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Offline SeanJohnson

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Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
« on: April 24, 2020, 12:00:30 AM »
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  • I recently warned the blinded SSPX that they would not be exempted from the recent Roman decrees incorporating new “saints” and Novus Ordo prefaces into the 1962 Missal (effectively making it a 2020 Missal) in two articles available here:

    http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2020/03/two-excellent-articles-by-sean-johnson.html?m=1

    Some tried to argue that the new decrees were only optional.

    Yet I rebutted that argument by noting the Roman modus operandi has remained the same since Vatican II:

    Stress the optional nature to dissipate resistance, then later make the measures mandatory.

    Now Rorate Coeli is reporting that Rome is sending a survey to all the bishops of the world, asking pointed questions about how Summorum Pontificuм has been implemented in their respective dioceses:

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2020/04/breaking-important-summorum-under.html#more

    With the PCED dissolved into the CDF (ie., the Commission being largely obsolete, with the SSPX already largely regularized), and the new hybrid missal just promulgated (optional for now, but not for long), it isn’t difficult to see where this is going:

    Rome is laying the groundwork for abrogating SP, which, once the new 2020 hybrid Missal becomes mandatory, will be completely obsolete:

    The 1962 Missal having disappeared, the raison d’etre for the motu proprio serves no purpose.

    And just like that, the SSPX will have lost the 1962 Missal (which like their former PCED brothers, was pretty much the only thing they had been allowed to retain).

    Some people never learn.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline apollo

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2020, 12:24:54 AM »
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  • Good job Sean. Keep it up. 


    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 12:54:06 AM »
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  • Introducing new "saints", especially if they were morally and spiritually dreck like JPII, is a way to ensure that people leave the SSPX permanently.

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #3 on: April 24, 2020, 01:17:05 AM »
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  • Introducing new "saints", especially if they were morally and spiritually dreck like JPII, is a way to ensure that people leave the SSPX permanently.
    The people should have left SSPX when Bishop Williamson was expelled
    or at least stopped giving money.  But no.  Bishop Williamson became 
    the target of lots of criticism.  Then we started hearing that Bishop Fellay
    has the "grace of state" and other baloney.  The SSPXers believe in the 
    SSPX, rather than the Faith.  Authority is above Faith for them. But do they 
    know the Faith?  Do they know what Vatican II contains?  They want to 
    be reconciled with Rome !!!   
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    Don't hold your breath waiting for them to wake up.  
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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2020, 03:00:28 AM »
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  • Introducing new "saints", especially if they were morally and spiritually dreck like JPII, is a way to ensure that people leave the SSPX permanently.
    What about people like Padre Pio?


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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2020, 06:22:44 AM »
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  • What about people like Padre Pio?
    Unfortunately, that is the dilemma that non-sedevacantists have to deal with. No one has the competence, except the pope himself, to determine who is a saint worthy to be venerated.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #6 on: April 24, 2020, 07:34:45 AM »
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  • And what makes you think the SSPX would use this “hybrid Missal”? 

    Unfounded speculation is key to just about  everything you say
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2020, 07:37:59 AM »
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  • And what makes you think the SSPX would use this “hybrid Missal”?

    Unfounded speculation is key to just about  everything you say

    And the mere suggestion they would have doubtfully ordained conciliar priests perform marriages for their faithful in SSPX or Novus Ordo churches is equally preposterous!!

    They are in total capitulation mode!

    If Rome has announced nobody can refuse to say the NOM Mass and still be in Union with Rome, the SSPX will go quite a bit further than the hybrid Missal (a la Campos concelebrating the NOM).  They just need to be patient so useful idiots like you can pretend there have been no changes!

    You are a blatant lying troll, and I can’t believe you are tolerated here:

    Divine Mercy pics st the altar is “unfounded speculation!”

    Divine Mercy devotions popping into devotional books, websites, and Facebook pages is more “unfounded speculation.”

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2020, 07:49:30 AM »
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  • And what makes you think the SSPX would use this “hybrid Missal”?

    Unfounded speculation is key to just about  everything you say
    Hardly unfounded speculation. I still hold out some hope that the SSPX will turn away from the direction they are heading. As for the “hybrid Missal”, you do know that the mass that most SSPX priests celebrate is a hybrid?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #9 on: April 24, 2020, 08:29:23 AM »
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  • Here's what's retarded:  New-rome keeps making changes to the 1962 missal/calendar, but keeps calling it the 62 missal.  Liturgically speaking, they are really bending the rules for "updates" and having the date associated with the missal is almost becoming meaningless.  +Benedict's 2007 motu missal is not the 1962 missal, because he added all sorts of saints, revised Holy Week, and used the 2nd/3rd revisions of the 62 missal as his base (which came out in 1963, i.e. removal of the 2nd Confiteor was not part of the original changes).  In other words, properly speaking, the Summorum Pontificuм missal should be called the 2007 missal, with these new changes being the 2020 missal.  The 1962 missal is from 1962.  Any changes, gives it a new date.  That's just logical and historical.

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #10 on: April 24, 2020, 09:02:04 AM »
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  • With Francis and his likes in charge, this is expected. :incense:


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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #11 on: April 24, 2020, 10:34:45 AM »
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  • And the mere suggestion they would have doubtfully ordained conciliar priests perform marriages for their faithful in SSPX or Novus Ordo churches is equally preposterous!!

    They are in total capitulation mode!

    If Rome has announced nobody can refuse to say the NOM Mass and still be in Union with Rome, the SSPX will go quite a bit further than the hybrid Missal (a la Campos concelebrating the NOM).  They just need to be patient so useful idiots like you can pretend there have been no changes!

    You are a blatant lying troll, and I can’t believe you are tolerated here:

    Divine Mercy pics st the altar is “unfounded speculation!”

    Divine Mercy devotions popping into devotional books, websites, and Facebook pages is more “unfounded speculation.”
    So how can you say Francis( who was ordained in the New Rite) is the Pope but then doubt the ordinations of N. O priests in general?
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #12 on: April 24, 2020, 10:39:04 AM »
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  • And the mere suggestion they would have doubtfully ordained conciliar priests perform marriages for their faithful in SSPX or Novus Ordo churches is equally preposterous!!

    They are in total capitulation mode!

    If Rome has announced nobody can refuse to say the NOM Mass and still be in Union with Rome, the SSPX will go quite a bit further than the hybrid Missal (a la Campos concelebrating the NOM).  They just need to be patient so useful idiots like you can pretend there have been no changes!

    You are a blatant lying troll, and I can’t believe you are tolerated here:

    Divine Mercy pics st the altar is “unfounded speculation!”

    Divine Mercy devotions popping into devotional books, websites, and Facebook pages is more “unfounded speculation.”
    Read this and shut up
    https://stas.org/en/news-events/news/letter-superior-general-friends-and-benefactors-n-89-55521
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Rome to Revoke Summorum Pontificuм?
    « Reply #14 on: April 24, 2020, 11:23:50 AM »
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  • So how can you say Francis( who was ordained in the New Rite) is the Pope but then doubt the ordinations of N. O priests in general?

    You should ask Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Tissier, Fr. Peter Scott, Fr. Calderon, or read SSPX articles from prior to the election of BXVI (all of whom/which cast doubts upon the validity of the new rites, and particularly the new rite of episcopal consecration).

    They didn’t seem to draw the same implications as you do (but the SSPX hasn’t changed!).

    Ps: Francis was ordained by Archbishop Castellano (who was himself consecrated according to the old Rite in 1946), so the concern regarding invalid ordination due to invalid episcopal consecration does not arise; the concern in validity of the new rite of priestly ordination due to defect in form is much weaker than that regarding defect of form in the new rite of episcopal consecration.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."