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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2023, 10:10:34 AM »
That is an interesting discussion.

It seems to me that smoking cigarettes is seem as a bad habit and would make the priest appear mundane and frivolous, while a priest smoking a cigar would be seen as a luxury loving man.

Now, a priest smoking a pipe would look like some sort of very intelligent and intellectual cleric.

Exactly right.  There are in fact some things that are culturally relativist.  So, for instance, going back toward the beginning of the Church, in Rome, men who wore beards were considered boorish and barbaric.  In fact, the term for barbarian is related to the Latin word for beard.  Meanwhile, in the East, men who didn't have beards were considered effeminate.

Similarly, the perception of smoking has changed in Western culture.  If you recall, there were commercials back in the day that made smoking seem sophisticated for the ladies (with the longer, more slender cigarettes) and manly for men (Malboro man).  After decades of government anti-smoking campaigns, smoking is now considered vulgar ... except, as you point out, in the case of smoking a pipe.

I recall a pre-Vatican II joke about the Jesuits, where a Jesuit was asking his superior if it was OK to smoke while he prayed.  He was told that it's not appropriate.  So then the Jesuit tried again, asking if it would be OK if he prayed while he smoked.  To which his superior replied, "Of course, as we are told to pray always."

Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2023, 11:29:26 AM »
Exactly right.  There are in fact some things that are culturally relativist.  So, for instance, going back toward the beginning of the Church, in Rome, men who wore beards were considered boorish and barbaric.  In fact, the term for barbarian is related to the Latin word for beard.  Meanwhile, in the East, men who didn't have beards were considered effeminate.

Similarly, the perception of smoking has changed in Western culture.  If you recall, there were commercials back in the day that made smoking seem sophisticated for the ladies (with the longer, more slender cigarettes) and manly for men (Malboro man).  After decades of government anti-smoking campaigns, smoking is now considered vulgar ... except, as you point out, in the case of smoking a pipe.

I recall a pre-Vatican II joke about the Jesuits, where a Jesuit was asking his superior if it was OK to smoke while he prayed.  He was told that it's not appropriate.  So then the Jesuit tried again, asking if it would be OK if he prayed while he smoked.  To which his superior replied, "Of course, as we are told to pray always."

While people who smoke cigarretes are now seem as the Devil himself, there is a trend to make cannabis legal in many territories.

It is really incredible how Jews can make people endorse the most absurd ideas.


Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2023, 01:11:10 PM »
You’re struggling…and sinking.

Can you imagine what Lefebvre would have said about rollercoasting priests?

Would Pagliarani have even dared to ask his permission (the thought alone makes one blush).

If you can’t distinguish a qualitative difference between rollercoasting priests at theme parks, and soccer on seminary grounds, I’m certain I can’t help you.

And you’re even willing to dismiss St. Pius X to defend this nonsense.  Wow.

I don't like to imagine things like you. There is nothing immoral or sinful about this, and it's not even their 'common' type of recreation. if one were to misread St. Pius X like you did, then any form of sports would be out of the question.

Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2023, 01:21:10 PM »
especially when you factor in that they're milling around among scantily-dressed females.
Come on, it's not like they purposely go there to mill around scantily-dressed females? That's rather presumptuous. Furthermore it's not like they are frequent visitors to theme parks.

Scantily-dressed females can be found anywhere. Suppose a priest travelling on a full plane is seated next to one. Accusers such as Sean will immediately accuse the priest of impropriety. On the other hand, the priest himself can either

1 - keep silent and be careful about the custody of his eyes
2 - evangelize to the woman and still try to keep custody of his eyes

Either way, there will be accusers murmuring against the priest.

Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2023, 01:26:46 PM »
I don't like to imagine things like you. There is nothing immoral or sinful about this, and it's not even their 'common' type of recreation. if one were to misread St. Pius X like you did, then any form of sports would be out of the question.

Fanboy-

Are these words of St. Pius X below consistent with the pics which follow?


"A composed and dignified exterior is a powerful eloquence which wins souls in a much more efficacious manner than persuasive sermons. Nothing inspires greater confidence than an ecclesiastic who, never forgetting the dignity of his state, demonstrates in every situation that gravity which attracts and wins universal homage.

“If, on the contrary, he forgets the holiness of the sacred character which he bears indelibly impressed and engraved on his soul, and if he fails to show in his outward conduct a gravity superior to that of certain men of the world, then he causes his ministry and religion itself to be despised. For when gravity is wanting in its leaders, the people lose respect and veneration for them.”