Author Topic: Time for the SSPX-MC missions to decide (Read 2638 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** November 03, 2015, 04:19:03 PM »

Look, Boston, KY is the home of a noxious little Catholic cult, IMHO. The operation ought to be terminated. Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko need to acknowledge the error of their ways, to stop pretending that the OLMC makes any useful or significant contribution to the Faith at large, or that it serves as a means whereby traditional Catholics may nourish and sustain their Catholic lives. It’s a bogus apostolate, IMO, and needs to be put out of its misery, the quicker, the better.

The OLMC priests need to humbly subject themselves to the semi-authority of the only two viable bishops remaining, of whom most of us have any practical knowledge anyway. They should renew spiritual obedience to Bps. Faure and Williamson, abandon the ill-starred venture in Boston, and give up any Episcopal ambitions.

We hear that the Boston, KY priests visit some 50 separate venues scattered throughout the world. Let each of these “resistance chapels” come to some kind of firm decision about Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. Let each of them take a vote among their separate constituencies. If a majority of the faithful in any given “resistance” chapel vote to continue attending Masses conducted by these priests, well, so be it. Let that decision be clearly expressed.

If, on the other hand, the majority of folks in a given chapel setting are unhappy with Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko and the current situation in Boston, KY, then let them vote to rescind any further invitations to these two priests.

It’s time to fish or cut bait.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2015, 04:24:22 PM »

But do the missions have the fortitude to take such a strong stand for Truth?

JPaul · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2015, 06:57:04 PM »

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But do the missions have the fortitude to take such a strong stand for Truth?

Some will, most won't. I would think that a lot of those folks have burned bridges to join this so called resistance and may think that they have no choice but to carry on and hope for the best.

And then there are the loyalist lemmings...................

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2015, 06:58:12 PM »

It is of course easier to "move on" when you have something to move toward. The Resistance is sufficiently strong and growing for this stage, but the U.S. branch has taken a big hit.

If you're in a location with an established group that welcomed OLMC previously, you're well-positioned to begin a campaign to another priest (preferably several) to see if you can find a suitable alternative. Even better would be to work together with another Resistance group within driving distance to present the possibility of an entire Mass circuit rather than a single location.

We all know there are a number of good priests out there who don't agree with the Society, but haven't left for whatever reason. Even if they're rather ambivalent to the cause, the personal appeals of Catholics unwilling to compromise might move them to take the situation more seriously. If you know of a priest who is already familiar with many of the people in your area, the personal appeals might have even more effect. Organize yourselves locally and perhaps start a letter-writing campaign of testimonies, notes, spiritual bouquets, etc.

I don't believe we've exhausted the possibilities of priests who wish to follow Archbishop Lefebvre's guidance of not making a purely practical deal with modernist Rome.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2015, 08:44:43 PM »

"Shake the dust off your feet" was not the title of the topic which I created, if I remember it correctly. The Cathinfo moderator felt at liberty to change my original topic heading for whatever reason. In any case, shaking the dust of one's feet has little to do with my proposal initially. That Biblical reference points to prescribed behavior for Gospel messengers whose message is not heeded by the intended recipients of that message. I'm just saying, let each of these reported 50 chapels decide individually whether or not to invite the priests back. Shaking the dust off one's feet does not really apply here, I don't think.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2015, 08:51:35 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

"Shake the dust off your feet" was not the title of the topic which I created, if I remember it correctly. The Cathinfo moderator felt at liberty to change my original topic heading for whatever reason. In any case, shaking the dust of one's feet has little to do with my proposal initially. That Biblical reference points to prescribed behavior for Gospel messengers whose message is not heeded by the intended recipients of that message. I'm just saying, let each of these reported 50 chapels decide individually whether or not to invite the priests back. Shaking the dust off one's feet does not really apply here, I don't think.

Ok, fair enough, if you were emphasizing "the missions each have a choice to make now" the title should be better.

But I thought (based on your original title) that your thread's main idea was "time to move on", "enough of these threads".

Two kinds of posts annoy me A) people presuming to declare to the world what should or shouldn't be discussed here, and B) people declaring to the world who should or shouldn't be on here.

It's really the same offense, though, under two aspects. Both involved STEPPING ON MY TOES.

Both of those things are the prerogative of the MODERATOR/OWNER and him alone.

BJ5 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2015, 12:09:16 PM »

No an easy choice. Where I live, it is +Hewko on week 2 and +Voigt on week 4. Hard to tell one to stay away.

Pilar · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2015, 04:35:46 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Look, Boston, KY is the home of a noxious little Catholic cult, IMHO. The operation ought to be terminated. Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko need to acknowledge the error of their ways, to stop pretending that the OLMC makes any useful or significant contribution to the Faith at large, or that it serves as a means whereby traditional Catholics may nourish and sustain their Catholic lives. It’s a bogus apostolate, IMO, and needs to be put out of its misery, the quicker, the better.

The OLMC priests need to humbly subject themselves to the semi-authority of the only two viable bishops remaining, of whom most of us have any practical knowledge anyway. They should renew spiritual obedience to Bps. Faure and Williamson, abandon the ill-starred venture in Boston, and give up any Episcopal ambitions.

We hear that the Boston, KY priests visit some 50 separate venues scattered throughout the world. Let each of these “resistance chapels” come to some kind of firm decision about Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. Let each of them take a vote among their separate constituencies. If a majority of the faithful in any given “resistance” chapel vote to continue attending Masses conducted by these priests, well, so be it. Let that decision be clearly expressed.

If, on the other hand, the majority of folks in a given chapel setting are unhappy with Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko and the current situation in Boston, KY, then let them vote to rescind any further invitations to these two priests.

It’s time to fish or cut bait.

Hollingsworth, get off your *%#@ high horse and quit trying to dictate to those of us who have not abandoned the Society, what we should or should not do. It gets so old. Take care of your own business. We are enjoying our daily Masses, daily Communions, Confessions when we want and a priest pronto-bingo when we need the Last Rites.

Recently, we attended a Requiem High Mass of a devout man who helped Archbishop Lefebvre found St. Mary's. No less than 12 priests passed by his coffin and blessed it, 8 sisters and countless lay-folk processed by praying for him. Let us take advantage of what we have while we have it, thank God that we have it, and not be so intent upon worrying about what we will do if we lose it.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I have seen "fish or cut bait", used on resistance forums, that and the odious "smells and bells". The SSPX is not done. It has not formally accepted any of the heretical ideas of Vatican II, unlike the other so-called traditional groups. God willing, it never will.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2015, 06:12:39 PM »

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Quote from: IN VERITATE VICTORIA
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: hollingsworth
Look, Boston, KY is the home of a noxious little Catholic cult, IMHO. The operation ought to be terminated. Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko need to acknowledge the error of their ways, to stop pretending that the OLMC makes any useful or significant contribution to the Faith at large, or that it serves as a means whereby traditional Catholics may nourish and sustain their Catholic lives. It’s a bogus apostolate, IMO, and needs to be put out of its misery, the quicker, the better.

The OLMC priests need to humbly subject themselves to the semi-authority of the only two viable bishops remaining, of whom most of us have any practical knowledge anyway. They should renew spiritual obedience to Bps. Faure and Williamson, abandon the ill-starred venture in Boston, and give up any Episcopal ambitions.

We hear that the Boston, KY priests visit some 50 separate venues scattered throughout the world. Let each of these “resistance chapels” come to some kind of firm decision about Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko. Let each of them take a vote among their separate constituencies. If a majority of the faithful in any given “resistance” chapel vote to continue attending Masses conducted by these priests, well, so be it. Let that decision be clearly expressed.

If, on the other hand, the majority of folks in a given chapel setting are unhappy with Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko and the current situation in Boston, KY, then let them vote to rescind any further invitations to these two priests.

It’s time to fish or cut bait.

Hollingsworth, get off your *%#@ high horse and quit trying to dictate to those of us who have not abandoned the Society, what we should or should not do. It gets so old. Take care of your own business. We are enjoying our daily Masses, daily Communions, Confessions when we want and a priest pronto-bingo when we need the Last Rites.

Recently, we attended a Requiem High Mass of a devout man who helped Archbishop Lefebvre found St. Mary's. No less than 12 priests passed by his coffin and blessed it, 8 sisters and countless lay-folk processed by praying for him. Let us take advantage of what we have while we have it, thank God that we have it, and not be so intent upon worrying about what we will do if we lose it.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I have seen "fish or cut bait", used on resistance forums, that and the odious "smells and bells". The SSPX is not done. It has not formally accepted any of the heretical ideas of Vatican II, unlike the other so-called traditional groups. God willing, it never will.

Well said Pilar! When the resistance descend to finding grave fault with beautiful processions in honor of Our Lady and call powerful declarations against the recent abominable synod "wishy washy", just because Bp. Fellay didn't resort to name-calling, they show themselves to be mean-spirited and seriously lacking in Catholic charity. How can they then claim to follow ABL whose very motto was "Credidimus caritati" - we have believed in charity?

Very well said and excellent posts, Pilar and In Veritate Victoria. I was also at the Rosary for this gentleman, and it was simply edifying to be praying with so many faithful Catholics, who are being helped on the way to Heaven by devoted servants of Our Lord, these priests who labor day and night for the Kingdom of God.

What a shameless troll. You were having a field day spreading lies on here about Bishop Faure. I went back to look at the dates. He visited our chapel in September and I went with him and Bishop Williamson to the diaconal ordination in the beginning of October. There was no scruple in spreading lies here by you and then even creating a date of September to appear to pre-date my conversations with the then Fr. Faure.

Sent here by Menzingen probably.

richard · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2015, 07:39:38 PM »

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Nothing to say I see.