Author Topic: Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp? (Read 9711 times)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2014, 02:08:20 PM »

Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?

Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2014, 02:27:03 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?

No, Viva Cristo Rey, I'm specifically referring to the Third Order of the Society of St. Pius X (TOSSPX), which Archbishop Lefebvre established back in 1981 at the behest of lay folks eager to participate more intimately in the life and spirit of the Society at the time.

My hope is to have the SSPX-Marian Corp establish a Third Order of its own, mirroring the traditional aims of the original TOSSPX but with the renewed emphasis on actively fighting modernism and opposing ANY compromises with modernist Rome.

Of course, there is absolutely no reason why a Third Order of Franciscans for the Resistance could not come into fruition as well, for that matter.

All the best!

Bartholemew · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2014, 06:28:38 AM »

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2014, 09:08:15 AM »

Quote from: Bartholemew

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

Sound advice.

obediens · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:19:51 PM »

The SSPX was founded as a Pious Union. Under the 83 Code, and upon recognization they would become a Society of Apostolic Life.

Canonically speaking, as well-intentioned as Archbishop Lefebvre was, the SSPX 'Third Order' does not and will never exist, it cannot exist! A religious order (not congregation or society) needs to have a First and Second Order in order to have a Third Order. Only the great, major orders have them. The following are the only existing Third Orders:

Augustinian
Benedictine (actually not Third Order properly speaking, but rather Oblates)
Carmelite
Discalced Carmelite
Dominican
Franciscan
Mercedarian
Minim
Norbertine
Servite
Trinitarian

This is why many pre-Vatican II congregations had associated confraternities and societies but not Third Orders. For example the Redemptorists have the Confraternity of Our Mother of Perpetual Help and St. Alphonsus. The Jesuits the Apostleship of Prayer and the Happy Death Society.

As far as Motu Proprio groups (Societies of Apostolic Life), the FSSP has the Confraternity of St. Peter. The Institute of Christ the King has the Society of the Sacred Heart. The Fraternity of St. Vincent Ferrer has an associated Confraternity of the Rosary. On the sedevacantist side, the CMRI has the Confraternity of Mary Immaculate Queen.