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Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2019, 08:48:56 AM »
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    First of all, the Third Commandment is to "keep holy the Lord's Day", not to attend Sunday Mass. There is a difference. The commandment to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days is actually a Commandment of the Church. But this only applies to normal times, which we are NOT in.
    No, there isn't a difference.  The Church defines what "keeping the Lord's day holy" means, which is, to attend mass.  There are exceptions to this, which can apply in times of emergency, which we are living through.

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    Second of all, "Even if one does not like the priest who offers Mass..."? Seriously? Are you really resorting to a straw man argument? I want to say something snarky like, "But my priest has horrible B.O. I'm going to stay home from Mass with my family." Is that why you think some Resistance supporters have left the SSPX? Personality conflicts and mere personal dislike? The priest just rubs us the wrong way? Come on, you know better than that!
    This was not directed at you so I don't know why you're getting offended by it.  I've known plenty of people who view the mass/faith in a superficial manner, based on the priest.  My comments were for them.  If the shoe fits...

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    Lastly, your argument would 100% apply to attendance at the Novus Ordo and Indult as well. "The Mass has infinite graces, it's the Sacrifice of Our Lord Himself, He will reward us for attendance, even if we have to suffer and "hold our nose" during various parts like the sentimental music, the Handshake of Peace, altar girls...
    Absolutely it does not apply to the novus ordo or indult because these masses are 1) illicit 2) doubtfully valid, and 3) immoral.

    My original argument is that IF the main problem with an new-sspx mass is one of PROPAGANDA during a sermon, then that is not a reason enough to "red light" them.  Propaganda is not error or heresy, which are both part of the novus ordo (heretical non-mass) and indult (public acceptance of heretical non-mass).  I define Propaganda as meaning indirect or subtle promotion/acceptance of new-rome's authority or to the political "let's a make a deal with new-rome" situation.

    Once a new-sspx priest crosses the line into outright heresy - i.e. promoting V2, or promoting heresy, or any other modernism - then that priest/chapel should be "red lighted".  Until then, the neo-sspx provides valid, licit and moral masses (in general).  All of this must be decided on a case by case basis, but overall, the new-sspx cannot be written off as heretical...yet.  Just my opinion.

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    Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
    « Reply #76 on: February 14, 2019, 12:56:24 PM »
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  • Absolutely it does not apply to the novus ordo or indult because these masses are 1) illicit 2) doubtfully valid, and 3) immoral.

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    CANON IV.--If any one saith, that, by the sacrifice of the mass, a blasphemy is cast upon the most holy sacrifice of Christ consummated on the cross; or, that it is thereby derogated from; let him be anathema.

    CANON VI.--If any one saith, that the canon of the mass contains errors, and is therefore to be abrogated; let him be anathema.

    CANON VII.--If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.




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    Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
    « Reply #77 on: February 14, 2019, 01:40:03 PM »
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  • Forlorn, I'm not going to get into a theological debate about the deficiencies of the new mass on this thread, but if you want to discuss, send me a PM.

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    Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
    « Reply #78 on: February 15, 2019, 11:33:46 PM »
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  • I would say unless you have evidence either a Priest is non-Catholic or a Mass is unCatholic, you should try to assist at the Holy Sacrifice as far as possible. SSPX TLM, Indult TLM or Resistance TLM is still the True Holy Mass. Bishop Fellay recently said, "I rejoice everytime a Tridentine Mass is celebrated" https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/preach-the-faith-but-preach-it-fully/ I would not object to even going to a Resistance Mass if it was the only option I had. The Mass is indispensable for all creation. Holy Communion is called the Bread of Life. Far more important than the miraculous manna Almighty God gave the people of Israel in the desert. John 6:[54] "Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day." St. Thomas suggests a person gains more merit every week by assisting devoutly at Holy Mass and receiving Holy Communion reverently than if he were himself to die and offer his life in sacrifice to God each time. St. John Vianney says the same when he says Holy Mass profits more than martyrdom itself for love of God - such a great act in itself - would profit, because Mass is the Sacrifice of God for man, while martyrdom is the sacrifice of man to God. But we should unite all our works and sufferings as offerings to God and our daily Cross to Holy Mass to derive the greatest value and the fullest fruit from participating in the Holy Sacrifice. At the very least, we should be making Spiritual Communions frequently, after good preparation at home, if it is not possible to go to Mass for a long time. We shouldn't neglect that, as thinking we can keep the Faith for a long time without Mass is, in the words of some saints, like "trying to fly without wings" Not absolutely impossible to God, but practically speaking very, very difficult for us. This is St. John Marie Vianney.

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Blessed_Cur%C3%A9_of_Ars_in_His_Catechetical_Instructions

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    CHAPTER 13 :Catechism on Frequent Communion
    MY CHILDREN, all beings in creation require to be fed, that they may live; for this purpose God has made trees and plants grow; it is a well-served table, to which all animals come and take the food which suits each one. But the soul also must be fed. Where, then, is its food? My brethren, the food of the soul is God. Ah! what a beautiful thought! The soul can feed on nothing but God. Only God can suffice for it; only God can fill it; only God can satiate its hunger; it absolutely requires its God! There is in all houses a place where the provisions of the family are kept; it is the store-room. The church is the home of souls; it is the house belonging to us, who are Christians. Well, in this house there is a store-room. Do you see the tabernacle? If the souls of Christians were asked, "What is that?" your souls would answer, "It is the store-room. "
    There is nothing so great, my children, as the Eucharist! Put all the good works in the world against one good Communion; they will be like a grain of dust beside a mountain. Make a prayer when you have the good God in your heart; the good God will not be able to refuse you anything, if you offer Him His Son, and the merits of His holy death and Passion. My children, if we understood the value of Holy Communion, we should avoid the least faults, that we might have the happiness of making it oftener. We should keep our souls always pure in the eyes of God. My children, I suppose that you have been to confession today, and you will watch over yourselves; you will be happy in the thought that tomorrow you will have the joy of receiving the good God into your heart. Neither can you offend the good God tomorrow; your soul will be all embalmed with the precious Blood of Our Lord. Oh, beautiful life!
    O my children, how beautiful will a soul be in eternity that has worthily and often received the good God! The Body of Our Lord will shine through our body, His adorable Blood through our blood; our soul will be united to the Soul of Our Lord during all eternity. There it will enjoy pure and perfect happiness. My children, when the soul of a Christian who has received Our Lord enters paradise, it augments the joy of Heaven. The Angels and the Queen of Angels come to meet it, because they recognize the Son of God in that soul. Then will that soul be rewarded for the pains and sacrifices it will have endured in its life on earth. My children, we know when a soul has worthily received the Sacrament of the Eucharist, it is so drowned in love, so penetrated and changed, that it is no longer to be recognised in its words or its actions. . . . It is humble, it is gentle, it is mortified, charitable, and modest; it is at peace with everyone. It is a soul capable of the greatest sacrifices; in short, you would not know it again.

    "And as to yourself, tell them that because you are imperfect, weak and infirm, you stand in need of Communion." (Introduction to the Devout Life, St. Francis)

     

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