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Offline forlorn

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Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2018, 03:34:25 PM »
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  • Catholic Nationalist at is at its best indescriptive, as it implies we're just Catholics who happen to be Nationalists and not that we're Traditional Catholics against Vatican II, and at its worst sounds like we support a breakaway state(i.e the Catholic equivalent of 'White Nationalists').


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #31 on: September 17, 2018, 11:08:28 PM »
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  • I hate the names. I know it's necessary but I hate that it is necessary. 

    Having said that, I am drawn to the ones mentioning "uncompromising". 

    To me, that says it in a nutshell. 

    We are Catholics. And we are striving to the best of our abilities to be uncompromising.

    Given the conservatives' reaction to Pope Francis, I think people of all stripes would be drawn to such a name.

    Either that, or "anti-modernist". Anti-Modernist Catholics. You don't have to know anything about all the different factions of trads to know exactly what that means. It describes the ideals of the group without giving the false impression that it's a splinter or personality following.


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #32 on: September 17, 2018, 11:39:13 PM »
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  • Catholic Nationalist at is at its best indescriptive, as it implies we're just Catholics who happen to be Nationalists and not that we're Traditional Catholics against Vatican II, and at its worst sounds like we support a breakaway state(i.e the Catholic equivalent of 'White Nationalists').
    Along the lines of Catholic Nationalists would be phrases such as, "American Catholics." I hope this name is never under consideration.

    TC of SPX (Traditional Catholics of St. Piux X) or SPX-TC (St. Pius X Traditional Catholics) would be best as it suggests a devout association such as the oblates of St. Pius X, and certainly not a breakaway, schismatic church, nor an Old Catholic group.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #33 on: September 18, 2018, 08:46:09 AM »
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  • Nationalist sounds too political, however since I am not SSPX, I suppose I should just back out, yet since we are all Roman Catholics and someday I know we will be united again, I have a voice.  
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #34 on: September 19, 2018, 02:03:14 AM »
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  • Yes, of course we are Catholics.  But the name should refer to a leading edge of the Catholics, not just to the average or below average Catholics.  Devotions are good, but they are private activities and restricting Catholicism to devotions has a distinct docetist air about it.  Catholicism is incarnate and therefore must fully include the entire public sphere and not just private devotionalism alone.  Also, the Kingship of Christ is not "political", which would mean something within the limitations of a political party.  Catholic Nationalism is a pedagogy, not a political program.  It is a synonym for "Catholic monarchy" or the Kingship of Christ, and hence fully incarnate extending to both the spiritual and material realms of Creation

    True safety is always in courage, never in timidity or cowardice.  The name should be a brave one, not something "safe" and timid.  The name should specifically emphasise the fully incarnate Kingship of Christ, but in some simple and very direct way.  Hence the name "Catholic Nationalism" ought to serve us well.  Again, we need an integral pedagogy, not devotionalism or a political party.  We certainly don't need to reinvent the disastrous "Christian Democrats".  

    Also it is relevant that by Catholic Nationalism what is meant is Roman Catholic Nationalism, which means Roman Nationalism or Pan-European Nationalism.  This is at the furthest remove from the existing "White Nationalism", something mostly sponsored by the current government of Israel and the Orthodox rabbinate.  The Catholics should lead and the existing leadership of the S.S.P.X. is woefully incapable of that or anything like it.  The responsibility falls to "the Resistance" or whatever improved label that cutting edge is given.  Catholics should provide a serious alternative to "White Nationalism", not in a feeble political way but in an integral pedagogic way that reflects the integral nature of the Incarnation.  The name should clearly avoid the docetism of the Jansenists and their insistence on drifting off into a private religion of devotionalism that reduces Catholicism to disincarnate immaterial ghostly realms.  The Roman liturgy is the most public of activities, not a private devotion for private life alone.  The name should take this into account.

    Globalism has effectively destroyed the former nation-states.  The time for Romanity has arrived and in simple down-to-earth terms this is typically known as Nationalism, the contemporary heir to the monarchism that effectively perished a century ago in 1918.  Any existing Nationalism must be Roman and if serious would be Roman Catholic as well.  So we have our work cut out for us.

    Roman Catholic Nationalism, that is the wave of the present and we should have the courage and presence of mind to ride it to the full.  We must have the courage to ride the tiger of Nationalism, a Catholic Nationalism, because otherwise that tiger will most certainly turn around and eat us alive.  In the existing world we are Catholic Nationalists and we should have the courage and charity to say who we actually are.

    In no uncertain terms.



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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #35 on: September 19, 2018, 04:47:49 AM »
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  • Catholic Nationalist at is at its best indescriptive, as it implies we're just Catholics who happen to be Nationalists and not that we're Traditional Catholics against Vatican II, and at its worst sounds like we support a breakaway state(i.e the Catholic equivalent of 'White Nationalists').
    I thought that the Catholic religion was a universal religion.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #36 on: September 19, 2018, 08:56:59 AM »
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  • How about "Quo Primum Catholic"?  I think that's what "Tridentine Mass" was supposed to refer to - the council of Trent - which was the reason that Quo Primum came about.  I think back in the 70s, people also referred to themselves as "Tridentine Catholic".  Either way, a reference to these ideals makes it quite clear you're against modernism and the indult. 

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #37 on: September 19, 2018, 11:28:43 AM »
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  • In the beginning, the resistance was sometimes known as SSPX-SO (Strict Observance). I always liked that one.
     


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #38 on: September 19, 2018, 01:32:56 PM »
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  • In the beginning, the resistance was sometimes known as SSPX-SO (Strict Observance). I always liked that one.
     
    SSPX-SO
    I can just see the taunts from the left:
    SSPX - so?  
    SSPX - so what!
    Besides, it sports the SSPX name.

    "Quo Primum Catholic" sounds great!
    However, there is already a website: https://www.qpc.com/   - better data, better decisions

    Why not use? SPX-QPC
    This is not taken, but with the mention of QPC during Lent, one could mistake that for
    Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

    the dictionary list below provides other already taken uses for QPC.

    QPCQuantum Point Contact
    QPCQuarter Pounder with cheese (McDonalds sandwich burger)
    QPCQuasi Propulsive Coefficient
    QPCQueen Pump Company
    QPCQuasi-periodic Photonic Crystal
    QPCQuality and Process Control
    QPCQuality Performance Consultant
    QPCQuantity Per Component
    QPCQuantity per Carton (product packing)

    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #39 on: September 19, 2018, 04:37:31 PM »
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  • SSPX-SO
    I can just see the taunts from the left:
    SSPX - so?  
    SSPX - so what!
    Besides, it sports the SSPX name.

    "Quo Primum Catholic" sounds great!
    However, there is already a website: https://www.qpc.com/   - better data, better decisions

    Why not use? SPX-QPC
    This is not taken, but with the mention of QPC during Lent, one could mistake that for
    Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

    the dictionary list below provides other already taken uses for QPC.

    QPCQuantum Point Contact
    QPCQuarter Pounder with cheese (McDonalds sandwich burger)
    QPCQuasi Propulsive Coefficient
    QPCQueen Pump Company
    QPCQuasi-periodic Photonic Crystal
    QPCQuality and Process Control
    QPCQuality Performance Consultant
    QPCQuantity Per Component
    QPCQuantity per Carton (product packing)
    I don't think there's any worry of people mistaking QPC for Quasi-periodic Photonic Crystals when discussing Catholicism. 

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #40 on: September 19, 2018, 04:43:18 PM »
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  • I don't think there's any worry of people mistaking QPC for Quasi-periodic Photonic Crystals when discussing Catholicism.
    Quarter Pounder with Cheese - Oh my.
    QPC is forever linked with a juicy hamburger dripping with melted cheese.

    I gotta go get some lunch.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #41 on: September 25, 2018, 08:46:04 AM »
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  • Yes, of course we are Catholics.  But the name should refer to a leading edge of the Catholics, not just to the average or below average Catholics.  Devotions are good, but they are private activities and restricting Catholicism to devotions has a distinct docetist air about it.  Catholicism is incarnate and therefore must fully include the entire public sphere and not just private devotionalism alone.  Also, the Kingship of Christ is not "political", which would mean something within the limitations of a political party.  Catholic Nationalism is a pedagogy, not a political program.  It is a synonym for "Catholic monarchy" or the Kingship of Christ, and hence fully incarnate extending to both the spiritual and material realms of Creation

    True safety is always in courage, never in timidity or cowardice.  The name should be a brave one, not something "safe" and timid.  The name should specifically emphasise the fully incarnate Kingship of Christ, but in some simple and very direct way.  Hence the name "Catholic Nationalism" ought to serve us well.  Again, we need an integral pedagogy, not devotionalism or a political party.  We certainly don't need to reinvent the disastrous "Christian Democrats".  

    Also it is relevant that by Catholic Nationalism what is meant is Roman Catholic Nationalism, which means Roman Nationalism or Pan-European Nationalism.  This is at the furthest remove from the existing "White Nationalism", something mostly sponsored by the current government of Israel and the Orthodox rabbinate.  The Catholics should lead and the existing leadership of the S.S.P.X. is woefully incapable of that or anything like it.  The responsibility falls to "the Resistance" or whatever improved label that cutting edge is given.  Catholics should provide a serious alternative to "White Nationalism", not in a feeble political way but in an integral pedagogic way that reflects the integral nature of the Incarnation.  The name should clearly avoid the docetism of the Jansenists and their insistence on drifting off into a private religion of devotionalism that reduces Catholicism to disincarnate immaterial ghostly realms.  The Roman liturgy is the most public of activities, not a private devotion for private life alone.  The name should take this into account.

    Globalism has effectively destroyed the former nation-states.  The time for Romanity has arrived and in simple down-to-earth terms this is typically known as Nationalism, the contemporary heir to the monarchism that effectively perished a century ago in 1918.  Any existing Nationalism must be Roman and if serious would be Roman Catholic as well.  So we have our work cut out for us.

    Roman Catholic Nationalism, that is the wave of the present and we should have the courage and presence of mind to ride it to the full.  We must have the courage to ride the tiger of Nationalism, a Catholic Nationalism, because otherwise that tiger will most certainly turn around and eat us alive.  In the existing world we are Catholic Nationalists and we should have the courage and charity to say who we actually are.

    In no uncertain terms.
    I think you should agree with my "Yuyencianism", which will be a branch of Catholic Nationalism in the Far East. This is my website:https://yuyencia.wordpress.com

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #42 on: October 23, 2018, 09:15:21 PM »
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  • How would y'all feel about being called "Western Orthodox"?

    Serious question.

    A friend talked to an Eastern eparch who said the Resistance are basically Western Orthodox, but in denial of it.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #43 on: October 23, 2018, 09:35:12 PM »
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  • How would y'all feel about being called "Western Orthodox"?

    Serious question.

    A friend talked to an Eastern eparch who said the Resistance are basically Western Orthodox, but in denial of it.
    The term "Western Orthodox" is already taken by those in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) Orthodox Church, which is currently under the Moscow Patriarch, and Antiochian Orthodox Churches. These Western Orthodox are largely converts from  Roman Catholicism or Anglicanism, and  use the "Western Rite" English "Mass" or believe it or not, even a Latin Gregorian "Mass."

    While those in Western Rite Orthodoxy wear similar vestments including the bishop's mitre as do those in the SSPX-Resistance, there are some differences in practice.  For example, babies can commune, and children and adults receive communion under both species. In addition, there are parts that have been added to the Gregorian Mass to make it "Orthodox" such as the Epiclesis (or calling down of the Holy Spirit). The Nicene Creed does not contain the "filioque" and the Latin-Mass Western Orthodox use a modified Tantum Ergo without the "filioque".

    It is weird.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #44 on: October 24, 2018, 08:38:48 AM »
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  • How would y'all feel about being called "Western Orthodox"?

    Serious question.

    A friend talked to an Eastern eparch who said the Resistance are basically Western Orthodox, but in denial of it.

    That might imply an alignment of sorts with the schismatic Eastern Orthodox.  No, we're not like the Easterns, for we accept the teaching of Vatican I regarding the authority of the Pope.