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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2023, 09:04:12 AM »
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  • What planet are you from, where playing hockey at an empty rink at a Catholic college is equated with priests riding roller coasters at theme parks? 

    Yes, I agree that it's rather unbecoming for priests to be seen this way in public.  Now, it wasn't the worst possible venue as there's nothing intrinsically immoral about it, except of course the immodest dress everywhere in the park (given Florida heat).  Imagine a picture snapped of a priest at the park where there's a 95% unclothed female behind or next to him in the picture frame.

    This seems to show the same type of attitude toward the clerical state that you find in the Novus Ordo.  So the SSPX is now opening their windows to the world, following the tragic example of Roncalli et al.

    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #31 on: October 05, 2023, 09:22:31 AM »
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  • If a priest wears black to show his separation from the world, nothing says 'the world' like a garish, Godless theme park full of essentially silly amusements.  Recreate by all means but going to such an establishment for that purpose is as about as silly as it gets.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #32 on: October 05, 2023, 09:29:04 AM »
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  • For Our Lord, yes. For them, Not so much.
    I have no issue with envisioning Our Lord, during His earthly ministry, engaging in wholesome recreation with His Apostles, or with joining a pick-up basketball game (or whatever the first-century Palestinian equivalent would have been) with a group of youths.

    Scripture tells us very little of how He spent His time outside of preaching and performing miracles.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #33 on: October 05, 2023, 09:45:24 AM »
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  • If a priest wears black to show his separation from the world, nothing says 'the world' like a garish, Godless theme park full of essentially silly amusements.  Recreate by all means but going to such an establishment for that purpose is as about as silly as it gets.
    Whether it's appropriate or not/sinful or not, when I see that, it reminds me of the actions of Novus Ordo "priests".  I can't think of any sedevacantist priest that I knew/know that would be caught dead on a rollercoaster.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #34 on: October 05, 2023, 10:03:16 AM »
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  • I have no issue with envisioning Our Lord, during His earthly ministry, engaging in wholesome recreation with His Apostles, or with joining a pick-up basketball game (or whatever the first-century Palestinian equivalent would have been) with a group of youths.

    Scripture tells us very little of how He spent His time outside of preaching and performing miracles.

    Even though recreation is necessary for most people to keep a healthy mind and body, it is a sort of weakness. 

    Since Our Lord was perfect, it seems more plausible to me that he wasted no time at all with recreation. All of his acts were full of merit and beautiful. He did no useless things, or less than perfect things.

    Our Lord probably spent all his "free" time praying.

    I imagine that the only possibility for Our Lord to engage in some sort of recreation is if it was an opportunity to teach something. Just like when He went to bankets. He was obviously not there because He wanted to enjoy good food. He was there to teach.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #35 on: October 05, 2023, 11:07:15 AM »
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  • Even though recreation is necessary for most people to keep a healthy mind and body, it is a sort of weakness.

    Since Our Lord was perfect, it seems more plausible to me that he wasted no time at all with recreation. All of his acts were full of merit and beautiful. He did no useless things, or less than perfect things.

    Our Lord probably spent all his "free" time praying.

    I imagine that the only possibility for Our Lord to engage in some sort of recreation is if it was an opportunity to teach something. Just like when He went to bankets. He was obviously not there because He wanted to enjoy good food. He was there to teach.
    I don’t disagree with you, and I had your latter thought in mind, albeit implicitly, when I made my observation. Engaging in recreation, with others, could have given Him a chance to teach them, and to, for lack of a better way to put it, gain credibility with them. No aspect of His earthly life was without purpose.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #36 on: October 05, 2023, 10:38:34 PM »
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  • Well, I guess we know why Fr. Pagliarani went to the Sanford (FL) priory to "vacation" again:

    While there is no word yet as to whether he and Fr. Vernoy disgraced themselves again riding roller coasters at Sea World, we do have word that +Tissier de Mallerais will perform confirmations for the Sanford faithful...at the local Novus Ordo Church.







    From the bulletin of St. Thomas More Chapel:



    For more details, see here: https://thecatacombs.org/showthread.php?tid=5573

    Another priest known to me at another chapel has been saying Mass in the local Novus Ordo church, with the permission of the local bishop.  It is not known by me whether this Mass was for SSPXers, full conciliarists, or both.

    Meanwhile, an SSPX Texas chapel of 30 is suddenly overwhelmed by 120 indulters, but not much changed after 10+ years of branding.  No doubt, the new indulters found things very much the same as the Mass which closed down.

    The SSPX is in total collapse.

    I mean, "Nothing has changed!"


    Well, there it is for those who were hoping(including myself)  that Pagliarani would restore some order from the chaos brought on by prior Toupee. It seems like he is just as much a clown as Toupee.
       

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #37 on: October 06, 2023, 01:28:15 AM »
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  • Yes, I agree that it's rather unbecoming for priests to be seen this way in public. Now, it wasn't the worst possible venue as there's nothing intrinsically immoral about it, except of course the immodest dress everywhere in the park (given Florida heat). Imagine a picture snapped of a priest at the park where there's a 95% unclothed female behind or next to him in the picture frame.

    This seems to show the same type of attitude toward the clerical state that you find in the Novus Ordo. So the SSPX is now opening their windows to the world, following the tragic example of Roncalli et al.

    I agree on the nothing intrinsically immoral part. What is your opinion then about smoking?





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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #38 on: October 06, 2023, 01:35:51 AM »
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  • What planet are you from, where playing hockey at an empty rink at a Catholic college is equated with priests riding roller coasters at theme parks? 

    So it's not so private after all, when the pictures have been made public. :facepalm:

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #39 on: October 06, 2023, 04:13:13 AM »
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  • I agree on the nothing intrinsically immoral part. What is your opinion then about smoking?
    As a priest I knew who smoked used to say: "Better to smoke here than in the hereafter."
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #40 on: October 06, 2023, 06:12:51 AM »
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  • I agree on the nothing intrinsically immoral part. What is your opinion then about smoking?

    There's probably some cultural relativity there.  Smoking USED to be considered sophisticated/cool/adult ... and has only after years and billions of dollars of ads come to be considered low-class or boorish.  Priest should avoid anything that derogates from the dignity of the priesthood, and so probably should avoid smoking in public.  They should also avoid smelling like smoke, especially during Mass.  I knew an old priest whose smokey fingers altered the taste of the Hosts when he distributed Communion.  But nothing inherently evil.  St. Pius X used a variation on snuff, and Leo XIII was famous for his cocaine wine.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #41 on: October 06, 2023, 07:14:22 AM »
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  • Even sacraments by an Eastern Orthodox priest are acceptable in grave necessity.  As usual, your absolutist claims pass over in ignorance the exceptions.

    This needs some clarification. Only necessary sacraments can be sought: baptism, penance & extreme unction. Which is another reason why you can’t attend the NOM.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #42 on: October 06, 2023, 07:58:26 AM »
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  • So it's not so private after all, when the pictures have been made public. :facepalm:

    You’re struggling…and sinking.

    Can you imagine what Lefebvre would have said about rollercoasting priests?

    Would Pagliarani have even dared to ask his permission (the thought alone makes one blush).

    If you can’t distinguish a qualitative difference between rollercoasting priests at theme parks, and soccer on seminary grounds, I’m certain I can’t help you.

    And you’re even willing to dismiss St. Pius X to defend this nonsense.  Wow.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #43 on: October 06, 2023, 08:36:10 AM »
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  • If you can’t distinguish a qualitative difference between rollercoasting priests at theme parks ...

    especially when you factor in that they're milling around among scantily-dressed females.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #44 on: October 06, 2023, 09:52:16 AM »
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  • There's probably some cultural relativity there.  Smoking USED to be considered sophisticated/cool/adult ... and has only after years and billions of dollars of ads come to be considered low-class or boorish.  Priest should avoid anything that derogates from the dignity of the priesthood, and so probably should avoid smoking in public.  They should also avoid smelling like smoke, especially during Mass.  I knew an old priest whose smokey fingers altered the taste of the Hosts when he distributed Communion.  But nothing inherently evil.  St. Pius X used a variation on snuff, and Leo XIII was famous for his cocaine wine.

    That is an interesting discussion.

    It seems to me that smoking cigarettes is seem as a bad habit and would make the priest appear mundane and frivolous, while a priest smoking a cigar would be seen as a luxury loving man.

    Now, a priest smoking a pipe would look like some sort of very intelligent and intellectual cleric.