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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2023, 07:30:29 AM »
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  • Context:

    The Resistance opposes the conciliar religion, and the use of their facilities represents a Reconquista of sorts.

    The SSPX is collaborating with, and joining, the conciliar religion, and it’s use of their facilities is meant to further that goal.

    Apples/oranges.

    You're just trying to paint some apples orange and pass them off as oranges.

    Ah, I see, so there's a problem with the Conciliar Religion.  Hmmm, reminds me of the same argument we made regarding whether it's acceptable to assist at the NOM.  I, and others, likened it to attending a valid Mass at an Eastern Orthodox church.  Valid Liturgy but False Church = unacceptable.  But you don't even see that you're in total contradiction ... or refute to see ... or both.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #16 on: October 04, 2023, 07:54:39 AM »
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  • You're just trying to paint some apples orange and pass them off as oranges.

    Ah, I see, so there's a problem with the Conciliar Religion.  Hmmm, reminds me of the same argument we made regarding whether it's acceptable to assist at the NOM.  I, and others, likened it to attending a valid Mass at an Eastern Orthodox church.  Valid Liturgy but False Church = unacceptable.  But you don't even see that you're in total contradiction ... or refute to see ... or both.

    Even sacraments by an Eastern Orthodox priest are acceptable in grave necessity.  As usual, your absolutist claims pass over in ignorance the exceptions.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #17 on: October 04, 2023, 08:27:26 AM »
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    The Resistance opposes the conciliar religion,
    If by "opposes" you mean they have a personal preference against it (not based on unchanging principles or theology) then I would agree.  Unfortunately, this is the minimalist extent of such opposition.

    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #18 on: October 04, 2023, 10:23:53 PM »
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  • I thought this was a good thing.  You know, the old Trojan Horse strategy.  No???  GREC began a long time ago and it's been careening downhill ever since.   :fryingpan:


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #19 on: October 05, 2023, 01:46:06 AM »
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  • While there is no word yet as to whether he and Fr. Vernoy disgraced themselves again riding roller coasters at Sea World, we do have word that +Tissier de Mallerais will perform confirmations for the Sanford faithful...at the local Novus Ordo Church.

    Just as a thought experiment, I wonder if Our Lord, during His earthly sojourn, would have taken a ride on a roller coaster at a place like Sea World, if the opportunity had presented itself.

    I can't think of a reason He would not have.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #20 on: October 05, 2023, 02:03:52 AM »
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  • Just as a thought experiment, I wonder if Our Lord, during His earthly sojourn, would have taken a ride on a roller coaster at a place like Sea World, if the opportunity had presented itself.

    I can't think of a reason He would not have.

    It seems to me Our Lord would not have allowed himself to be seen as being frivolous and carefree. His life was filled with sorrows and His life was an example for us to emulate. Going on a thrill seeking amusement would’ve been beneath His exulted dignity.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #21 on: October 05, 2023, 02:20:41 AM »
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  • It seems to me Our Lord would not have allowed himself to be seen as being frivolous and carefree. His life was filled with sorrows and His life was an example for us to emulate. Going on a thrill seeking amusement would’ve been beneath His exulted dignity.
    Does it mean that seminarians and priests playing football or other kind of sports or even other games for recreation is unfitting?

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #22 on: October 05, 2023, 04:01:04 AM »
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  • Does it mean that seminarians and priests playing football or other kind of sports or even other games for recreation is unfitting?

    Are you seriously trying to equate playing football on private grounds with riding roller coasters at theme parks?

    Here’s Pope St. Pius X on priestly bearing and gravity;

    “In order never to be guilty of any unedifying act, the priest must regulate his actions, his movements and his habits in harmony with the sublimity of his vocation. He who on the altar almost ceases to be mortal and takes on a divine form, remains always the same, even when he comes down from the holy hill and leaves the temple of the Lord. Wherever he is, wherever he goes, he never ceases to be a priest, and the serious reasons that compel him always to be grave and appropriate accompany him with his dignity everywhere.

    “Hence he must have that gravity that will ensure that his words, his bearing, and his way of working arouse love, win authority and excite reverence. For, the very reasons that oblige him to be holy make it a duty for him to show it by his outward acts in order to edify all those with whom he is obliged to come into contact. A composed and dignified exterior is a powerful eloquence which wins souls in a much more efficacious manner than persuasive sermons. Nothing inspires greater confidence than an ecclesiastic who, never forgetting the dignity of his state, demonstrates in every situation that gravity which attracts and wins universal homage.

    “If, on the contrary, he forgets the holiness of the sacred character which he bears indelibly impressed and engraved on his soul, and if he fails to show in his outward conduct a gravity superior to that of certain men of the world, then he causes his ministry and religion itself to be despised. For when gravity is wanting in its leaders, the people lose respect and veneration for them.” (1)
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #23 on: October 05, 2023, 04:29:30 AM »
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  • Does it mean that seminarians and priests playing football or other kind of sports or even other games for recreation is unfitting?

    For Our Lord, yes. For them, Not so much.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #24 on: October 05, 2023, 04:31:33 AM »
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  • Are you seriously trying to equate playing football on private grounds with riding roller coasters at theme parks?

    Here’s Pope St. Pius X on priestly bearing and gravity;

    “In order never to be guilty of any unedifying act, the priest must regulate his actions, his movements and his habits in harmony with the sublimity of his vocation. He who on the altar almost ceases to be mortal and takes on a divine form, remains always the same, even when he comes down from the holy hill and leaves the temple of the Lord. Wherever he is, wherever he goes, he never ceases to be a priest, and the serious reasons that compel him always to be grave and appropriate accompany him with his dignity everywhere.

    “Hence he must have that gravity that will ensure that his words, his bearing, and his way of working arouse love, win authority and excite reverence. For, the very reasons that oblige him to be holy make it a duty for him to show it by his outward acts in order to edify all those with whom he is obliged to come into contact. A composed and dignified exterior is a powerful eloquence which wins souls in a much more efficacious manner than persuasive sermons. Nothing inspires greater confidence than an ecclesiastic who, never forgetting the dignity of his state, demonstrates in every situation that gravity which attracts and wins universal homage.

    “If, on the contrary, he forgets the holiness of the sacred character which he bears indelibly impressed and engraved on his soul, and if he fails to show in his outward conduct a gravity superior to that of certain men of the world, then he causes his ministry and religion itself to be despised. For when gravity is wanting in its leaders, the people lose respect and veneration for them.” (1)

    Very nice!
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #25 on: October 05, 2023, 05:30:16 AM »
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  • Elle détend tout d’abord l’esprit et évacue l’énergie corporelle en trop, ce qui permet aux séminaristes de retourner à leurs études ou leurs prières avec une vigueur et une concentration nouvelles. C’est pourquoi Mgr Lefebvre la dit « absolument nécessaire » dans le règlement des séminaires de la FSSPX. Les heures passées à la chapelle et en classe sont bonnes et gratifiantes, mais l’homme est constitué d’un corps et d’une âme, qui ne peuvent ni l’un ni l’autre travailler perpétuellement sans répit. La détente est nécessaire.

    La récréation est en même temps une école de vertu. Puisqu’en effet elle est un temps de détente, les gens qui y participent donnent libre cours à leur personnalité et sont donc plus enclins à y révéler leurs opinions, leurs préférences et leurs plaintes qu’à d’autres moments. C’est dans l’excitation d’une vive discussion ou d’un jeu, que nos qualités et nos défauts se révèlent, ce qui nous donne ainsi des occasions de nous humilier, tout en fournissant à nos compagnons des chances d’exercer la patience et la longanimité.

    Les différentes récréations de chaque jour permettent d’exercer une grande variété d’activités ludiques, à l’extérieur comme à l’intérieur. La promenade aux alentours du séminaire est certainement la détente la plus appréciée, car elle favorise les conversations enjouées sans être trop fatigante. Pour les sports en extérieur, les séminaristes jouent au football, au basketball, au hockey sur glace, au street hockey, et pour ceux qui sont moins portés aux jeux d’équipes, il reste la course à pied, la marche en montagne ou le vélo. Les sports intérieurs offrent la possibilité de jouer au badminton, au ping-Pong et au babyfoot. Le séminaire a également une salle de récréation où les séminaristes peuvent lire des journaux choisis, jouer aux cartes ou à d’autres jeux de société, et écouter de la musique. Quelles que soient les activités des séminaristes, elles cessent au son de la cloche qui annonce la fin de la récréation, et le retour aux diverses obligations : l’étude, les cours, les services ou la prière.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #26 on: October 05, 2023, 05:33:40 AM »
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  • Are you seriously trying to equate playing football on private grounds with riding roller coasters at theme parks?
    Which planet are you from? Winona seminarians and priests also play ice hockey outside the seminary.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #27 on: October 05, 2023, 05:37:41 AM »
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  • Which planet are you from? Winona seminarians and priests also play ice hockey outside the seminary.

    What planet are you from, where playing hockey at an empty rink at a Catholic college is equated with priests riding roller coasters at theme parks?  
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #28 on: October 05, 2023, 05:42:52 AM »
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  • Elle détend tout d’abord l’esprit et évacue l’énergie corporelle en trop, ce qui permet aux séminaristes de retourner à leurs études ou leurs prières avec une vigueur et une concentration nouvelles. C’est pourquoi Mgr Lefebvre la dit « absolument nécessaire » dans le règlement des séminaires de la FSSPX. Les heures passées à la chapelle et en classe sont bonnes et gratifiantes, mais l’homme est constitué d’un corps et d’une âme, qui ne peuvent ni l’un ni l’autre travailler perpétuellement sans répit. La détente est nécessaire.

    La récréation est en même temps une école de vertu. Puisqu’en effet elle est un temps de détente, les gens qui y participent donnent libre cours à leur personnalité et sont donc plus enclins à y révéler leurs opinions, leurs préférences et leurs plaintes qu’à d’autres moments. C’est dans l’excitation d’une vive discussion ou d’un jeu, que nos qualités et nos défauts se révèlent, ce qui nous donne ainsi des occasions de nous humilier, tout en fournissant à nos compagnons des chances d’exercer la patience et la longanimité.

    Les différentes récréations de chaque jour permettent d’exercer une grande variété d’activités ludiques, à l’extérieur comme à l’intérieur. La promenade aux alentours du séminaire est certainement la détente la plus appréciée, car elle favorise les conversations enjouées sans être trop fatigante. Pour les sports en extérieur, les séminaristes jouent au football, au basketball, au hockey sur glace, au street hockey, et pour ceux qui sont moins portés aux jeux d’équipes, il reste la course à pied, la marche en montagne ou le vélo. Les sports intérieurs offrent la possibilité de jouer au badminton, au ping-Pong et au babyfoot. Le séminaire a également une salle de récréation où les séminaristes peuvent lire des journaux choisis, jouer aux cartes ou à d’autres jeux de société, et écouter de la musique. Quelles que soient les activités des séminaristes, elles cessent au son de la cloche qui annonce la fin de la récréation, et le retour aux diverses obligations : l’étude, les cours, les services ou la prière.

    Lefebvre is talking about the necessity of recreation.

    St. Pius X is discussing the need for priests to always be conscious of bearing a gravity commensurate with their priestly dignity.

    If you can’t distinguish how some recreations (eg., discos, theme parks, Rick concerts; etc) are incompatible with that priestly state, while others are, then your judgment is crippled.

    On the other hand, you are the perfect representative of the NWO-SSPX, in defending such inappropriate recreations.

    That said, can one imagine Lefebvre on roller coasters (or approving of such)?!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #29 on: October 05, 2023, 06:06:06 AM »
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  • Some, not all, priests need a break and take a few weeks vacation. I've known some priests that never took a vacation and being consumed with their priestly duties in this day and age never even considered taking a vacation and considered the idea absurd. With what's going on today no priest should be out riding a roller coaster. Wwweeeee!! Fools.

    As for confirmations in a NO church, that is a bad thing. Not too long ago when NO churches were being sold off, the NOers in charge mandated that none of their churches or properties could be sold to the SSPX.

    When the SSPX did buy one of their churches, it was only because the NOers in charge were fooled into selling it to someone who told them they were going to turn it into a bar or a bowling alley or a prot church or whatever.
    Those were better days.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse