archbishop Lefebvre and which has prevailed until the narrowly missed ralliement in June 2012:

    “No practical agreement without a doctrinal agreement.”

    Inferiors do not form the superiors, and yet, after a practical agreement, the SSPX would find itself under the authority of a modernist pope and conciliar congregations.

    The truth does not support the least compromise with error, and yet the process initiated by GREC is nothing other than a search for compromise.

    In conclusion, here is what Fr. Hewko has to say:
     
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    Fr. Ludovic Barrielle (so highly revered by the Archbishop) commented in 1982:

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    I am writing this to serve as a lesson for everyone. The day that the SSPX abandons the spirit and rules of its Founder, it will be lost. Furthermore, all our brothers who, in the future, allow themselves to judge and condemn the Founder and his principles, will show no hesitation in eventually taking away from the Society the traditional teaching of the Church and the Mass instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
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    Quoted by Fr. Hewko in his Open Letter to His Excellency Bishop Fellay, Society Priests, Religious and Faithful, dated November 8, 2012.


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  • I would like to be unhesitating in my congratulations to you, ancien regime,
    for executing a most readable and timely Opening Post.  Your skill and
    insight are an object to be held high as something all CI members can
    actively strive to imitate.  

    Much obliged!   :cowboy:




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  • Quote from: ancien regime
    ...

    In conclusion, here is what Fr. Hewko has to say:

    Quote:

    Fr. Ludovic Barrielle (so highly revered by the Archbishop) commented in 1982:

    Quote:
    I am writing this to serve as a lesson for everyone. The day that the SSPX abandons the spirit and rules of its Founder, it will be lost. Furthermore, all our brothers who, in the future, allow themselves to judge and condemn the Founder and his principles, will show no hesitation in eventually taking away from the Society the traditional teaching of the Church and the Mass instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ.


    Quoted by Fr. Hewko in his Open Letter to His Excellency Bishop Fellay, Society Priests, Religious and Faithful, dated November 8, 2012.


    It isn't clear to me if Fr. Hewko was therefore responding to the contents of
    this new French-only book.  Perhaps he was, but then I must wonder if Fr.
    Chazal is aware of the French-only book to which you refer, and if so, why has
    he not made direct reference to it in his sermons?  

    This looks, at first glance to be a most devastating compilation of testimony
    to lay to rest the accordista canards that string along like a freight train - maybe
    a more apt verb would be "derail?!"




    Furthermore, thank you so much, ancien regime, for providing your assistance
    in the translation of this French book.   I cannot imagine a better use of your
    skill with the French and English languages!  



    Much obliged!    :cowboy:  




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    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2012, 05:49:34 PM »
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  • Gentiloup added Fr. Hewko's comment as a fitting end to the review of the book.

    I do not know if Fr. Hewko or Fr. Chazal have read the book.

    It is available only in French, in France . . . so far.

    Thank you for your gracious comments, sir.

     :dancing:

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  • You're most welcome.                        






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  • Quote from: AveMarisStella
    GREC Statement on French District SSPX Website


    From the google translation of the link:

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    Believing that the Holy Father will continue to promote the holding of seminars which give way to a " hermeneutic of continuity "strongly traditional, GREC will continue its efforts tirelessly made ​​in this direction. He assured the Episcopal Conference of France's support to be heard by all that the Holy Father's call to reconciliation.


    Yet already in 1972 Archbishop Lefebvre said the following:

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    This Council, then, is not a council like the others, and for that reason we have a right to judge it prudently and with some reservation. We have no right to say that the crisis through which we are going is wholly unrelated to the Council, that it is simply a misrepresentation of the Council.

    Rennes, France, November 1972, "That The Church May Endure", A Bishop Speaks


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  • Can someone tell me if +Fellay was ready to sign a deal sometime after the year 2000?

    2001 possibly?


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  • Quote from: Elmer Fudd
    Can someone tell me if +Fellay was ready to sign a deal sometime after the year 2000?

    2001 possibly?


    Bishop Williamson recounted something Cardinal Castrillon is reported to have said back then:

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    ...Bishop Fellay had the idea way back in 2000 very soon after the Cardinal’s peanuts, as they’re called - that famous lunch of August with the three bishops and the Cardinal.  Soon after that the Cardinal is meant to have said, “If it depended on Bishop Fellay alone, he would be signing,” way back in 2000, 2001.  


    Also, we know that Fr. Schmidberger was trying to sell the idea in the early 2000s:

    Quote from: Ethelred

    An example:
    Not too long after that procession in Rome in the year 2000 in a meeting of priests in Winona (*) which is held every year in February, Fr Schmidberger addressed the meeting of priests, talking about the possibility of a "regularization". A "regularization" of the SSPX with Rome, and he laid out some possible scenarios as to how this might be, and he spoke of it in glowing terms, as if was something that would be most desirable.  
    And among the 50 or so priests that were in the room there was just a stunned silence; you could see the jaws drop. And then when the question period - after the presentation was past, a question period came up - the questions were decidedly negative and skeptical.
    So that would seem to be a good thing.  But then not long after that the various superiors began to be replaced - the "hard liners" you might say...



    (*) The person who told this story from first hand doesn't remember anymore what year it was, but shortly after this 2000 "jubilance" year and in the early part of last decade.

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  • For anyone wondering what "GREC" is:

    {there's another thread here:
    A "necessary reconciliation"..., The seeds were being sown in 1997.. }

    ...using a comment in another thread to bump this:

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    Seraphim said:    

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    “Here is a better explanation of what GREC is (from a November Cathinfo post):

    I have been working with Gentiloup to provide a translation of the article "Pour la nécessaire réconciliation" that was posted on Un évêque s’est levé ! this week.

    I know a machine translation was posted as I was finishing mine, but I thought all of you might like to see the "authorized" translation anyway. The machines tend to become very confused about verb tenses and French pronouns and prepositions. They are notorious for ignoring negative statements and other such grammatical details.

    To answer a previous question, NO the book is not available in English.

    Anyway, here it is:

    Review of “Towards a Necessary Reconciliation” by Fr. Michel Lelong, promoted by GREC
    By Gentiloup (posted November 14, 2012)
    From the web site Un évêque s’est levé !

    I just finished reading the book by Fr. Michel Lelong, entitled: Towards the Necessary Reconciliation  [Pour la nécessaire réconciliation (pub: December 2011)].

    It is a small work of 159 pages, not exciting but quickly read. It is an exposé of GREC, “Groupe de Réflexion Entre Catholiques”  [Catholic Think Tank].

    This booklet summarizes the work accomplished by GREC, it is a sort of glowing report by the author who was present from the beginning of this organization. His goal is to open up the SSPX  to reconciliation with conciliar Rome. Nevertheless, this little book unintentionally clarifies the downward slide of the head of the SSPX and why the ralliement [an apropos French word for the effort to rejoin with Rome]  with conciliar Rome was able to corrupt the spirit at the heart of the SSPX.

    This “think tank” was founded in 1997 with the goal of integrating the SSPX into modernist Rome and convincing it to accept the Second Vatican Council.

    The founders were Mr. and Mrs. Gilbert Pérol and Fr. Michel Lelong, author of the book and fervent defender of inter-religious dialogue and the Council.  Mr Pérol had been the Ambassador of France to Rome.

    GREC’s goal is not ambiguous. It is clearly defined throughout this book by different protagonists as being “Interpreting Vatican II in the light of Tradition,” according to the formula John-Paul II gave to Archbishop Lefebvre in 1978.

    Fr. Michel Lelong is convinced of the benefits of the Council, especially of Nostra Aetate, and is a specialist in dialoguing with Muslims.

    The Ambassador’s idea was to enter into dialogue with traditional Catholics of the SSPX in the same way that he had dialogued with other religions and from which, to his regret, the SSPX had been excluded.

    Fr. Alain Lorans, one of the four founders of GREC, was the spokesman for the SSPX District of France.  He immediately obtained permission from Bishop Fellay to participate in the dialogue “for a necessary  reconciliation.” He has been very attentive in keeping Bishop Fellay up-to-date with the progress of this dialogue.

    The 'Charter' of this group was defined by Mr. Pérol shortly before his death: it is “to interpret Vatican II in light of Tradition,” which Benedict XVI himself calls the hermeneutic of continuity, in opposition to the hermeneutic of rupture, as Archbishop Lefebvre ruefully observed at the end of his long quest to reach a tentative agreement with this Conciliar Church. In the end, he could see that an agreement was impossible, hence the consecrations of the four bishops in 1988.

    Commencing its activities with a small committee formed around Mrs. Pérol, Fr. Michel Lelong and Fr. Emmanuel le Chalard, the Group “did not cease to give discreet and special support to GREC.”

    Quote:
    Two other priests contributed decisively to the creation and life of our Catholic think tank. One of them who has since returned to God was the Dominican, Fr. Olivier de La Brosse, the other, Fr. Lorans of the SSPX. I [Fr. Lelong]  got to know them in 1997 during a dinner to which we had been invited by Mrs. Pérol.  On that day GREC was born. Page 24

    Details: This meeting took place in Rome at Madame Pérol’s home.
    •    Fr. Olivier de La Brosse, who died in 2009, was the spokesman for the Bishops' Conference of France.
    •    Fr. Lorans was the spokesman for the [SSPX] District of France.He had obtained permission from Bishop Fellay to dialogue for a necessary reconciliation  with the group.

    Thus we have the four founders of GREC:

    •    Mrs. Pérol
    •    Fr. Michel Lelong
    •    Fr. Lorans
    •    Fr. de la Brosse

    In the months that followed, the protagonists remained quietly within their respective communities.

    Soon after, conferences would be organized, but without fanfare, for it was necessary that this should remain confidential.

    Quote:
    Fr. Michel Lelong wrote, “When we meet in friendship, I often think of Gilbert Pérol who, while actively participating in Christian-Muslim dialogue, had the idea of this dialogue between Catholics.” Page 27

    The apostolic nuncios supported this group, along with various other personalities of the conciliar church who regularly informed the Pope of the progress of the dialog.

    The SSPX District Superior of France, Fr. Ribeton, joined the group and, a little later, so did the head of The Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.

    To shorten this exposé, you should know that the initiative of the lifting of the excommunications of the four bishops of the SSPX can be traced back to GREC who had already requested it as a part of the celebration of Jubilee year 2000! In any case Fr. Lelong claims it explicitly in this book and provides many quotations from exchanges of letters among the group, the Roman authorities, and the superior of the SSPX.

    When Mgr Fellay tells us that the lifting of the excommunications is one of points of the Society’s roadmap, that is also false!

    They keep returning to the term “full communion.”

    Quote:
    As far as I'm concerned, having been a priest for fifty years and having devoted my ministry to the relationship between the Church and the Muslims, I am deeply attached to the teachings of Vatican II and I am trying to raise awareness and understanding of those [teachings] among our fellow Catholics who follow Archbishop Lefebvre and his successors.  (Fr. M. Lelong Page 42)

    Thus, the message is clear—Bishop Fellay does not come to play as a naïve schoolboy pretending suddenly to discover in 2012, through a letter from the Pope, the expectation of SSPX recognition of Vatican II. This has been clear from the debut of the discussions with GREC!

    On January 6, 2004, Fr. de la Brosse sent a letter to Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos (Ecclesia Dei Commission) to give an account of the “Tradition and Modernity” colloquium organized by GREC on November 22, 2003, in Paris:

    Quote:
    At our request, Bishop Philippe Breton was appointed by Bishop Ricard, President of CEF [French Bishops Conference], as the “affiliated bishop” of the group, to attend the meetings and provide the opening prayer, with  Fr. Lorans of the SSPX presiding over the final prayer. . . .

    Thus the very purpose of the colloquium seems to have been established: French Catholics of various and even opposite sensitivities have freely agreed to engage in a dialogue that does not prejudge a total reconciliation in any way—a field reserved to competent superiors—but this opens the possibility, when the times comes, that the dialogue caucus will find before them partners capable of understanding and mutual respect.  . . .

    The number of participants was 40 people, all of whom were invited individually by group members. . . .
    Very great discretion was observed at the express request of Bishop Ricard, which corresponded to our intentions. No professional journalists were present in the room. No information or comments have been leaked during the following days, neither in the Catholic nor the secular press. (Page 45 - 46)

    Quote:
    Thus, thanks to support from the Apostolic Nuncio and also to the efforts of Frs. La Brosse and Barthe, Cardinal Ratzinger, then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, was kept informed of our activities. The election of Benedict XVI was welcomed . . . with great hope. . . . We know, indeed, how during the first months of his pontificate the new Pope met with Bishop Fellay and made statements and decisions that clearly manifested his desire to reestablish  unity in the Church through a hermeneutic of continuity and not of rupture with regards to the teachings of Vatican II. (Pages 48-49)

    and

    Father Lelong and I propose to inform them of this development, of our work methods as well as the results as a whole to our concerned partners, that is to say, on a priority basis: the Sacred Congregation for the Clergy, then the Apostolic Nunciature, the Bishops Conference of France, and the superiors of the Fraternities of St. Pius X and St. Peter. I added some traditional religious communities who had said they were interested and may wish to become participants in some of GREC’s projects. (pp.47-48)

    After the Motu Proprio of 2007, the organizers of GREC sent a new letter to the Pope, asking him again to lift the excommunications.

    From page 55 follows a history of GREC’s activities and of the key figures of different sides who are to be involved in this process.

    Following the Pope’s meeting with Bishop Fellay in 2005, GREC expanded the SSPX side [NB] to include, among others: a very active, very involved Fr. Célier, Jacques-Régis du Cray, even earlier, Marie-Alix Doutrebente.

    [Editor’s note: Not a few SSPX priests, (outside those cited, who themselves are very involved), have participated in GREC’s work, often as speakers. Some are cited in the book, others are not, whom I know by implication from elsewhere. I prefer to not reveal their names, since I do not accurately know their current position regarding the ralliement.]

    It was then that the colloquia revealed the “doctrinal and spiritual convergence” between the two parties.

    Quote:
    On June 10, 2010, a GREC meeting was held with the purpose of declaring its support of the Pope following “a particularly unfair media campaign,” around “Fr. Matthew Rouge, Rector of St. Clotilde Basilica in Paris . . . and Fr. Lorans, in charge of SSPX communications.”
    That evening, thanks to two speakers’ presentations and the discussion that followed, we sensed how much a reconciliation between all Catholics around Pope Benedict XVI was expected and hoped for, thanks to him.
    GREC devoted its meetings to Vatican II, Archbishop Lefebvre, and the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм, with the participation of historians and theologians providing different points of view, so as to make its contribution during the 2010-2011 academic year.(Page 69)

    Quote:
    At the time of this writing, one can hope that these meetings will lead to an agreement without delay. But the SSPX must understand that if it has much to offer to Rome, it also has much to receive from it. It must therefore stop rejecting Vatican II outright and accept the guiding principles in interpreting them as proposed by the Holy Father today. (Father Michel Lelong Page 85)

    The stories of different GREC actors follow, including those (for the SSPX) of Fr. Lorans, Marie-Alix Doutrebente and Jacques-Régis du Cray.

    A very important place is given to Fr. Paul Aulagnier, who began when he was District Superior of France, before the foundation of GREC, to open a dialogue in 1992 with conciliarists (notably with Dom de Lesquen, Abbot of Notre Dame de Randol). He continued this role later after becoming a member of the IBP [Institute de bon pasteur/Good Shepherd Institute]. Still very active in support of the ralliement, he has already rejoined and has obtained a parish in the conciliar structure.

    Quote:
    Beginning in 1992, as District Superior of the SSPX in France, I was happy to initiate new contacts with recognized ecclesiastical authorities.
    One day, when passing by Randol . . .  Abbot Dom de Lesquen was talking to a young man in the forecourt of the monastery. Knowing the role he had played with Dom Gérard during his rapprochement with Rome on July 10, 1988, I approached him and spoke with him . . .  about the rapprochement with Rome, of a normalization of the SSPX with Rome . . .  (Fr. Aulagnier Page 104)

    To understand the process of ralliement, it suffices to know the underground work of the group whose members admit to it.

    Reminder: this book was published in December 2011

    It is very important to be familiar with this book so as to know what is important in the future not to do: no doctrinal discussions at any level so long as Rome has not converted.

    This was the point made by Archbishop Lefebvre and which has prevailed until the narrowly missed ralliement in June 2012:

    “No practical agreement without a doctrinal agreement.”

    Inferiors do not form the superiors, and yet, after a practical agreement, the SSPX would find itself under the authority of a modernist pope and conciliar congregations.

    The truth does not support the least compromise with error, and yet the process initiated by GREC is nothing other than a search for compromise.

    In conclusion, here is what Fr. Hewko has to say:

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    Fr. Ludovic Barrielle (so highly revered by the Archbishop) commented in 1982:

    Quote:
    I am writing this to serve as a lesson for everyone. The day that the SSPX abandons the spirit and rules of its Founder, it will be lost. Furthermore, all our brothers who, in the future, allow themselves to judge and condemn the Founder and his principles, will show no hesitation in eventually taking away from the Society the traditional teaching of the Church and the Mass instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Quoted by Fr. Hewko in his Open Letter to His Excellency Bishop Fellay, Society Priests, Religious and Faithful, dated November 8, 2012.”


    Seraphim, this is more than interesting, it is pretty incriminating evidence against the present SSPX leaders!

    Question...With your discoveries of this GREC "deception", and many of us do not know about it, can you make a new post just on this topic?  And hopefully others (internationally), can contribute in the replies to build this case.

    Much appreciated...

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  • Does anyone know if any of those SSPX priests who were apart of that GREC "deception", were in positions of "influence" to get some of their "like minded infiltrators" to be ordained in the SSPX seminaries?