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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Skunkwurxsspx on February 08, 2014, 09:59:54 PM
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Folks, I'd like to know what you think if the Resistance Fathers started up a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp.
I personally favor the idea greatly and see it as a means of further motivating and uniting the faithful solidly behind the Resistance Fathers.
The rules would be the exact duplicate of what ABL established for the original TOSSPX but with the added emphasis placed toward actively fighting modernism and opposing any and all compromises with modernist Rome.
Just like the current TO of the Neo-SSPX, there would be very little to do at a formal communal setting apart from sharing a periodic newsletter, a retreat every two years, and a meeting once in a while/whenever possible.
Maybe it's not the time yet since the Resistance is just starting out "structurally" with the recent opening of its seminaries and Mass centers, etc., but perhaps at some point down the line?
The traditional study of piety and the cultivation of the virtues is all well and good in itself, but not when the head organization teaching it (in our case the Neo-SSPX) is doctrinally compromised and infiltrated by the Zionist-hugging enemy.
There is no (artificial) divide between the cultivation of piety and matters of truth and doctrine, like the Neo-SSPX would have you to believe.
To be truly pious and virtuous is to esteem truth and doctrine (the entire Catholic Faith, if you will) above all else and to live right up to the consequences of that decision, no matter what. That's what the saints did.
Anything less, and it becomes an artificial, conveniently compartmentalized life--a wishful fantasy, a pious daydream. There is no divide between piety and the taking up of the sword of truth--the cross of persecution!
ABL instituted the original TOSSPX to be a sort of "spiritual amo factory" in support of the priests to fight modernism day-in and day-out and to further the mission of the SSPX. Now, IMHO, it's morphed into some sort of anemic, feel pious "spiritual spa" for oneself, far removed (sanitized) from the fight and the smell of cordite.
Perhaps one day (sooner rather than later) we can have a Third Order of the Resistance!
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Sign me up!
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:dancing-banana:Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)
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:dancing-banana:Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)
I'd rather the d.b. than a dancing . . . skunk!!! :dancing-banana:
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A very necessary thing to do.
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Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?
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Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?
No, Viva Cristo Rey, I'm specifically referring to the Third Order of the Society of St. Pius X (TOSSPX), which Archbishop Lefebvre established back in 1981 at the behest of lay folks eager to participate more intimately in the life and spirit of the Society at the time.
My hope is to have the SSPX-Marian Corp establish a Third Order of its own, mirroring the traditional aims of the original TOSSPX but with the renewed emphasis on actively fighting modernism and opposing ANY compromises with modernist Rome.
Of course, there is absolutely no reason why a Third Order of Franciscans for the Resistance could not come into fruition as well, for that matter.
All the best!
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You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
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You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
Sound advice.
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The SSPX was founded as a Pious Union. Under the 83 Code, and upon recognization they would become a Society of Apostolic Life.
Canonically speaking, as well-intentioned as Archbishop Lefebvre was, the SSPX 'Third Order' does not and will never exist, it cannot exist! A religious order (not congregation or society) needs to have a First and Second Order in order to have a Third Order. Only the great, major orders have them. The following are the only existing Third Orders:
Augustinian
Benedictine (actually not Third Order properly speaking, but rather Oblates)
Carmelite
Discalced Carmelite
Dominican
Franciscan
Mercedarian
Minim
Norbertine
Servite
Trinitarian
This is why many pre-Vatican II congregations had associated confraternities and societies but not Third Orders. For example the Redemptorists have the Confraternity of Our Mother of Perpetual Help and St. Alphonsus. The Jesuits the Apostleship of Prayer and the Happy Death Society.
As far as Motu Proprio groups (Societies of Apostolic Life), the FSSP has the Confraternity of St. Peter. The Institute of Christ the King has the Society of the Sacred Heart. The Fraternity of St. Vincent Ferrer has an associated Confraternity of the Rosary. On the sedevacantist side, the CMRI has the Confraternity of Mary Immaculate Queen.
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The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...
They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.
They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...
In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.
With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.
You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
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The first order for the above mentioned orders are not just priests. They are priests and brothers. The second order consists of nuns.
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Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29879&min=0#p2)
:dancing banana: Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)
What is a d.b.?
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One more thing: If you're wont to promote a 'third order' you would do well to get the spelling correct. "Corp" in American English means "a Corporation" (similarly abbreviated "Inc" for incorporated).
So when your thread title leaves off the 's' in CORPS (pronounced 'core'), like this: "Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp?" -it makes you lose credibility from the starting gate.
The current claimant to the White House gave a speech in which he was reading one of his ubiquitous teleprompters that the Liberals don't seem to care about, in which he pronounced the Marine Corps as "marine corpse." I mentioned this to a veteran Marine, and there was absolutely no question that he was disgusted with the news. I was surprised he hadn't heard it. So I guess I was the bearer of bad news to him that day. He said, "What an idiot. He had better make sure he doesn't find himself alone in a dark alley with some Marines, because they'd show him what being a corpse is all about."
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The Third Order of Saint Dominic has been called the Third Order of Penance in years past and this name was not made up by the Friars of Auvrille. It is true that they have added a little bit to the existing rule, one of things was not to watch live TV, but this does not make their Third Order invalid... they have the right to do that if they want to. Their profession to the Prior of Avrille rather than the Master General is due to the crisis in the church and is completely understandable and again, does not make their Third Order invalid. The Master General today is part of the Novus Ordo church and is not in line with anything that Saint Dominic stood for so I can't blame them for that. The Third Order of Avrille is one of the few good things left in the world so let's not fall into the trap of the "home aloners" where they find fault with every single thing in today's world that is Catholic and split hairs over it until they come to the conclusion that nothing has any validity and just stay home and do nothing.
The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...
They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.
They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...
In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.
With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.
You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
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Fr. Angelico, O.P., organizes the U.S. branch of the Third Order Dominicans associated with the Dominicans of Avrillé: http://www.dominicansavrille.us/
See the resources for joining here (https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/T.O.P.%20resources%20(from%20the%20Dominicans%20of%20Avrill%c3%a9)/) as well as Fr. Joret, O.P.'s 1937 book Dominican Life (https://isidore.co/calibre/browse/book/5436) on how to live the life of a Third Order Dominican.
Any SSPX priest would be able to enroll you.
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Fr. Angelico, O.P., organizes the U.S. branch of the Third Order Dominicans associated with the Dominicans of Avrillé: http://www.dominicansavrille.us/
See the resources for joining here (https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/T.O.P.%20resources%20(from%20the%20Dominicans%20of%20Avrill%c3%a9)/) as well as Fr. Joret, O.P.'s 1937 book Dominican Life (https://isidore.co/calibre/browse/book/5436) on how to live the life of a Third Order Dominican.
Any SSPX priest would be able to enroll you.[/quote]
Even if you're a "Resistant" ? :scratchchin:
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Even if you're a "Resistant" ? :scratchchin:
I know of one SSPX parish who had two postulants to the Dominican sisters in Avrillé, and prayer requests for them were even mentioned in the bulletin about a year ago. Perhaps the Dominican sisters in Avrillé aren't (or weren't a year ago?) Resistance? I thought all the Avrillé Dominicans were Resistance now. Also, it seems that anti-Resistance sentiment is higher up in the SSPX than at the "grassroots."
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Yes, maybe the Resistance needs a Third Order.
However, it needs to have no connection at all to Boston, KY or Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer.
Fr. Pfeiffer needs to do years of penance in a monastery to begin to make some atonement for the damage he has done to the Church and to souls.
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Matthew:
However, it needs to have no connection at all to Boston, KY or Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer.
But isn't that exactly what skunkworx is proposing?
wurxsspx: Folks, I'd like to know what you think if the Resistance Fathers started up a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp.
The only SSPX-MC I know anything about is the one led by Fr. P.
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There is also a resistance Carmelite 3rd order.
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Matthew: However, it needs to have no connection at all to Boston, KY or Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer.
But isn't that exactly what skunkworx is proposing?
wurxsspx: Folks, I'd like to know what you think if the Resistance Fathers started up a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp.
The only SSPX-MC I know anything about is the one led by Fr. P.
Note that the suggestion is nearly 3 years old.
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Note that the suggestion is nearly 3 years old.
Well, shazaam! Your'e right. How in the heck did this topic make its way back to the top?
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Even if you're a "Resistant" ? :scratchchin:
Fr. Albert, O.P., also runs a Dominican Third Order within the SSPX:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/aJM47Rr7N8g[/youtube]
http://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order (http://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order)
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Father Albert was running around with the US xSPX and the Benedictines in Silver City for a long time, until finally betrayed his own French Dominican Order.
He plays Gregorian chant while he's being interviewed to make you think he's holy, but can't hide the fact that he heads a faux Dominican group in Belgium.
The sheer audacity of Bp. Fellay, Bishop Tissier and Bishop de Galarreta to concoct their own Dominican order. They really think they can get away with anything.
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Father Albert was running around with the US xSPX and the Benedictines in Silver City for a long time, until finally betrayed his own French Dominican Order.
He plays Gregorian chant while he's being interviewed to make you think he's holy, but can't hide the fact that he heads a faux Dominican group in Belgium.
The sheer audacity of Bp. Fellay, Bishop Tissier and Bishop de Galarreta to concoct their own Dominican order. They really think they can get away with anything.
Under whose authority are the Dominicans of Avrillé? Bp. Williamson's now?
Are the SSPX's orders connected to the Conciliar Church's somehow, anyways?
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The superior of the Dominicans of Avrillé is Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., not +Fellay, as Fr. Albert, O.P. has tried to argue. The Dominicans support and work alongside +Williamson and the other bishops and priests of the Resistance, however. On their English-speaking website, there is an article that refutes the false claims of the neo-SSPX and their Dominican "community":
http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/
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The superior of the Dominicans of Avrillé is Fr. Pierre Marie, O.P., not +Fellay, as Fr. Albert, O.P. has tried to argue.
How does he argue that? Bp. Fellay is not a Dominican.The Dominicans support and work alongside +Williamson and the other bishops and priests of the Resistance, however. On their English-speaking website, there is an article that refutes the false claims of the neo-SSPX and their Dominican "community":
http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/
thanks
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The sheer audacity of Bp. Fellay, Bishop Tissier and Bishop de Galarreta to concoct their own Dominican order.
Weren't the Avrillé Dominicans "concocted" in a similar way, though?
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How does he argue that? Bp. Fellay is not a Dominican.
Fr. Albert, O.P. thinks that the SSPX(and it's superior general) is a higher authority than the superior of the Avrille Dominicans, to which Fr. professed his vows. Fr. tries to argue that since +ABL helped them get established, he and his successors would be the true superiors of the congregation. The Archbishop explicitly said he was not the superior of the Avrille Dominicans and placed his trust in the prior.
+de Galarreta is also not a Dominican, merely complicit in this "illegal" foundation. The neo-SSPX saw that Avrille was not going to go along with a deal with Modernist Rome and had to establish their own group of Dominicans who would not speak up.
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+ABL helped them get established, he and his successors would be the true superiors of the congregation. The Archbishop explicitly said he was not the superior of the Avrille Dominicans and placed his trust in the prior.
When were the Dominicans of Avrillé founded?
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When were the Dominicans of Avrillé founded?
I want to say in the mid to late 1970's. At that time, there would have been no Avrille prior, unlike the situation with Fr. Albert, O.P. and +Fellay/+de Galarreta. +ABL made it clear in 1981 that he would not be the Master General and was only a witness that the community was part of Catholic Tradition.
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The sheer audacity of Bp. Fellay, Bishop Tissier and Bishop de Galarreta to concoct their own Dominican order.
Weren't the Avrillé Dominicans "concocted" in a similar way, though?
The SSPX was concocted to fit an emergency situation.
The Dominicans had a 700 year precedence, and Avrille represented those who stayed true to the Faith, while most of the order collapsed to modernism.
Here's their condensed history from their website:
-Constitutions of the Order of Friars Preachers
“What shall become of poor sinners?”
-St. Dominic at prayer
Saint Dominic (1170-1221) was a canon regular in Osma, Spain. During a trip in 1203 in the South of France, infested at that time with Albigensian heretics, he realized that the keeper of the inn where he was spending the night was a heretic. Immediately he endeavored to convert him and, after a night of discussing, succeeded. The historians will mark this episode as a turning point in the life of St. Dominic. Soon after, Providence will lead the saint to dedicate himself to the conversion of heretics, and in 1216 he will found the Order of Friars Preachers, instituted from its birth for the preaching of doctrine against heresy. His burning desire was to save souls by liberating them from the principal cause of their perdition: error.
For almost eight centuries, the sons of St. Dominic had continued to live this mission of spreading the truth in a world full of errors, exposing the mysteries of the Catholic faith and defending them against heretics and unbelievers.
However, in the wake of Vatican II, this heritage was largely abandoned. Our community was founded in France in 1975 with the goal of preserving the traditional Dominican life with all the monastic observances that have been the strength of our order since the beginning. In particular, the liturgy is celebrated according to the traditional Dominican rite.
With regard to the crisis in the Church, the community holds firm to the prudent policy of Archbishop Lefebvre: refusal to cooperate in any way with the modernist destruction of the Church, without falling into the [too] “simple solution” of sedevacantism. In 1981, it was Archbishop Lefebvre himself who received the solemn vows of our Father Prior.
Today the community has members from Europe, North America, Asia and Australia.
We are based in Avrillé, France (near Angers, 90 minutes southwest of Paris), in a former monastery of the Grandmontain Order (suppressed in the late 18th century).
(http://www.dominicansavrille.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Our-monastery-300x202.jpg)
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Thanks for asking the question Geremia. :wink:
Let's dig up the history of the Menzingen plot against the Dominicans:
Here's recount of the Msgr. Fellay's treachery from the Dominican website: LINK (http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/)
Response to an article on the SSPX-USA website
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An article called “A New Dominican Community” was published on October 24, 2014 on the SSPX USA web site1. Here are the principle passages with some added commentary.
It is interesting to note that on 24 October, the same day this article appeared, two Dominican Fathers from Avrillé arrived in the United States for a 15 day stay to visit the Dominican Tertiaries attached to the Avrillé friary.
Two days later on 26 October, the SSPX District Superior of the United States. Fr. Wegner, sent a letter to all his priests and to all the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the Avrillé Tertiaries to join the Steffeshausen Third Order.
In his turn, on 31 October, Fr. Albert sent a letter to the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the same Tertiaries to join his Third Order.
The Avrillé Dominican Fathers
Start of the article appearing on the SSPX-USA web site:
A New Dominican Community
“Find out about a new traditional religious community, the Dominican Friars of Steffeshausen, Belgium, and see how you can help them… or even join the Third Order of St. Dominic.
A video has just been posted about a new foundation of traditional Dominican friars in Belgium and the Third Order that they are offering to the faithful.
This new community of traditional Dominican friars was founded on November 15, 2013 in Steffeshausen, a little village in the southeast corner of Belgium. They were invited there by the villagers after the death of their parish priest, who had kept the traditional Mass and was persecuted by his bishop some 25 years ago.
They offered the church and rectory built by this priest to these friars as a first home for their fledgling community.”
Our Commentary: The Steffeshausen house was not offered to these four priests, but to the Avrillé Dominicans. Here are the facts:
On 26 January 2013, during a meeting in Suresnes, in the presence of Fr. de Cacqueray [then District Superior of France], Bishop Fellay asked the Avrillé Dominicans to bring together five “vagus” Dominicans (all perpetually professed to the Avrillé friary) in a house which would be under the jurisdiction of Avrillé. That day, Bishop Fellay promised to support that foundation with his authority and to tell the religious who would refuse to submit that they must remove the habit or they would no longer be recognized as Dominicans by the Society of St. Pius X.
The Avrillé Dominicans accepted this decision. A committee of lay people who were taking care of the house of Steffeshausen contacted the Avrillé Dominicans early February 2013 offering to hand over this house, so the fathers proposed to Bishop Fellay that the foundation be made there. The bishop accepted, and contacted the five religious to offer to install them in this house.
However, in June 2013, Bishop de Galarreta told Avrillé that it was he who would take this foundation under his authority. When the fathers told him that Bishop Fellay had promised that the foundation would be instituted under the authority of Avrillé, Bishop de Galarreta answered, “Bishop Fellay considers himself to be relieved of his promise.”
He declined to comment further and referred to Bishop Fellay. Father Prior of Avrillé then wrote three letters to Bishop Fellay on 14 July, 26 July and 11 August 2013 (the last of which was personally delivered by Fr. de Cacqueray) asking for explanations— he has never received a response.
The SSPX article continues:
“Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, who assists those religious communities affiliated with the SSPX, accepted to help the foundation as its ecclesiastical superior. You can help the Dominicans by making a donation . . . On their behalf, thank you very much for your support!”
(End of the text from the web site of the SSPX-USA.)
Our Commentary: The Dominican Order, which is an exempt Order, has never been put under the jurisdiction of a bishop.
What’s more, being a bishop without jurisdiction, Bishop de Galaretta’s action of removing the five religious from their legitimate superior, without that superior’s agreement, is an illegitimate act and indicates a schismatic mentality by attributing to the bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre a jurisdiction they do not have and which Archbishop Lefebvre never wanted to give to them because he himself did not have it, as he so often said.
In the video presented with this article, Fr. Albert recounts his history and very rapidly skims over the 19 years of his life that he spent with “some traditional Dominicans in France,” omitting to say that he was a part of the Avrillé community, that he studied there, that he received all his ecclesiastical orders from as a member of this community and that he made a vow of perpetual obedience between the hands of the prior of Avrillé.
He also forgets to tell that he was sent to the United States in 2006 by his superiors in Avrillé, on the recommendation of Bishop Fellay, and that afterwards he refused to return to the Avrillé friary where his superiors still wait for him. He also keeps quiet about the situation of the four other religious, all perpetually professed to Avrillé, of whom three left the friary in the middle of the night of 11-12 April 2011 with the complicity of the German SSPX District Superior, Fr. Franz Schmidberger. There are many lapses of memory and much silence in the telling of this tale.
This foundation, made on dishonesty and disobedience, is a violation of religious law.
But above all, in the current context, it is a maneuver by Menzingen to weaken the Avrillé community and to have a nice, happy community of Menzingen Dominicans, who neither bark nor bite.
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You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
You do not know what you are speaking of. The Society does have a First Order (priests), Second Order (sisters) and Third Order. It was lawfully established and Archbishop Lefebvre was always very careful not to take upon himself any authority he did not possess.
The traditional Benedictines, Dominicans, Franciscans, Carmelites etc...are all very good and praiseworthy, but there is most definitely a legitimate Third Order of the SSPX. We are not
bound under penalty of sin. The Society does not have to be an "Order" to have orders within it.
When the Third Order was established, there were few, very few, of any other orders saying the true Mass, and none of us who desired to belong to a Third Order, wished to join any of the corrupted Orders. What Archbishop Lefebvre gave us was a way to benefit from all the Masses, Offices and other prayers and good works performed by all of the priests of the Society. We were and still are thrilled with and benefiting from that.
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Sorry, Pilar but you're wrong.
The SSPX was founded as a Pious Union under the 1917 Code. Under the 1983 Code, and upon a deal with Rome, they'd be a Society of Apostolic Life.
Canonically speaking, as well-intentioned as Archbishop Lefebvre was, the SSPX 'Third Order' does not and cannot exist - barring an extraordinary and unprecedented papal intervention. A religious order (not congregation or society) needs to have a First and Second Order in order to have a Third Order. Only the great, major orders have them. The following are the only existing Third Orders:
Augustinian
Benedictine (not a Third Order properly speaking, but rather Oblates of individual houses)
Carmelite
Discalced Carmelite
Dominican
Franciscan
Mercedarian
Minim
Norbertine
Servite
Trinitarian
This is why many pre-Vatican II congregations had associated confraternities and societies but not Third Orders. For example the Redemptorists have the Confraternity of Our Mother of Perpetual Help. The Jesuits have the Apostleship of Prayer and the Happy Death Society.
As far as Motu Proprio groups (Societies of Apostolic Life), the FSSP has the Confraternity of St. Peter. The Institute of Christ the King has the Society of the Sacred Heart. The Fraternity of St. Vincent Ferrer has an associated Confraternity of the Rosary. On the sedevacantist side, the CMRI has the Confraternity of Mary Immaculate Queen.
Hope this helps.
You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.
You do not know what you are speaking of. The Society does have a First Order (priests), Second Order (sisters) and Third Order. It was lawfully established and Archbishop Lefebvre was always very careful not to take upon himself any authority he did not possess.
The traditional Benedictines, Dominicans, Franciscans, Carmelites etc...are all very good and praiseworthy, but there is most definitely a legitimate Third Order of the SSPX. We are not
bound under penalty of sin. The Society does not have to be an "Order" to have orders within it.
When the Third Order was established, there were few, very few, of any other orders saying the true Mass, and none of us who desired to belong to a Third Order, wished to join any of the corrupted Orders. What Archbishop Lefebvre gave us was a way to benefit from all the Masses, Offices and other prayers and good works performed by all of the priests of the Society. We were and still are thrilled with and benefiting from that.