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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #90 on: October 10, 2023, 11:22:51 AM »
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    I am praying that nobody shows up for Confirmation but just goes over to the Priory for the dinner afterwards.
    If people really cared about the Faith, and really understood the depravity of the novus ordo, and the sacrileges/blasphemies that take place in such churches, on a weekly basis, one would not want to step foot in such places, being they are spiritually cursed.


    And if the new-sspx laity were not as brainwashed/indoctrinated/de-sensitized to the novus ordo as they are, one would expect a proper reaction such that Catholics of the 70s/80s had to the novus ordo -- a complete boycott and protest over +Tissier's scandalous and sinful actions.

    If +Tissier and others in the new-sspx want to have "old rite" sacraments in novus ordo churches, let them go join the indult, like FSSP and ICK.  Quit destroying what little Traditionalism the new-SSPX still has, which is what they are doing.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #91 on: October 10, 2023, 02:25:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 10, 2023, 11:22:51 AM
    If people really cared about the Faith, and really understood the depravity of the novus ordo, and the sacrileges/blasphemies that take place in such churches, on a weekly basis, one would not want to step foot in such places, being they are spiritually cursed.


    And if the new-sspx laity were not as brainwashed/indoctrinated/de-sensitized to the novus ordo as they are, one would expect a proper reaction such that Catholics of the 70s/80s had to the novus ordo -- a complete boycott and protest over +Tissier's scandalous and sinful actions.

    If +Tissier and others in the new-sspx want to have "old rite" sacraments in novus ordo churches, let them go join the indult, like FSSP and ICK.  Quit destroying what little Traditionalism the new-SSPX still has, which is what they are doing.
    Dear Pax Vobis,
    What can the laity do when SSPX priests do not see how bad all things novus ordo are??  Fr. Stehlin reportedly stated that to conditionally ordain a novus ordo priest joining the Society or working in SSPX chapels in Poland would be a SACRILEGE.  A young SSPX priest thinks it is a good thing that a novus ordo bishop would want the SSPX to use his new church for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass--they (SSPX) have been treated like garbage until recently!  It is so frustrating to try to explain how serious a threat the novus ordo is---it is as if their brains are infected with the Modernist virus.  It's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers-Traditional Sequel".

    The SSPX priests bear the indelible mark of the True Roman Catholic Priesthood through the Apostolic Succession of their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre.  What has happened to them?
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #92 on: October 10, 2023, 02:33:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 10, 2023, 02:25:58 PM
    Dear Pax Vobis,
    What can the laity do when SSPX priests do not see how bad all things novus ordo are??  Fr. Stehlin reportedly stated that to conditionally ordain a novus ordo priest joining the Society or working in SSPX chapels in Poland would be a SACRILEGE.  A young SSPX priest thinks it is a good thing that a novus ordo bishop would want the SSPX to use his new church for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass--they (SSPX) have been treated like garbage until recently!  It is so frustrating to try to explain how serious a threat the novus ordo is---it is as if their brains are infected with the Modernist virus.  It's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers-Traditional Sequel".

    The SSPX priests bear the indelible mark of the True Roman Catholic Priesthood through the Apostolic Succession of their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre.  What has happened to them?

    We have a disastrous combination of cradle Trads along with some infiltrators and +Fellay's agenda leading to this nonsense, where they're gradually normalizing the Novus Ordo in the minds of the faithful.  They're just a technicality removed from FSSP, and, sadly, I've seen sermons by FSSP priests that are far to the right of the SSPX mainstream position.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #93 on: October 10, 2023, 03:12:11 PM »
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    What can the laity do when SSPX priests do not see how bad all things novus ordo are??
    You need to realize that *some* new-sspx priests DO SEE how bad the novus ordo is, but they are infiltrators, who want to destroy Tradition.  Many others don't like the changes within the sspx, but are hesitant to speak up for fear of getting kicked out.  Still others (mostly the younger generations) think they can "save the Church" and reform the novus ordo (i.e. Benedict XVI style).

    The new-sspx is going through their own mini-V2 revolution.  Similar to all communist takeovers,
    1) Kick out all the loudest opposition  (+Williamson, etc)
    2) Spin the changes as good and necessary...point to all the "good" that the FSSP/ICK is doing to "save the Church".
    3) Once the majority has bought into the lies, then force acceptance or be kicked out.

    If one were to protest on the sspx facebook page, as an example, you'd be shocked that most people (at least online) would be ok with +Tissier's actions.  Or...the moderator would delete your comments/censor you.  The new-sspx's goose is cooked, unfortunately.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #94 on: October 10, 2023, 04:35:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 09, 2023, 08:07:41 PM
    Dear jersey60,
    I am praying that nobody shows up for Confirmation but just goes over to the Priory for the dinner afterwards.  Hmmm...enough room there for all the families to eat, but not enough room for Confirmations??
    I would pray for the same but being that I know many parishioners there, I wouldn’t count on it, if you cross the Prior, the price to pay is heavy
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    « Reply #95 on: October 10, 2023, 04:40:13 PM »
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #96 on: October 10, 2023, 07:18:37 PM »
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    • ---it is as if their brains are infected with the Modernist virus.  It's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers-Traditional Sequel".

    In my observation since 2012, it seems the SSPX priests were prohibited, for the most part, from condemning the evils and errors of Vatican ll publicly, and only allowed to make nice homilies on virtue.  Unfortunately,  this caused a blindness to error.  They don't see it and are not militantly fighting against it anymore.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #97 on: October 10, 2023, 08:00:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 10, 2023, 04:40:13 PM
    Does that roller coaster go upside down? 
    Thank God they didn’t go to Disney. 
    Yes. This is first person view kind of a moderate ride.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #98 on: October 10, 2023, 08:46:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2023, 02:33:04 PM
    I've seen sermons by FSSP priests that are far to the right of the SSPX mainstream position.
    I have witnessed this too.
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #99 on: October 10, 2023, 09:30:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: jersey60 on October 10, 2023, 04:35:32 PM
    I would pray for the same but being that I know many parishioners there, I wouldn’t count on it, if you cross the Prior, the price to pay is heavy

    Yes, Prior Toupee will destroy you if you get in the way of his fundraising initiatives. If you want to attend an SSPX mass in Sanford or any of the missions in Florida you need to shut up and do as you are told. 
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    « Reply #100 on: October 11, 2023, 09:34:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on October 10, 2023, 09:30:38 PM
    Yes, Prior Toupee will destroy you if you get in the way of his fundraising initiatives. If you want to attend an SSPX mass in Sanford or any of the missions in Florida you need to shut up and do as you are told.
    Dear Jr1991,
    This is horrible!  How can we help?  Has anyone tried communicating with the District Superior?  It sounds like he has created his own little kingdom in Florida, and it does not look like the Kingdom of Our Lord.  Sometimes we need to put feet to our prayers.  Did anyone try to talk with Fr. Pagliarani while he was there?  Could you beg Bishop Tissier to stay in St. Thomas More for Confirmations?  Maybe a sympathetic priest who is brave could help you.  We are with you in prayer, especially this weekend!
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    « Reply #101 on: October 11, 2023, 11:13:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on October 10, 2023, 07:18:37 PM
    ---it is as if their brains are infected with the Modernist virus.  It's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers-Traditional Sequel".

    In my observation since 2012, it seems the SSPX priests were prohibited, for the most part, from condemning the evils and errors of Vatican ll publicly, and only allowed to make nice homilies on virtue.  Unfortunately,  this caused a blindness to error.  They don't see it and are not militantly fighting against it anymore.

    I don't think they are prohitbited from condemning the evils and errors of Vatican II publicly. I did in fact have heard sermons by newer priests about this topic. It's just that they don't dwell on this in every single sermon. The SSPX Crisis Series videos still have topics on Vatican II.
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    « Reply #102 on: October 11, 2023, 11:54:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 11, 2023, 09:34:51 AM
    Dear Jr1991,
    This is horrible!  How can we help?  Has anyone tried communicating with the District Superior?  It sounds like he has created his own little kingdom in Florida, and it does not look like the Kingdom of Our Lord.  Sometimes we need to put feet to our prayers.  Did anyone try to talk with Fr. Pagliarani while he was there?  Could you beg Bishop Tissier to stay in St. Thomas More for Confirmations?  Maybe a sympathetic priest who is brave could help you.  We are with you in prayer, especially this weekend!
    It was years ago, but an usher was "kicked out" of his duties for having attended a Mass down the street at a home where Fr. Hewko was having Mass. And in doing so, was left a very nasty message that I wouldn't even send someone. Saying perhaps this news would make him weep or cry! Can you believe a priest would say that to someone about attending a Mass?

    They didn't want me to their website either anymore but I'll take it, Father Duvergier once asked me to scrub the name/pictures of Father Marshall Roberts from the site. The priests in Sanford have been very sketchy ever since it has been a priory to be honest. 
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #103 on: October 11, 2023, 12:12:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on October 11, 2023, 11:13:21 AM
    I don't think they are prohitbited from condemning the evils and errors of Vatican II publicly. I did in fact have heard sermons by newer priests about this topic. It's just that they don't dwell on this in every single sermon. The SSPX Crisis Series videos still have topics on Vatican II.

    I agree. I don't understand why you got a downthumb for your post above. Are we all now supposed to think that the SSPX is totally evil and worse than the Novus Ordo?

    I am sorry to hear about what is going on in the Sanford chapel. I hope that something can be done about it.

    I did once leave an SSPX chapel for many years because of the nutty priest, so I know that all is not well in the SSPX. However, I was able to make the 3 hour drive to my old chapel last Sunday, though I was worried because there's a new young priest now. I was pleasantly surprised that he gave a good sermon, and though it was brief, he criticized Vll and Pope John Paul ll. He also gave very good advice in the confessional. In fact, the last four priests there have criticized Vll in sermons, though not often. I'm appalled at the behavior of the leadership of the SSPX, but there are still good priests in the SSPX, though many here will not agree. It's like we are all encouraged here to not go to the SSPX for the sacraments. It's evidently better to stay home. 
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #104 on: October 11, 2023, 12:13:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on October 11, 2023, 11:13:21 AM
    I don't think they are prohitbited from condemning the evils and errors of Vatican II publicly. I did in fact have heard sermons by newer priests about this topic. It's just that they don't dwell on this in every single sermon. The SSPX Crisis Series videos still have topics on Vatican II.

    Well, I’m going to call BS on this whopper.

    +Fellay posted +di Noia’s letter imploring SSPX priests to quit attacking Vatican II and Roman modernism (the same advice they also received -and implemented- from Fr. Werner’s retained branding firm) in the Cor Unum, and the troops received the message.
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