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Offline holysoulsacademy

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« on: February 17, 2014, 02:15:44 PM »
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  • Can anyone guide me to a timeline of how the whole Resistance came about to this present day?
    I am trying to grasp what exactly happened and how everything evolved.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 17, 2014, 02:17:32 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: February 17, 2014, 03:50:43 PM »
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  • As that Sacrificium timeline shows, you can back it up to 1974.  You could even back it up to VII, because there was Resistance even during the Council.   The "start date" will vary depending on how you define Resistance.  

    So, you might want to clarify what precisely you want the timeline for, or precisely what you mean by Resistance.  

    e.g. if you mean, Resistance to Bishop Fellay's or certain elements within the SSPX trying to make a deal with NewRome, you could go back to the 1990s when GREC started, although I think most of the Resistance started in the 2000s, after the 2000 Jubilee pilgrimage to Rome made the dealings with NewRome public.  There have been priests trying to resist it in various ways since then.  

    If by "Resistance", you mean the chain of events that started around spring 2012, I think you need the background of the previous years to put it into context.  

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    « Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 08:34:38 PM »
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  • A very quick, rough timeline of the explicit deal-making part could look something like this:

    ~1997 or so (?):  GREC starts trying to formulate plans for 'reconciling' the SSPX & NewRome

    late 1990s - Bishop Fellay starts planning the Jubilee Pilgrimage to Rome

    spring 2000:  NewRome starts making overtures to the SSPX to 'reconcile'
     -  “Inside the Vatican” article entitled “Rome’s new ‘Game Plan’: Heal the Lefebvre schism”
     - Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos invites 4 SSPX bishops to lunch

    August 2000:  SSPX Pilgrimage to Rome, which provides an excuse for restarting "discussions" with NewRome.  
     - Three SSPX bishops have lunch with Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos after the pilgrimage.  +W tells Cardinal Castrillón "they're 2 different religions."  

    (From this point on, there are various priests resisting the deal-making, but not much in a very public way for a while; you could add details here about transfers of priests, etc. but I'm typing this off the cuff.   Likewise +F's 30 Days interview where he says if Rome asks him to come he'd say I run, and the "accept 95% of the Council" and also another recent interview that just came to light from 2001 or so - as I said, tons of details, some of which were not widely known at the time)

    early-July 2006:  General Chapter of SSPX
     - Chapter reaffirms the 1974 Declaration "we refuse, and we have always refused, to follow the Rome of neo-modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies..." &
     - Bishop Fellay is re-elected

    late July 2006: Bishop Fellay announced his plan for a “Crusade of the Rosary” to “obtain from Heaven for Pope Benedict XVI the strength required to completely free up the Mass of all time, called the Tridentine Mass.”
    It was the stated purpose for the “freeing of the traditional Mass.”

    July 2007: Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм which says, “This Mass of Paul VI obviously is and continues to be the normal form, the ordinary form of the Eucharistic Liturgy." ...“It is not appropriate to speak of these two versions of the Roman Missal as if they were “two Rites.” Rather, it is a matter of a twofold use of the one and the same rite.”  “The new Missal will certainly remain the form of the Roman Rite not only on account of the juridical norm but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful.” and “There is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal.”


    2007:  Bishop Fellay is quoted as saying:
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    ...we could hardly re-enter a Church as is. And the reasons are quite simple. Benedict XVI has indeed liberalized the ancient rite, but I cannot explain for what reason he made such a decision if he then allows the majority of Bishops to criticize and disobey him regarding what he determined. What should we do?  Re-enter the Church and then be insulted by all those people?"


    October, 2008:  new Crusade of the Rosary

    ... Regarding developments in the ongoing conversation between the leadership of the Fraternity and Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei", the SSPX will start this Saturday a "Crusade of the Rosary" to "obtain from Our Lady the removal of the Decree of Excommunication", a "crusade" which will last from November 1 to Christmas Day.


    Jan. 2009 - BXVI "lifts" the non-existent "excommunications" from the 4 living SSPX bishops

    2009:   +F starts saying things like "The Jєωs are 'our elder brothers' in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant."

    late 2009 to some time in 2011? - SSPX formal but secret doctrinal talks with Rome

    Dec. 2010:  Bishop Fellay is quoted as saying:
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    ...the Pope says that there is solely a problem of a canonical nature. An act of Rome suffices to state that it's over and that we reenter the Church. This will happen. I am very optimistic.


    August 2011: +F describes result of doctrinal talks:  " there is a clash of mentalities… In any case, we are certainly not in agreement. If there is one thing we agree on, that is that we do not agree on anything.

    September 2011:  Cardinal Levada gives +F a secret docuмent called a "Doctrinal Preamble" and another secret docuмent which would be the terms of the agreement

    Oct. 2011: Albano meeting of (more or less) the General Chapter of the SSPX to discuss the deal proposed by Cardinal Levada;
     - Bishop Williamson is banned from his rightful attendance at this meeting
     - Doctrinal Preamble is read to priests, but they are not given a copy

    1 Nov. 2011:  British District Newletter online states:
     - "...the stated consensus of those in attendance was that the Doctrinal Preamble was clearly unacceptable and that the time has certainly not come to pursue any practical agreement as long as the doctrinal issues remain outstanding. It also agreed that the Society should continue its work of insisting upon the doctrinal questions in any contacts with the Roman authorities."

    2 Nov. 2011:  British District Newletter removed from internet; Menzingen slaps the wrist by stating that no one is allowed to reveal anything except Menzingen
     - (plus around this same time there was a headline to the effect that +F said "we did not reject the preamble", but I can't find the reference at the moment)

    fall 2011:  Several meetings are held in Europe for the purpose of trying to sell the deal to SSPX priests

    March 16, 2012:  Cardinal Levada meets Bishop Fellay, and gives him a letter, and +L says this letter has been approved by the Pope. This letter says: "You do not have the right to oppose what the Church has taught yesterday with what she's teaching today. You cannot say there are errors in the Council. ... If you refuse the proposal of the 14th September, which has been explicitly approved by the Pope, this means that in the facts you reject the authority of the Pope."  +L essentially demands that +F sign the Doctrinal Preamble submitted to the Society in September 2011

    March 2012:  Cor Unum (internal SSPX newsletter - I don't have time to read it now, but I get the impression this Cor Unum started to alarm the priests that there was an imminent deal with Rome; anyone more familiar can comment on this)

    7 April 2012:  Letter from Three Bishops to the SSPX General Council

    14 April 2012:  Letter of Reply to Three Bishops from the SSPX General Council

    15 April 2012 (100 year anniversary of Titanic sinking):  Bishop Fellay's Doctrinal Declaration Presented to NewRome

    May 11, 2012:  +F interview with CNS goes public, in which he says things such as "religious liberty of the council is very very limited"

    Pentecost, 2012:  Frs. Joseph Pfeiffer and Chazal give sermons which go viral

    And that's as far as I have time for right now.  Hopefully it gives a sort of general starting point, and others can flesh out the details and/or add (and correct; as I said this was done off the cuff)

     

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    « Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 08:55:23 PM »
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  • This 2012 Year in Review from the Recusant might also be helpful:

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    Towards the end of the previous year (2011) an Extraordinary Chapter meeting had taken place in Albano, which rejected overtures from the Vatican which, it seems, would have involved us accepting the new Catechism and the ‘legitimacy’ of the New Mass. This Chapter meeting voted (not for the first time) against the signing of anything with Modernist Rome prior to that latter’s conversion.  Already many people were uneasy: confidence in Menzingen was on the wane, rumours had been abroad for a little while, and the disgraceful exclusion of Bishop Williamson from the Albano meeting (on virtually no pretext, let alone reason) did nothing to improve matters. And yet, many SSPX faithful still decided to reserve judgement, and wait for something conclusive and indisputable to settle it for them. To wait for “a sign”, in other words.
     
    2012 arrived, and the men at the top wasted no time in giving us all the signs we needed and more.
    - In February, Bishop Fellay gave a sermon attacking independent priests (and claiming the posthumous approval of Archbishop Lefebvre for this new position of course!). That ought to have been a sign for us: for many years the majority of the British District priests were “independents”, former diocesan clergy from before the Council, the last few of whom died only relatively recently.

    - Not long after, Fr. Schmidberger gave an interview to the German daily Die Welt. Here was the first clear suggestion that the SSPX leadership might decide to: “...give up our relative freedom that we have used so far for the worldwide expansion of our work and put it into the hands of the Pope.”
    ...and that: “If the Roman authorities do not require something from the Fraternity... [which]is against the traditional teaching and the praxis of the Church, then there will be no major difficulties concerning a regularization.”
    Nonetheless, in spite of these warning signs, there were perhaps still relatively few faithful awake to the very real danger at this stage.
     
    In March came the media frenzy from which we gathered that Bishop Fellay had been closeted for two hours with Cardinal Levada. What passed between the two remained a mystery, but a deadline of April 15th was mentioned. In Cor Unum, the bulletin for the clergy of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay argued for the first time in favour of a deal, saying that things were changing for the better in Rome, and that this therefore justified a change in attitude towards modern Rome on the part of the SSPX.

    March also saw the Good Shepherd Institute being forcibly “Novus-Ordised” by Rome (although this did not become public knowledge for a couple of weeks). The same Rome which six years earlier had granted them a ‘no-strings’ deal in which (according to Fr. Laguerie at the time) “No compromise was necessary!”. Fr Laguerie, lost no time in contacting the French SSPX District Superior, Fr. DeCaqueray, to try to warn the SSPX against signing anything with Rome.
     
    By the time April had ended things were moving fast and the whole SSPX landscape already looked very different. Several things happened during this month, although many of them were not known about at the time.

    On Maundy Thursday, (5th April) Bishop Fellay gave a sermon in Econe. Long and difficult to listen-to (in French), it lamented the evil of being outside a normal structure, and the danger of being in an irregular situation for too long.

    On April 7th the ‘Three Bishops’ wrote their famous letter to Bishop Fellay, Fr. Pfluger and Fr. Nely, telling them: “Don’t do it!” The letter which was sent in reply will still be quoted years from now, and even nine months later we do well to re-read it in order to remind ourselves of just how far the true thinking of the SSPX leadership (evident in this letter, which has never been retracted) has deviated from the right course. Once it became public the following month, this letter was one of the clearest signs for those still inclined to give Menzingen the benefit of the doubt. Although this correspondence dealt with the most important public affairs imaginable, and although it had already been made public, a press release from DICI told us all that to read it would be a mortal sin! It is not difficult to understand why Menzingen wanted the contents to remain unknown. The date on the letter of reply was 14th April, which, as it happens, was the 100th anniversary of RMS Titanic hitting an iceberg.

    On the following day, April 15th, centenary of that ship’s sinking, Bishop Fellay signed a scandalous “preamble”, in which it is quite clearly implied that Vatican II has something to teach the Church (“not yet formulated but implicitly present.” is one particularly terrifying phrase.)
     
    Looking back, it was about this time that the world’s media seemed convinced that a deal was imminent. Der Spiegel even spoke (as if it were a fact, and with the boldness of one having been let in on a confidence) of a very conciliatory letter sent by Bishop
    Fellay to the Pope, which signalled the end of SSPX/Vatican opposition. And while the media are often dead wrong, as the saying goes, there’s no smoke without a fire. On April 18th DICI issued a press release about these media stories that Bp. Fellay had given a positive or conciliatory reply, denying that this was the case (“La realité est autre.”). In hindsight, was this just yet another Menzingen fib? Or is someone perhaps just using a lot of mental reservation?
     
    Rome, we were told, would respond to Bishop Fellay in May. This, we were told, lent a new significance to the Rosary Crusade. Well, yes, quite. Little by little the scales continued to fall from the eyes of many.
     
    In the month of May the atmosphere of suspense and expectation was very high: almost everyone seemed convinced that an important decision would be reached, and so this month saw colours of one sort or another being nailed to various masts.

    Fr. Walliez, The District Superior of Belgium and Holland wrote in his District newsletter that Archbishop Lefebvre “would have accepted a canonical recognition”.

    A similar piece of openly pro-Roman propaganda was offered by Fr. Schmidberger as the editorial of the German District newsletter, in which he also claimed that Archbishop Lefebvre, in his 1974 Declaration rejected: “some of the declarations of the Council and...some of the reforms that arose from the Council,” and ended with a word of gratitude to Benedict XVI for “calling us back from exile.” At a District Pilgrimage to Trier, 2,500 German pilgrims were treated to a sermon in which Fr. Frey, rector of Zaitskofen, opined that the agreement would strengthen Tradition and help little by little to overcome modernism in the Church.

    In France, Fr. Michel Simoulin published an article in the May edition of
    Seignadou, a newsletter for chaplains of the Fanjeaux Dominicans, entitled: “We Cannot be 88-ers.” In the meantime, Fr. Pfluger spoke to a large audience at the annual “Spes Unica” conference in Hattersheim (Germany) to whom he extolled the great wisdom and virtue of completely ditching any idea of doctrinal agreement and instead having as our goal “canonical recognition” by modernist Rome, and making it very clear that this was what was both intended and desired by Menzingen. Within days he was travelling throughout the French District in an attempt to convince as many of the faithful there as possible of the same message of “good news”.

    To the US District, Fr. Rostand wrote a letter reminding them that Bishop Fellay was the successor of Archbishop Lefebvre and “the only competent authority,” when it comes to “the delicate task of our relations with Rome.” He continued: “We renew to him [sic] all our confidence, trust and respectful obedience,” and he urged his readers to form an “esprit de corps around our Superior.” In “filial piety to him, as to the Sovereign Pontiff [sic!] ” he announced a Novena to the Holy Ghost, to end on Pentecost Sunday.
    This letter was placed prominently on the US District website, as was a translation of Fr. Simoulin’s article, a piece by Fr. Iscara (who is on the staff at Winona) about “St. Basil’s Economy of Silence”, and a short while later an article by Fr. Celier on “How to interpret the words of Archbishop Lefebvre” (!)

    In Asia, Fr. Couture’s message to the faithful possessed at least the virtue of being short and to the point: “I would like to make mine the recent letter of Fr. Rostand.”
     
    One positive event was the Consecration of Russia, performed by Bishop Williamson from the Philippines, on May 13th. Many faithful around the world joined their intentions in prayer, even though 11.00am Philippines time meant dragging oneself out of bed at 4.00am British Summer Time! And yes, since you ask, I’m sure it was pure coincidence that Menzingen chose May, at the height of anticipation and with an agreement expected imminently, to send Bishop Williamson on confirmation tour to the Far East!
     
    May 11th saw the publication of a CNS article summarising an interview with Bishop Fellay. It included such gems as:
    “...‘There are some discrepancies in the society,’ Bishop Fellay told CNS. ‘I cannot exclude that there might be a split.’ ...
    ‘I think that the move of the Holy Father - because it really comes from him - is genuine. There doesn't seem to be any trap,’ he said. ...
    ‘I would hope so,’ he said, when asked if Vatican II itself belongs to Catholic tradition.”
         CNS subsequently released video footage of the interview with Bishop Fellay, in English. The scandalous contents will, or most certainly should, by now be familiar to all our readers.

    On May 16th, a Vatican press release said that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith had convened to discuss Bp. Fellay’s response, and that they had decided that the other three Bishops: “will have to be dealt with separately and singularly.”

    The following day, Cardinal Koch told reporters that, regarding the SSPX, Vatican II (and specifically Nostra Aetate) was “binding...and important for every Catholic.” And that “denial of the Shoah...has no place in the Catholic Church.”

    There does not appear to have been much by way of official response from Menzingen.
     
    Nor was there any sort of response from Bp. Fellay in the days which followed, leading up to the weekend of 19th—21st May when he was administering Confirmations in Austria. As with his Pentecost sermons a week later, we were offered the usual imprecise, pious-sounding rhetoric (“The devil is at large in the SSPX”). He indeed seemed to say that the deal might not happen, but only due to either the machinations of wicked liberals who work against the Pope, or his own uncertainty as to whether there would be “safeguards” for the SSPX. Not because of any reasons of principle, as one might reasonably have expected. He spoke in terms of a ‘springtime’ in the Church signalling the end of the crisis, and in what might have been called a “Freudian slip”, he spoke of the SSPX being allowed to keep “this tradition”.

    It was also whilst in Austria that Bp. Fellay attended the district priests meeting, and there divulged to some priests that under the terms of the Roman offer which he was now considering, the SSPX would have to work with local Bishops (whose approval would be required to open a new Mass centre) and would only definitely be allowed to keep open those properties which had already existed for three years; furthermore, that the Pope would choose new Bishops of the SSPX. A few weeks later he would tell DICI that he had never spoken these words, and that the reports of them were “entirely false.”
     
    As May wore on into June, the reaction to a perceived watering-down of the SSPX position and the opposition to any proposed agreement with Rome began to make itself heard publicly. To begin with, two priests stationed in the Asian District, Fr. Chazal and Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, each independently warned their congregations of the danger of signing anything with modern Rome. Recordings of their respective sermons were listened to on the internet by thousands. Although no canonical process had even been begun against them, they were forbidden from saying Mass by both the Asian District (Fr. Couture) and the US District (Fr. Rostand).

    Fr. Patrick Girouard, a priest of the Canadian District, gave a sermon against an agreement where he only quoted from the book: “Catechism of the Crisis in the Church” (sold by Angelus Press). In spite of quoting only from this book, and not having interposed a single word of his own opinion, he was still warned by his superior as if he had done something wrong! Other priests spoke out too: Fr. Ringrose at St. Athanasius Church in Virginia. Fr. Koller, in France. And, most significantly, Bp. Tissier de Mallerais spoke out very clearly, firstly in a sermon at St. Nicolas du Chardonnet in Paris, and then in an interview given to the French magazine Rivarol, in which he debunked a great deal of recent pro-agreement propaganda and made it clear that there could be no agreement with modernist Rome.

    Bp. Tissier revisited a previous theme at the end of June in his ordination sermon at Winona. The following day, Fr. David Hewko preached a sermon at the first Mass of one of the new priests. Despite the subtle, oblique, indirect nature of his anti-agreement message, and despite the fact that he had previously submitted it to censorship and had it passed, he still found himself disciplined for it by Fr. Rostand.
     
    In the meantime Bp. Fellay was in Rome and on June 13th met Cardinal Levada to receive the response of Benedict XVI to his proposed text of agreement. According to Bp. Fellay himself on later occasions, it was he who turned down Rome. However, there is another version of events according to which Benedict XVI himself rejected Bp. Fellay’s proposed preamble because it was too ambiguous: the Society’s acceptance of Vatican II needed to be more explicit! Fr. Pfluger, for one, would later corroborate, in his October Kirchliche Umschau interview that this second version of events was what truly happened. (Whether he meant to or not is another question!) Nonetheless, both the Vatican Press and DICI indicated that “the dialogue” was continuing.
     
    Three letters from the middle of June are worth mentioning here. The open letter to Bp. Fellay, signed by well over 200 lay faithful of our British District, earned us worldwide renown as the naughtiest and most rebellious District in the ‘Brave New SSPX,’ a cause of many a sleepless night in Menzingen! Let us all work hard, dear reader, to defend the title and retain that badge of honour of which we are justly proud!

      On June 25th, Fr. Thouvenot from Menzingen sent a letter to all SSPX priests. Though short, it contained news that Bp. Williamson was banned from the Econe ordinations and barred from the Chapter. Also, that Bp. Fellay would not be ordaining the Franciscans and Dominicans as expected, since he doubted the loyalty of their communities. (We are reliably informed that these actions, depriving a Bishop and capitulant of office and refusing to ordain, were, according to either version of Canon Law, well beyond the limits of Bp. Fellay’s authority, since he is neither an Ordinary nor the Pope.)

      Shortly thereafter, Fr. Clifton, parish priest of Ss. Joseph and Padarn, in London, and 20 years a priest of the SSPX, wrote a reply to Fr. Thouvenot, succinctly and accurately summarising the situation in the SSPX and placing the blame where it truly lies.
     
    The General Chapter took place from 3rd - 14th July: The participants, it is said, were kept separate in small, carefully chosen groups and only reunited towards the end (for which occasion the agenda was set in stone). Having waited with baited breath, the long-suffering faithful would ultimately be disappointed: none of the action which was so urgently needed took place. The cancer was not removed; rather, the better capitulants risked having been co-opted. Despite the positive spin or wishful thinking of some anti-agreement clerics, the resulting declaration was not edifying. Bishop Tissier would later tell Fr. Chazal his opinion of the General Chapter: “It’s a disaster!”

    July also saw the appointment of the German Cardinal Müller (a purveyor of outrageous heresies and liberalism), and Archbishop Di Noia (a more diplomatic but no less dangerous American conciliarist) respectively to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Ecclesia Dei Commission. Bishop Fellay recently described the latter as a “good appointment” made by the Pope to balance the “bad” of the former.
     
    By this point it became clear that the immediate danger of an agreement had been removed. The optimists hoped it had been removed for good, though the pessimists feared that‘our relations with Rome’ would resume once Rome came back from its summer break. Some optimists found solace in the words of Bishop Fellay during his tour of Australia in August. Everywhere he spoke, he stressed the impossibility of agreeing with modern Rome, how we differed from each other, that there would be no agreement this side of the next Pontificate. Indeed, he made the idea of signing an agreement with such obvious modernists seem so utterly unthinkable that some people began to wonder if there had ever really been any move to do so, and to doubt themselves as to whether they had perhaps imagined the scandalous events of the previous four months!

    Worrying rumours were circulating towards the end of August, to the effect that Bp. de Galarreta, a Spaniard, was being reassigned to Geneva in Switzerland, and Bp. Tissier, a native of France, the largest SSPX District in the world by far, would be posted to Chicago, the newest priory in the very pro-Menzingen US District. Like so many   others which preceded them, these rumours turned out to be entirely correct.
     
    In September Bishop Fellay, speaking before a large gathering of priests and seminarians at Econe, said that he had been utterly deceived by Benedict XVI. A few weeks later he would be telling a meeting of Catholic families at Flavigny that whatever we think of the Conciliar Church, “it is still the Church...and it is the only Church”, and therefore cannot be rejected: a far cry from Archbishop Lefebvre’s distinction between Eternal Rome and neo-Modernist Rome. What’s more, Bishop Fellay’s protestations at Econe, that he had been “utterly deceived”, were not only unfair on Benedict XVI, who has, at the very least, the dubious credit of having been a consistent modernist (do not, dear reader, expect to hear me often defend Benedict XVI!), but are also undermined by his own subsequent actions in the weeks and months which followed. Far from thanking those brave souls who had spoken out, who had been loyal enough to Tradition to warn him of the danger and oppose any move towards an agreement, he continued to move against them and to exact punitive measures. In any case, his subordinates (Fr. Schmidberger, Fr. Pfluger et al.) continued to talk openly of compromise with modernist Rome.
     
    Had anyone been in any doubt about the continued drift in direction of the SSPX, October must surely have laid such doubts to rest. Whilst Fr. Pfluger was admitting that Rome had rejected Bishop Fellay’s proposed text in June “...to our great surprise”, and threatening those who dare to criticise authority, in the meantime the screws continued to turn on the good and the brave. Most notably, Frs. Chazal and Pfeiffer received their final expulsion, and towards the end of the month Bishop Williamson also: none of them recognised it, and continued to call themselves SSPX. In the meantime, various priests who had been sidelined and expelled from the SSPX began to work with Frs. Pfeiffer and Chazal from their base in Kentucky.

    October also saw an announcement by Rome which made it clear that they, at any rate, did not view the issue of an agreement as quite so dead and buried as Bishop Fellay had led the optimists to believe. A further disappointment was in store for those loyal to Tradition: Bishop de Galarreta gave a talk at Villepreux in France where he defended the idea of a practical agreement with Rome, thus making clear his effective reconciliation with the official direction of Menzingen. Bishop Tissier, exiled to Chicago, had by now gone disconcertingly silent and remains so to this day.

    By the end of the month, a small newsletter had begun to circulate in the British District.
     
    Throughout the weeks and months that followed, Bishop Fellay gave talks in several places, always slightly different, always carefully designed to resonate with his audience, yet none of them entirely satisfactory to one looking to hear the clarity of the SSPX of former years. His final talk of the year, given at the end of December in Ontario, Canada, is analysed elsewhere in this issue. A full transcript, for those with enough patience and stamina, can be found on our website.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 01:48:17 AM »
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  • Declaration & the General Chapter

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    Thank you B from A.
    Am having some difficulty trying to understand.
    Pleas bear with me.
    The AFD was adopted as the official stand at the General Chapter?
    Or is it a failed declaration?
    We were not aware of this at our chapel, at least me and a few other ladies.
    All we knew was that Bp. W was expelled for "disobedience" - no further explanation.
    We did not make much of it back then because we figured well, this is a matter for priests.
    This was followed by a pronouncement from the pulpit that all the things you read on the internet are not true - referring to sspx - do not listen to them.
    Pretty much took Fr.'s word for it, and paid no mind.
    Until recently, we heard and noticed strange things going on.  
    Nothing we could quite put our finger on.
    So I decided to seek out the info regarding Bp. W on the internet. And lo and behold - CathInfo!

    Since then we have been trying so hard to muddle through the information.
    Some of the ladies say -  "Well it's not a problem the declaration was not signed."
    Others say - "?????" "!!!!!" "Aaaargh!" we have become NO right before our eyes!
    What is the stance of the SSPX as it stands today?
    Can anyone help me reference this?
    The other ladies have no computer and therefore I have been entrusted in figuring out all this.


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    « Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 08:21:01 AM »
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    God bless you, holysoulsacademy!  Yours is a marvelous story, and if you can only tell it to us, it will go far to help others who are strugling!  

    Your mission could be viewed as a vital link in this golden chain.  

    Please don't be afraid to let us know what has happened to you and how you have been discouraged from seeking more answers to questions you have about why the Society of St. Pius X does not seem to operate any more the way it used to, when it was under Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.


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    Feast of  SAINT CONRAD, HERMIT
    Feast of SAINT GABINUS, PRIEST & MARTYR

    Thank you B from A.
    Am having some difficulty trying to understand.
    Pleas bear with me.
    The AFD was adopted as the official stand at the General Chapter?
    Or is it a failed declaration?


    "AFD" is an acronym that Fr. Chazal dreamed up, and from the first moment I saw it, I was greatful for his unique genius.  It stands for April Fifteenth Declaration, which is the same thing as the "April Protocol" or the "Doctrinal Preamble" or just "Protocol" or "Preamble."  These things are confusing enough without such unnecessary ambiguities.

    When the General Chapter happened in July 1-14, 2012, the AFD had been sent in to Rome for 2-1/2 months already, but it was NOT made available for the "Capitulants" to read and/or discuss, because +Fellay had been HIDING IT from everyone's view, that is, he kept it secret.  Don't overlook the glaring fact that he PROMISED even the laity, the Faithful, and all the SSPX religious, that the fathers in the Chapter would be given ALL THE DOcuмENTS to review. That was obviously a big LIE.  Because none of the priests in the Chapter read or discussed the AFD, and they voted on all matters in ignorance of it.  It would not be until 9 whole months later (sound like a nice number for a 'gestation'?) that it would be LEAKED OUT without +F's permission, a thing about which he was unable to hold back his fury.  

    As for it being a "failure," that would not only apply to the fact that Rome did not accept its terms, but that the AFD is an abominable thing in many ways.


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    We were not aware of this at our chapel, at least me and a few other ladies.
    All we knew was that Bp. W was expelled for "disobedience" - no further explanation.
    We did not make much of it back then because we figured well, this is a matter for priests.



    your erstwhile unawareness....

    The mantra that +W had been expelled for "disobedience" was commonplace and widespread among the  Faithful.  The matter of this "disobedience"was generally left out, but there were a few moents when the truth peeeked  through.  +F revealed that it was theM weekly Eleison Commentsthat he did not approve of, and that +W had to STOP  writing them.

    =W reasonably asked for what the content of the ECs were tto which +F had objected, and no reply was forthcoming from Menzingen.   So _W asked again in a nother way, with possible examplesbut still no dice.  

    Therefore +W ran off a complete set of copies for +F to save him the trouble off having to make his own copies, and _+W said, to pleae review these and find the things that you think I should not have said in them, and then I'll be able to know what you're talking bout.

    But gain, there was NO REPLY.





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    This was followed by a pronouncement from the pulpit that all the things you read on the internet are not true - referring to sspx - do not listen to them.
    Pretty much took Fr.'s word for it, and paid no mind.
    Until recently, we heard and noticed strange things going on.  
    Nothing we could quite put our finger on.
    So I decided to seek out the info regarding Bp. W on the internet. And lo and behold - CathInfo!

    Since then we have been trying so hard to muddle through the information.
    Some of the ladies say -  "Well it's not a problem the declaration was not signed."
    Others say - "?????" "!!!!!" "Aaaargh!" we have become NO right before our eyes!
    What is the stance of the SSPX as it stands today?
    Can anyone help me reference this?
    The other ladies have no computer and therefore I have been entrusted in figuring out all this.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 09:05:13 AM »
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  • This thread should be updated regularly so that people can quickly refer to it whilst doing research.

    Such a timeline is vital for fellow Catholics to understand what difficulties the Resistance is facing worldwide.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop


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    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 12:42:09 PM »
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  • B from A, you did a good job on the timeline.  I may have missed one thing though.  Didn't Menzingen inaugurate one "Rosary Crusade" specifically designed to target the Consecration of Russia?  What year was that, can you tell me?

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    « Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 01:23:40 PM »
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    B from A, you did a good job on the timeline.  I may have missed one thing though.  Didn't Menzingen inaugurate one "Rosary Crusade" specifically designed to target the Consecration of Russia?  What year was that, can you tell me?


    Thank you.  And you probably didn't miss it; I may not have included that RC since it didn't have as much specifically / directly to do with the "how the whole Resistance came about to this present day."  

    To answer your question, I think the RC you are referring to was May 1st, 2009, until March 25th 2010.

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    We ask her for this triumph by the means she herself requested: the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart by the Supreme Pastor and all the bishops of the Catholic world, and the propagation of the devotion to her Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart. That is why, to this end, we desire to offer her between now and March 25, 2010, a bouquet of 12 million [five-decade] rosaries as a crown of as many stars round her person, accompanied by an equivalently important number of daily sacrifices, which we will take good care to look for first of all in the faithful accomplishment of our duty of state, and with the promise to propagate devotion to her Immaculate Heart.