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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: nottambula on January 10, 2019, 06:12:39 PM
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http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/category/william-ambrose-moran/
Excommunicated Latae Sententiae? (http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2019/01/08/excommunicated-latae-sententiae/)
8 January 2019
According to Ambrose Moran in the following video, I have excommunicated myself because I have “insulted, slandered, and attacked a bishop”. I suppose he means that I have incurred the penalty of excommunication latae sententiae (i.e., ipso facto or automatically). Yet, Ambrose Moran does not cite one canon of the 1917 Code of Canon Law (or even the 1983 Code for that matter) to support his claim. Instead, he uses general terms such as “most ancient canons of the Church” or “the canons of the Holy Apostles”. If one is to make such a claim, then please back it up with specific canons of the Catholic Church’s Code of Canon Law. Otherwise, such a claim cannot be taken seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY_CPzO6w0g
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(starting around the 13 min. mark)
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I don't see the point in further drawing attention to the Pfeiffer clown community. It's a waste of time. They're making their beds, and they'll have to sleep in it.
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What a ridiculous bunch of clowns.
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I don't see the point in further drawing attention to the Pfeiffer clown community. It's a waste of time. They're making their beds, and they'll have to sleep in it.
It may not necessarily be a waste of of time if there are any people still wavering in their support of Fr. Pfeiffer. Look how long it took Tony la Rosa to see.
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A hypothetical question: Let's say for a moment Ambrose Moran is a real Catholic archbishop. Does this give him authority to excommunicate? Or does excommunication require jurisdiction?
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What is this the second or third time Tona La Rosa has unfollowed OLMC. I mean you can't make this stuff up. I mean you even have to feel a little sorry for them because of this circus. I still can't believe that Father Hewko is going along with this. Fr. Pfieffer loses how many people because he insists on keeping the Mexican "exorcist" around and now he loses probably even more because he is so desperate for a "Bishop"? These poor people who can't wake up and smell the coffee when it is right under your nose. They need prayers and more prayers. :facepalm: :pray:
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A hypothetical question: Let's say for a moment Ambrose Moran is a real Catholic archbishop. Does this give him authority to excommunicate? Or does excommunication require jurisdiction?
This is not even worth considering as a hypothetical with how rampant the, "but what ifs..." are with this guy. He's been proven to be a fraud several times over and people still keep pretending that Fr. Pfeiffer just doesn't realize this. Even if Father were to ditch Ambrose tomorrow, how can anyone not see that Fr. P has been lying to everyone for years and cannot be trusted with ANYTHING.
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This is not even worth considering as a hypothetical with how rampant the, "but what ifs..." are with this guy. He's been proven to be a fraud several times over and people still keep pretending that Fr. Pfeiffer just doesn't realize this. Even if Father were to ditch Ambrose tomorrow, how can anyone not see that Fr. P has been lying to everyone for years and cannot be trusted with ANYTHING.
Good point. I don't know enough about this, I was just wondering. :)
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It just means...
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Tony is now outside the Pablo/Pfeiferdom church.
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It may not necessarily be a waste of time if there are any people still wavering in their support of Fr. Pfeiffer. Look how long it took Tony la Rosa to see.
This (what Mr G said)^^^
Plus, I heard there are more seminarians this year than ever before (15 I was told).
Does anyone know if this is true? If so, Fr P must still have quite a few supporters.
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It may not necessarily be a waste of time if there are any people still wavering in their support of Fr. Pfeiffer. Look how long it took Tony la Rosa to see.
This (what Mr G said)^^^
Plus, I heard there are more seminarians this year than ever before (15 I was told).
Does anyone know if this is true? If so, Fr P must still have quite a few supporters.
Many lies generated from the Pfeiffer farm these days.
You must ask, who are your seminarians and how can you feed them?
Maybe Paul Hernandez will called federal authorities to demand Mexican refugee relief supplies?
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What a ridiculous bunch of clowns.
Indeed.
Fr. Pfeiffer's cult OLMC has become a three ring circus.
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If they had 15 seminarians they would be taking pictures and advertising all over the place. No way! No way 15 families have sent their lads to an endless seminary.
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A hypothetical question: Let's say for a moment Ambrose Moran is a real Catholic archbishop. Does this give him authority to excommunicate? Or does excommunication require jurisdiction?
Yes, he'd have to have jurisdiction, imo. The emergency canons of the code allow priests/bishops to provide the sacraments in cases of necessity or emergency, for the good of the faithful. Outside of this, they have no canonical status.
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I don't think such Canonical emergency status applies in this case, because in this trad region, +W has already suppressed the Pablo/Pfeiffer apostolate.
This is a headless, vagus operation that the new bishop could not revive, until he came to terms with +W.
Maybe Moran is willing to excommunicate +W too to eliminate HE's precedence?
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I don't see the point in further drawing attention to the Pfeiffer clown community. It's a waste of time. They're making their beds, and they'll have to sleep in it.
Yes, it is a waste of time. But that does not keep various forum members from bringing Moran to our attention from time to time. I don't think that Moran is a "clown." A clown is a fool, who makes people laugh. He dresses in colorful, ridiculous looking clothing, and performs comical antics.
Moran assumes the garb of a real Catholic bishop. He's got the miter and crozier. He is far more sinister than a mere clown. If numbers of the faithful can be fooled by this man, then there is far more in play here than clownishness.
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Let's see the photos of the imposition of the pallium. :jester:
No prelate can excommunicate without ordinary jurisdiction.
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The term excommunicate is interchangeable with banishment as used by many. Even if he is a bishop, "Bishop" Amobrose cannot excommunicate anyone without jurisdiction. A priest cannot excommunicate anyone. Members of the laity cannot excommunicate. The worst any of these can do is "vote you off the island." Unless a person is prevented by civil law from entering a particular chapel, there is technically nothing that can be done if the facility is tax-exempt. When it comes to chapels that meet on private property, all bets are off. The owner of the property has a civil and juridical right to bar a person from his property. ie. Nobody has a right to enter the land of OLMC.
Even if a chapel is tax exempt, the priest and laity can make it nearly impossible for an unwanted person to hear Mass. (Think, harassment on line, damage to vehicle, graffiti on vehicle, harassment on the street outside one's home...) The priest can refuse absolution, communion, any and all sacraments. One can be told directly by the ushers to leave. If the victim returns with the police, the guilty parties will deny everything. The outward effects of continual harassment are basically the same as being excommunicated, but in God's eyes, there is no excommunication.
Just wanting to get this right. Those who continually claim to have been excommunicated, or that Bp. or Fr. so-and-so excommunicated someone is nonsense.
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As my husband said, quoting Archbishop Lefebvre, "You can't excommunicate me from a church I don't belong to". ;D
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How can Ambrose's hosts continue to support him after listening to that deranged rant? I'm embarrassed for them. Far from the proper demeanor of a bishop, he comes off as petty, petulant and proud. Wake up you people, and send this imposter packing!
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It's all sound and fury. Ambrose cannot excommunicate, where does he get that idea?