Author Topic: Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp? (Read 7368 times)

Skunkwurxsspx · « **on:** February 08, 2014, 09:59:54 PM »

Folks, I'd like to know what you think if the Resistance Fathers started up a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp.

I personally favor the idea greatly and see it as a means of further motivating and uniting the faithful solidly behind the Resistance Fathers.

The rules would be the exact duplicate of what ABL established for the original TOSSPX but with the added emphasis placed toward actively fighting modernism and opposing any and all compromises with modernist Rome.

Just like the current TO of the Neo-SSPX, there would be very little to do at a formal communal setting apart from sharing a periodic newsletter, a retreat every two years, and a meeting once in a while/whenever possible.

Maybe it's not the time yet since the Resistance is just starting out "structurally" with the recent opening of its seminaries and Mass centers, etc., but perhaps at some point down the line?

The traditional study of piety and the cultivation of the virtues is all well and good in itself, but not when the head organization teaching it (in our case the Neo-SSPX) is doctrinally compromised and infiltrated by the Zionist-hugging enemy.

There is no (artificial) divide between the cultivation of piety and matters of truth and doctrine, like the Neo-SSPX would have you to believe.

To be truly pious and virtuous is to esteem truth and doctrine (the entire Catholic Faith, if you will) above all else and to live right up to the consequences of that decision, no matter what. That's what the saints did.

Anything less, and it becomes an artificial, conveniently compartmentalized life--a wishful fantasy, a pious daydream. There is no divide between piety and the taking up of the sword of truth--the cross of persecution!

ABL instituted the original TOSSPX to be a sort of "spiritual amo factory" in support of the priests to fight modernism day-in and day-out and to further the mission of the SSPX. Now, IMHO, it's morphed into some sort of anemic, feel pious "spiritual spa" for oneself, far removed (sanitized) from the fight and the smell of cordite.

Perhaps one day (sooner rather than later) we can have a Third Order of the Resistance!

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2014, 01:15:10 AM »

Sign me up!

Frances · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2014, 01:28:34 PM »

:dancing-banana:Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)

Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2014, 01:41:19 PM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)

I'd rather the d.b. than a dancing . . . skunk!!! :dancing-banana:

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2014, 01:52:16 PM »

A very necessary thing to do.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2014, 02:08:20 PM »

Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?

Skunkwurxsspx · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2014, 02:27:03 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

Are you talking about Third Order of Franciscans? What did Archbishop Lefebvre have?

No, Viva Cristo Rey, I'm specifically referring to the Third Order of the Society of St. Pius X (TOSSPX), which Archbishop Lefebvre established back in 1981 at the behest of lay folks eager to participate more intimately in the life and spirit of the Society at the time.

My hope is to have the SSPX-Marian Corp establish a Third Order of its own, mirroring the traditional aims of the original TOSSPX but with the renewed emphasis on actively fighting modernism and opposing ANY compromises with modernist Rome.

Of course, there is absolutely no reason why a Third Order of Franciscans for the Resistance could not come into fruition as well, for that matter.

All the best!

Bartholemew · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2014, 06:28:38 AM »

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2014, 09:08:15 AM »

Quote from: Bartholemew

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

Sound advice.

obediens · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:19:51 PM »

The SSPX was founded as a Pious Union. Under the 83 Code, and upon recognization they would become a Society of Apostolic Life.

Canonically speaking, as well-intentioned as Archbishop Lefebvre was, the SSPX 'Third Order' does not and will never exist, it cannot exist! A religious order (not congregation or society) needs to have a First and Second Order in order to have a Third Order. Only the great, major orders have them. The following are the only existing Third Orders:

Augustinian
Benedictine (actually not Third Order properly speaking, but rather Oblates)
Carmelite
Discalced Carmelite
Dominican
Franciscan
Mercedarian
Minim
Norbertine
Servite
Trinitarian

This is why many pre-Vatican II congregations had associated confraternities and societies but not Third Orders. For example the Redemptorists have the Confraternity of Our Mother of Perpetual Help and St. Alphonsus. The Jesuits the Apostleship of Prayer and the Happy Death Society.

As far as Motu Proprio groups (Societies of Apostolic Life), the FSSP has the Confraternity of St. Peter. The Institute of Christ the King has the Society of the Sacred Heart. The Fraternity of St. Vincent Ferrer has an associated Confraternity of the Rosary. On the sedevacantist side, the CMRI has the Confraternity of Mary Immaculate Queen.

obediens · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:26:25 PM »

The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...

They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.

They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...

In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.

With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.

Quote from: Bartholemew

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:32:32 PM »

The first order for the above mentioned orders are not just priests. They are priests and brothers. The second order consists of nuns.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2014, 02:16:24 AM »

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Quote from: Frances

~~:dancing banana:~~ Me, too!
(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)

What is a d.b.?

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2014, 03:38:58 AM »

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One more thing: If you're wont to promote a 'third order' you would do well to get the spelling correct. "Corp" in American English means "a Corporation" (similarly abbreviated "Inc" for incorporated).

So when your thread title leaves off the 's' in CORPS (pronounced 'core'), like this: "Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp?" -it makes you lose credibility from the starting gate.

The current claimant to the White House gave a speech in which he was reading one of his ubiquitous teleprompters that the Liberals don't seem to care about, in which he pronounced the Marine Corps as "marine corpse." I mentioned this to a veteran Marine, and there was absolutely no question that he was disgusted with the news. I was surprised he hadn't heard it. So I guess I was the bearer of bad news to him that day. He said, "What an idiot. He had better make sure he doesn't find himself alone in a dark alley with some Marines, because they'd show him what being a corpse is all about."

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Bartholemew · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2014, 06:41:27 AM »

The Third Order of Saint Dominic has been called the Third Order of Penance in years past and this name was not made up by the Friars of Auvrille. It is true that they have added a little bit to the existing rule, one of things was not to watch live TV, but this does not make their Third Order invalid... they have the right to do that if they want to. Their profession to the Prior of Avrille rather than the Master General is due to the crisis in the church and is completely understandable and again, does not make their Third Order invalid. The Master General today is part of the Novus Ordo church and is not in line with anything that Saint Dominic stood for so I can't blame them for that. The Third Order of Avrille is one of the few good things left in the world so let's not fall into the trap of the "home aloners" where they find fault with every single thing in today's world that is Catholic and split hairs over it until they come to the conclusion that nothing has any validity and just stay home and do nothing.

Quote from: obediens

The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...

They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.

They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...

In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.

With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.

Quote from: Bartholemew
You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.