Author Topic: Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp? (Read 9703 times)

obediens · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:26:25 PM »

The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...

They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.

They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...

In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.

With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.

Quote from: Bartholemew

You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:32:32 PM »

The first order for the above mentioned orders are not just priests. They are priests and brothers. The second order consists of nuns.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2014, 02:16:24 AM »

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(Sorry, all you d.b. haters. I use the d.b. as my avatar because I don't know how to get one or post it.)

What is a d.b.?

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2014, 03:38:58 AM »

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One more thing: If you're wont to promote a 'third order' you would do well to get the spelling correct. "Corp" in American English means "a Corporation" (similarly abbreviated "Inc" for incorporated).

So when your thread title leaves off the 's' in CORPS (pronounced 'core'), like this: "Time to start a Third Order of the SSPX-Marian Corp?" -it makes you lose credibility from the starting gate.

The current claimant to the White House gave a speech in which he was reading one of his ubiquitous teleprompters that the Liberals don't seem to care about, in which he pronounced the Marine Corps as "marine corpse." I mentioned this to a veteran Marine, and there was absolutely no question that he was disgusted with the news. I was surprised he hadn't heard it. So I guess I was the bearer of bad news to him that day. He said, "What an idiot. He had better make sure he doesn't find himself alone in a dark alley with some Marines, because they'd show him what being a corpse is all about."

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Bartholemew · « **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2014, 06:41:27 AM »

The Third Order of Saint Dominic has been called the Third Order of Penance in years past and this name was not made up by the Friars of Auvrille. It is true that they have added a little bit to the existing rule, one of things was not to watch live TV, but this does not make their Third Order invalid... they have the right to do that if they want to. Their profession to the Prior of Avrille rather than the Master General is due to the crisis in the church and is completely understandable and again, does not make their Third Order invalid. The Master General today is part of the Novus Ordo church and is not in line with anything that Saint Dominic stood for so I can't blame them for that. The Third Order of Avrille is one of the few good things left in the world so let's not fall into the trap of the "home aloners" where they find fault with every single thing in today's world that is Catholic and split hairs over it until they come to the conclusion that nothing has any validity and just stay home and do nothing.

Quote from: obediens

The Avrille Third Order was created by them, it is not properly speaking the Dominican Third Order. Why? For good reasons...

They have a re-written, different Rule than the pre-Vatican II Dominican tertiary rule.

They call themselves the Order of Penance of Saint Dominic (compared to the Third Order of Saint Dominic) so at least they admit it's a new creation. They tried basing it on the ancient Third Order...

In their profession formula, they profess to the Prior of Avrille and not the Master General. Even with the situation in the Church, supplied jurisdiction, etc. this is wrong.

With the Capuchins however (although the SSPX controls it in the US) the Rule, etc. has remained the same as before Vatican II. As well as the SSPX-associated Carmelite Third Order and the Benedictine Oblates associated with Silver City, Bellaigue, etc.

Quote from: Bartholemew
You can't have a third order unless you have a first order... that is the problem... and neither the SSPX or the resistance have a first order. The only legitimate third orders in existence are Dominican, Benedictine, Carmelite and Franciscan.
Sure, it's nice to have a group of lay people that say extra prayers etc... but you can't just organize this and call them a "third order". The first order of each of the 4 orders listed above are the priests of those orders. The SSPX is not an "order" per se but a "society" of priests.
I would suggest that anyone that wants to be in the third order, to join one of the 4 existing third orders, some of which have been in existence for more than 500 years and have the full approval of the church. Despite the crisis in the church, you can still find traditional versions of each. The Dominicans of Auvrille, France come to mind.