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Offline confederate catholic

Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2019, 06:42:55 PM »
One of the biggest problems is that people reach conclusions without sufficiently understanding the actual theology because it can not be studied without a guide and even for those who have studied it, it doesn't exist in a vacuum it is a living thing that is fasted and prayed over so that it becomes part of your life.

The quick condemnations of things that the church itself has not given dogmatic definition to is supposed to be open to debate until the church itself orders silence. We are not the church and we should be very grateful to Matthew for allowing debate
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Offline Incredulous

Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2019, 09:43:38 PM »
Quote from: Smedley Butler on April 22, 2018, 11:22:52 AM
Some ex-Pfeiffer people went FSSP.
Some people received curses, some people went crazy, many dogs & chickens died... :facepalm:
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Offline JmJ2cents

Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2019, 10:38:05 PM »
It is what it is and those of us who agree with Samuel just have to put up with it.  Mathew is in charge here and he is the one who has to answer for it, not us.  
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Offline Nishant Xavier

Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2019, 11:49:44 PM »
Quote from: HisMajesty
It is not about the MASS being heretical. It is about the Priest. 
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Moral theology forbids us to go to valid, traditional Masses of schismatics. Look it up.

As Stubborn said, the SSPX are not schismatics, so this doesn't apply in the least. The Faithful who attend SSPX Masses are Baptized and Confirmed Catholics. The Bishops and Priests of the SSPX are Consecrated Shepherds and Ordained Clerics of the Catholic Church who all profess the Catholic Faith. That is all. There is no grounds for claiming them as non-Catholics.

They now have regular faculties and ordinary jurisdiction from Rome. Does canonical approval from Rome make one "schismatic"? 

If so, then the SSPX was "schismatic" once before when it was setup by the Bishop of Fribourg in Switzerland, which is obviously absurd. The right way to see it is canonical normalization from Rome is good and to be sought if possible. But if it is denied unjustly, then we just carry on as is. That's how Archbishop Lefebvre saw it. We could make the argument St. Athanasius did the same in Arian times during the weakness of Pope Liberius, but he never declared there was no Pope, much less that there was no jurisdictional hierarchy, or that everyone should break from Rome, or anything else like that. And that's how the SSPX still sees it. We don't have to be Donatists and we don't have to worry what others in the wider Church do, except by trying to convert them when we can. We need to carry on Tradition as is, and if Rome wants to grant us normal faculties, there's no reason to say no. And that doesn't make the SSPX schismatic at all. 
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Offline Matthew

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Re: To those frustrated with non-Resistance Catholics on CathInfo
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2019, 08:04:08 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 26, 2018, 12:46:39 AM
I'm simply making a philosophical argument that one's sunday obligation to glorify God through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and fulfill the 3rd Commandment, MUST be fulfilled, if at all possible, regardless of the political, religious and social storms brewing.  Even if one does not like the priest who offers Mass...

Obviously, if one has a better priest and a better catholic atmosphere in which to attend Mass, they should do so.  But if it comes down to "Go to sspx" or "stay at home and miss mass" I think going to an sspx mass is the only option.  The graces God will bestow on you...

God knows what one may go through to attend His Mass.  He will bless you for your sacrifices, even if you endure persecution to get there, or afterwards...

First of all, the Third Commandment is to "keep holy the Lord's Day", not to attend Sunday Mass. There is a difference. The commandment to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days is actually a Commandment of the Church. But this only applies to normal times, which we are NOT in.

Second of all, "Even if one does not like the priest who offers Mass..."? Seriously? Are you really resorting to a straw man argument? I want to say something snarky like, "But my priest has horrible B.O. I'm going to stay home from Mass with my family." Is that why you think some Resistance supporters have left the SSPX? Personality conflicts and mere personal dislike? The priest just rubs us the wrong way? Come on, you know better than that!

Lastly, your argument would 100% apply to attendance at the Novus Ordo and Indult as well. "The Mass has infinite graces, it's the Sacrifice of Our Lord Himself, He will reward us for attendance, even if we have to suffer and "hold our nose" during various parts like the sentimental music, the Handshake of Peace, altar girls...
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