Author Topic: Too much chaos among traditionalists (Read 6981 times)

copticruiser · « **on:** November 15, 2013, 12:51:10 PM »

Forgive me for my ignorance but for those who have issue with the ST.PIUS X society claiming they want to compromise and make deals with Rome. Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible.

So heartbreaking to even know that there is a Resistance Group even among the traditional catholics.

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

Despite the compromise of the FSSP I would personally attend their mass as God can judge their personal compromises just so long as the mass is not compromised.

I would also attend a Tridentine mass celebrated by a Novus Order Priest so long as its done properly.

So why the breakup with the st. pius? Without them who knows where good sound catholic doctrine would come from other than our own personal research of the faith?

If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Thankyou and God Bless

Mary Pray For Us
St. Joseph Pray For Us
Jesus Have Mercy On Us

your friendly canadian :farmer:

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2013, 03:25:59 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

But the FSSP is already part of the Vat2 church. +Fellay's role seems to be to smooth the road into it. So he has to stay with SSPX. Besides, there he can be king-pin, whereas in FSSP he'd be a new boy.

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So heartbreaking to even know that there is a Resistance Group even among the traditional catholics.

Heartbreaking, but nevertheless a realistic expectation in the circuмstances.

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If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Have you not read any of the threads here on the topic? They are abundant.

It depends on just how important this is to you, whether or not you give time to reading up (books are better for busy housewives, IMO).

But I'm sure that there will be plenty of suggestions coming in from CathInfoites.

God bless

soulguard · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2013, 03:30:18 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

Forgive me for my ignorance but for those who have issue with the ST.PIUS X society claiming they want to compromise and make deals with Rome. Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible.

So heartbreaking to even know that there is a Resistance Group even among the traditional catholics.

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

Despite the compromise of the FSSP I would personally attend their mass as God can judge their personal compromises just so long as the mass is not compromised.

I would also attend a Tridentine mass celebrated by a Novus Order Priest so long as its done properly.

So why the breakup with the st. pius? Without them who knows where good sound catholic doctrine would come from other than our own personal research of the faith?

If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Thankyou and God Bless

Mary Pray For Us
St. Joseph Pray For Us
Jesus Have Mercy On Us

your friendly canadian :farmer:

Get the Latin mass wherever you can. Don't care who does it.

Einsiedeln · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2013, 03:38:17 PM »

Quote from: Nadir

Quote from: copticruiser

If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Have you not read any of the threads here on the topic? They are abundant.

It depends on just how important this is to you, whether or not you give time to reading up (books are better for busy housewives, IMO).

Yes, important topics demand some time to understand. Just as the excuse, "I don't have time to read/understand/learn about it" would not be justified after things went haywire after Vatican II, busy or not busy, if it's important one has to take the time to look into it.

But if you want a soundbyte answer, I suppose we could start with the fact that
- Bishop Fellay accepted the hermeneutic of continuity,
- said that Vatican II enlightens certain doctrines of the Faith not yet formulated,
- that the New Mass was legitimately promulgated,
- and accepted that the religious liberty of Vatican II "is reconcilable" with Catholic Tradition.

(see the doctrinal preamble)
He has not retracted any of this. Along with that, more and more SSPX priests saying that you have to accept the parts of the poisonous soup of Vatican II that aren't poison.

Wessex · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2013, 03:42:03 PM »

I believe some official Anglicans do a nice Latin Mass ...... and in old cathedrals too!

ihsv · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2013, 06:23:59 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

<snip>...Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible...</snip>

When he apologizes to the dozens of priests he kicked out because they stood up and warned that making a deal was a bad idea, then perhaps we'll take him seriously.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2013, 06:27:26 PM »

Quote from: soulguard

Quote from: copticruiser
Forgive me for my ignorance but for those who have issue with the ST.PIUS X society claiming they want to compromise and make deals with Rome. Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible.

So heartbreaking to even know that there is a Resistance Group even among the traditional catholics.

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

Despite the compromise of the FSSP I would personally attend their mass as God can judge their personal compromises just so long as the mass is not compromised.

I would also attend a Tridentine mass celebrated by a Novus Order Priest so long as its done properly.

So why the breakup with the st. pius? Without them who knows where good sound catholic doctrine would come from other than our own personal research of the faith?

If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Thankyou and God Bless

Mary Pray For Us
St. Joseph Pray For Us
Jesus Have Mercy On Us

your friendly canadian :farmer:

Get the Latin mass wherever you can. Don't care who does it.

Couldn't disagree more.

There is much more to our religion to which we must be faithful than just the Mass.

Surely you would not attend a valid Satanic traditional Latin Mass?

That example proves the point.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2013, 07:16:42 PM »

SJ:

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There is much more to our religion to which we must be faithful than just the Mass.

If it is just a question of being faithful to the Mass, then we here in the 'Spokane area have no need to resist. Because there are a variety of (valid?) Mass opportunities available to us, all within a twenty mile radius. I name a few:
1) Immaculate Conception Church of the SSPX
2) The Dominican school which offers daily Masses open to the public, and served by SSPX priests stationed at ICC
3) The Carmel whose Masses are celebrated by ICC SSPX priests throughout the week and on Sundays
4)An FSSP chapel.
5) Two sedevacantist Mass centers
6) One chapel operated by an independent priest

Masses abound.

Frances · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2013, 07:25:27 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

...who knows where good sound catholic doctrine would come from other than our own personal research of the faith?

That is how I found writings of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX. It is also how I come to leave the SSPX; when the good sound catholic doctrine is no more.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2013, 07:47:12 PM »

Quote from: copticruiser

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

Correct. And that's precisely what scares me about Bishop Fellay and makes me think that he's an infiltrator. He was trying to drag the entire SSPX kicking and screaming back into the Novus Ordo.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2013, 07:49:24 PM »

Quote from: ihsv

Quote from: copticruiser
<snip>...Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible...</snip>

When he apologizes to the dozens of priests he kicked out because they stood up and warned that making a deal was a bad idea, then perhaps we'll take him seriously.

+1000

If he's sincerely happy that he didn't make a deal, in retrospect, then, those who opposed the deal were correct and he owes them an apology. But he's not sincere, and I believe him to be an infiltrator or else to have been compromised and controlled (Krah?)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2013, 07:59:09 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

SJ:
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There is much more to our religion to which we must be faithful than just the Mass.

If it is just a question of being faithful to the Mass, then we here in the 'Spokane area have no need to resist. Because there are a variety of (valid?) Mass opportunities available to us, all within a twenty mile radius. I name a few:
1) Immaculate Conception Church of the SSPX
2) The Dominican school which offers daily Masses open to the public, and served by SSPX priests stationed at ICC
3) The Carmel whose Masses are celebrated by ICC SSPX priests throughout the week and on Sundays
4)An FSSP chapel.
5) Two sedevacantist Mass centers
6) One chapel operated by an independent priest

Masses abound.

Independent being Father Vaillencourt?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2013, 09:31:08 PM »

I agree the two faced backstabbing stuck up, know-it-all meanness and bickering between traditional Catholics is uncharitable and not Christ like.

And they need to break from their little cliques and go out and convert others to Catholicism. They need to publicly defend God, His Commandments,Our Blessed Mother and the true Catholic faith and teachings.

What are the Four Marks of the Catholic Church.

eddiearent · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2013, 10:07:55 PM »

The poster makes a point of sorts. If you accept Casual Frank as Roman Pontiff, you will always have the desire of union with these shysters (the non valid FSSP priests as well) as it necessary for salvation to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. While I support the SSPX in many ways, The Resistance and SSPX have become a bit of "Bud" and "Bud Lite" until you have a clear distinction between accepting the modern hierarchy as legit. Until people start waking up and seeing that Casual Frank (and is ilk) is at best a validly ordained heretical deacon, than it's just nonsense to argue.

Now, that's just on the theological level. Many SSPX chapels have become cult like (I refer to the local chapel as Waco de Sanford) kicking people out who don't drink the Kool Aid, interrogating children, expelling children from schools, etc. Of coarse there is a huge problem here. But my comments above are directed from a theological perspective on the issue of the modern hierarchy.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2013, 10:18:12 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson

Quote from: soulguard
Quote from: copticruiser
Forgive me for my ignorance but for those who have issue with the ST.PIUS X society claiming they want to compromise and make deals with Rome. Obviously Bishop Felly is happy he HASNT made any deals and really encourages us to stick to the Rosary and Get to The Real Mass whenever possible.

So heartbreaking to even know that there is a Resistance Group even among the traditional catholics.

In my simple logic if Bishop fellay wanted to compromise All He would have to do is become FSSP which clearly plays both sides of the fence.

Despite the compromise of the FSSP I would personally attend their mass as God can judge their personal compromises just so long as the mass is not compromised.

I would also attend a Tridentine mass celebrated by a Novus Order Priest so long as its done properly.

So why the breakup with the st. pius? Without them who knows where good sound catholic doctrine would come from other than our own personal research of the faith?

If you know or think you know of any non catholic beliefs that the st.pius is guilty of please just in easy to read point form (No long articles please) list them for housewives who are short on time but big on the truth.

Thankyou and God Bless

Mary Pray For Us
St. Joseph Pray For Us
Jesus Have Mercy On Us

your friendly canadian :farmer:

Get the Latin mass wherever you can. Don't care who does it.

Couldn't disagree more.

There is much more to our religion to which we must be faithful than just the Mass.

Surely you would not attend a valid Satanic traditional Latin Mass?

That example proves the point.

Now this is something I can agree with, Sean. It's about "The Faith, the Faith, and the Faith!"