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Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
« on: September 10, 2018, 11:00:35 AM »
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  • First of all, the generic term "Resistance" has been used about a thousand times over the past century. Everything from the "French Resistance" under nαzι occupation, to countless movies in the past 20 or 30 years.

    And while Trump isn't a saint, he certainly is fighting against the most dominant group of bad guys holding the reins of government worldwide, commonly known as the "Deep State". He is actively fighting the Deep State, and so it would be bad if anyone thought I was against Trump. Besides, being against Trump usually implies being a Democrat, a party which is increasingly dominated by the radical left. The Democratic Party is more and more embracing open Socialism! This is ironic since Democrats often call their opponents "nαzιs", even though nαzι actually means National Socialist. But I digress...

    But today, if you do a search for "Resistance", what comes up more and more is the probably fake anti-Trump "Resistance" within the White House itself, and nationwide. But even if it's just a few communists or extremists, their number would quickly outnumber our small SSPX Resistance, and easily overwhelm the public mindshare. Especially since the MSM is talking about the "Resistance" now. How can CathInfo and a few even smaller websites compete?

    I know that many of us in the Resistance haven't liked the name from the beginning. Bishop Williamson (who used the term as recently as the last E.C.) still defines the term almost every time he uses it, and still places it in quotes like he's almost embarrassed to use the term.

    But ever since the infamous anonymous op-ed in the failing New York Times, I can't glance at the MSM without groaning every time they use the term "Resistance".

    It's difficult to come up with another term though, without requiring that EVERYONE join the SAJM or something. We all used to be SSPX. Now the only thing we all have in common is A) the Catholic Faith and B) our pedigree: we all came from the SSPX.

    If we started calling ourselves generic "Traditional Catholics" or stopped distinguishing chapels as "Resistance", we'd be losing some information. Because frankly, calling a chapel "Resistance" does tell people in a nutshell what you'll be getting: a valid priest trained well by the SSPX, no truck with modernist Rome, a non-sedevacantist priest and Mass, the 1962 Missale, etc.

    When a term carries and imparts useful information, it is useful and people are going to use it.

    Ex-SSPX sounds a bit negative.

    Lefebvrite certainly sounds like a cult or Protestant group. And we're not just following Archbishop Lefebvre anyhow; it's the Faith he maintained that we follow.
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2018, 11:05:15 AM »
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  • P.S.

    I don't remember exactly how the term "Resistance" came to be applied to the movement -- but CathInfo might have had something to do with it.

    I remember a couple articles (even in the SSPX) talking about the "Resistance Movement" and that really gave it away. There used to be a sub-forum on CathInfo since the earliest days called "the Resistance Movement" from 2006 until maybe 2015 by that name. It was the former name of "Fighting Errors in the Modern World". I just made up the name, since it sounded cool. Basically it was the sub-forum for all the talk of cօռspιʀαcιҽs: fighting the Jєωs, Freemasons, Globalists, etc.

    Well after the Resistance became a thing, I renamed that sub-forum to prevent confusion. But I can't help but wonder if it's partly my/CathInfo's fault that the movement is called the Resistance.

    Let's face it: for the first few years especially, CathInfo was the beginning and the end of online Resistance news, discussion and organization. It was the de-facto discussion headquarters for all Resistance supporters, and from the earliest days. Being a discussion forum, it must have had a great influence over something as basic as "what do we call the movement?"

    It's not that the term was always bad: in the beginning, many were still involved in the SSPX (actual member-priests, or laymen attending their chapels) and at that point, the Resistance was really the best term. We were "the Resistance" inside the SSPX, fighting against the dominant, new, and evil position. It was actually the perfect term at that point.

    But after a while, we need to acknowledge that A) years have passed, B) we have long since left behind the SSPX, C) the SSPX isn't going to reform any time soon, and D) we need to move on and define ourselves without reference to the group we left.
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #2 on: September 10, 2018, 12:03:28 PM »
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  • Note: RR (Recognize and Resist) could be confused with the RR political figure (Rod Rosenstein) currently in the DOJ.
    Why not call yourselves the True Traditional Catholics (TTC)?
    Or what about Genuine Traditional Catholics (GTC)?
    Would Genuine True Traditional Catholics (GTTC) be better even though it is a redundant mouthful?

    If nothing else works, there is always the Original SSPX! Hey, why not reclaim that name. Would the wolves at SSPX sue?
    Check out the lists below from https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/

    TTC - True Traditional Catholics
    TTCThe Toro Company (stock symbol)
    TTCToutes Taxes Comprises (French)
    TTCTwo-Task Common (presentation layer type)
    TTCTelecommunication Technology Committee (Japan)
    TTCTeacher Training Course
    TTCTemporary Traffic Control
    TTCTechnology Training Center
    TTCToronto Transit Camp
    TTCTake The Car (Toronto Transit System)
    TTCTechnology Transfer Center
    TTCTeacher Training College
    TTCThreshold of Toxicological Concern (exposure risk assessment)
    TTCTechnical Training Center
    TTCThe Thomson Corporation
    TTCTotal Transfer Capability
    TTCTime-To-Collision
    TTCTale of Two Cities (Charles Dickens novel)
    TTCTag Team Championship
    TTCTechnology Training Corporation
    TTCTransportation and Ticket Center (Walt Disney World resort)
    TTCTiming, Trigger and Control (electonic systems)
    TTCTransportation Technology Center, Inc.
    TTCTelemetry, Tracking & Control
    TTCThe Transition Companies LLC (Dallas, TX)
    TTCToontown Central (gaming)
    TTCTra Terra e Cielo (Italian association and newspaper, tourism and natural life)
    TTCTendring Technology College (UK)
    TTCTicket Transportation Center
    TTCTeletronics Technology Corporation
    TTCTriple Test Cross
    TTCToronto Triumph Club (Canadian automobile club)
    TTCThe Terminal Clan
    TTCTailored Transportation Contract
    TTCTuscaloosa Track Club (Alabama)
    TTCTonal Transfer Curve
    TTCTelephone Terminal Cabinet
    TTCTeaching Training Centre (UK)
    TTCTelemetry Traffic Control
    TTCTime-To-Collection (insurance)
    TTCTwo-Trap Channel
    TTCTactical Telephone Center
    TTCTelekom Training Centre (Malaysia)
    TTCTotal Target Cash
    TTCTrident Technical Corporation (Georgia)
    TTCThe Tanooki Clan (online gaming clan)
    TTCTurbine Throttle Control
    TTCText the Cell
    TTCTHAAD Test Controller
    TTCTrack-to-Track Correlator
    TTCTransformer-rectifier Transfer Contactor
    TTCThe Technology Coach (Mississauga, ON, Canada)
    TTCThe Transit Coalition
    TTCTransmission Technologies Corporation
    TTCTop Truck Challenge (competition)
    TTCThe Teaching Company
    TTCTripheny Tetrazolium Chloride
    TTCTrenchless Technology Center (Louisiana Tech University)
    TTCTime Travel Capsule
    TTCTime to Complete
    TTCTick Tock Clock (Super Mario 64 game level)
    TTCTurn the Corner (various organizations)
    TTCTo the Contrary (TV show)
    TTCThe Triplet Connection
    TTCToronto Transit Commission
    TTCTime to Customer
    TTCTropical Test Center
    TTCTrying To Conceive
    TTCTreasurer-Tax Collector (various locations)
    TTCTrans Texas Corridor
    TTCTime to Continue
    TTCThe Training Center
    TTCToyota Technical Center
    TTCThermal Transfer Corporation
    TTCTransition to College (various locations)
    TTCTuition Tax Credit (various locations)
    TTCTrident Technical College (North Charleston, SC)
    TTCToronto Taxpayers Coaltion (Canada)

    Check out Genuine Traditional Catholics (GTC). Nope. We might be confused with "Glad Tidings Church". Just kidding.
    GTC - Genuine Traditional Catholics


    General Teaching Council (UK)
    Gateway Technical College (Wisconsin)
    Gran Telescopio Canarias
    Good 'Til Cancelled (eBay selling method)
    Good 'Til Canceled
    Generic Token Card (computers)
    Gestion Technique Centralisée (Industrial technology)
    Government Technology Conference
    Government Travel Card
    Generalized Tonic-Clonic Seizures
    Green Tea Catechins
    Griffin Technical College (Griffin, Georgia, USA)
    Good 'til Cancel (online marketing)
    Gas Turbine Compressor
    Guanidinium Isothiocyanate
    Gwich'in Tribal Council (Canada)
    Great Canary Telescope (Tenerife, Canary Islands)
    Gopher Tortoise Council
    Global Trust Council (Sweden)
    Grains Trade Convention
    Gain Time Control
    General Terms and Condition
    GPON Transmission Convergence (GPON = Gigabit Passive Optical Network)
    Government Trading Corporation of Iran
    Guards Tank Corps
    Grand Turismo Concept (PS2 game)
    Gibraltar Trade Center (Mount Clemens, MI)
    Global Tomorrow Coalition (Washington, DC)
    Ground Tactical Commander
    Group Technologies Corporation
    Grand Tour Cluster
    Global Traders Conference
    General Trias, Cavite (Philippines)
    Georgian Trade Center (Tbilisi, Georgia)
    General Tenders Committee
    Gran Turismo Competizione (Ferrari)
    Geologic Testing Consultants (Houston, TX)
    Gaelic Tugboat Company
    Gas Turbine Change
    Greenhouse Gas Technology Center
    Goulburn Teachers' College (Australia)
    Grav-Tech Canada
    Gradual Transition Coating
    Global Trade Control
    Global Telecommunications Conference
    Graduate Technology Coordinator
    General Therapeutic Class (healthcare code)
    Gateway to College (various locations)
    Glad Tidings Church (various locations)
    Gwinnett Technical College (Lawrenceville, GA)
    Garmin Training Center (software; various locations)
    Game Time Card (gaming)


    What about Genuine True Traditional Catholics (GTTC). Now, this might be doable.

    GTTC - Genuine True Traditional Catholics

    And checking the list of other GTTCs
    GTTC - Geoscience Technology Training Center (various locations)
    GTTC - Goodfellow Technical Training Center
    GTTC - Ginseng and Tang-Kuei Ten Combination
    GTTC - Geospatial Technologies Training Center (University of New Hampshire)
    GTTC - Global Trade and Technology Center (New York, NY)
    GTTC - Government Toolroom and Training Center (Karnataka)


    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #3 on: September 10, 2018, 12:12:57 PM »
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  • Taking a word from Bishop Williamson's Newsletter

    ETC  - Eleison Traditional Catholics


    https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/
    ETCElectronic Toll Collection
    ETCEt Cetera (Latin: And So Forth)
    ETCEstimated Time of Completion
    ETCEducational Technology
    ETCEntertainment Technology Center
    ETCElectronic Theatre Controls (theatre equipment company)
    ETCElectron Transport Chain (cellular respiration)
    ETCEuropean Topic Centre (eionet)
    ETCEuropean Topic Centre
    ETCElectronic Throttle Control
    ETCExchange-Traded Commodities (UK)
    ETCEstimated Total Cost
    ETCEntertainment Central (Philippines TV channel)
    ETCEnvironmental Tectonics Corporation
    ETCExport Trading Company
    ETCEthiopian Telecommunications Corporation
    ETCElectronic Traction Control (automobiles)
    ETCEmerging Technologies Conference
    ETCEuropean Travel Commission
    ETCEstimate To Complete (Cost)
    ETCEnglish Tourism Council
    ETCET Company  [as in Extraterrestrial Company]
    ETCErosion, Technology and Concentration
    ETCEnvironmental Technology Centre (Canadian government agency)
    ETCEarly Termination Charges
    ETCEmployee Transportation Coordinator
    ETCEducation To Careers
    ETCEmergency Trauma Center
    ETCEastern Technology Council
    ETCElapsed Time Counter
    ETCEquipment Trust Certificate (Aero financing)
    ETCElection Technology Council
    ETCElectricity Transmission Company
    ETCEldorado Touring Coupe (Cadillac automobile)
    ETCEnvironmental Technology Council
    ETCExtra-Tropical Cyclone (meteorology)
    ETCElectronic Trade Confirmation
    ETCChief Electronics Technician (Naval Rating)
    ETCEthiopian Tourism Commission
    ETCElectronic Trading Community
    ETCEsophageal Tracheal Combitube
    ETCElectro-Thermal Chemical
    ETCEchostar Technologies Corporation
    ETCEducational Technologies Center
    ETCEuropean Training Course
    ETCElectro Thermal Chemical
    ETCElectronic Ticket Capture
    ETCExportable Training Capability (US DoD)
    ETCEuropean Tea Committee (Germany)
    ETCEmbedded Training Capability
    ETCEastbourne Technology College (UK)
    ETCEstimated Time of Commencement
    ETCEcho Tracker Classifier
    ETCEuropean Technology Consultants (contact centre, website, mobile and DTV design and implementation)
    ETCEvangelizadores de Tiempo Completo (Spanish)
    ETCEducation Television Channel
    ETCEntertainment That Counts (TV show)
    ETCEuropean Training and Research Center for Human Rights and Democracy (Graz, Austria)
    ETCEvergreen Tandem Club (Seattle, WA bicycle club)
    ETCEligible Telecom Carrier (Western Digital)
    ETCEnterprise Team Collaboration (software)
    ETCEnergy Training Complex
    ETCEarth Terminal Complex
    ETCExchange Terminal Circuit (Sprint)
    ETCEnhanced Throughput Cellular protocol (Paradyne)
    ETCEfficient Transport Chains (shipping)
    ETCEuropean Theater Convention
    ETCECHO Technical Committee
    ETCEuropean Transportation Carrier (European Space Agency)
    ETCElectronics Test Center (Canada)
    ETCEast Theater Company (East High School; Denver, CO)
    ETCEasy Trucking Company
    ETCEfficient Transportation for the Community (Florida)
    ETCEngineering Technical Code
    ETCEnhanced Terminal Capability
    ETCEngineering Topographic Command
    ETCExportable Training Center
    ETCEvaporator Thermostat Circuit
    ETCExtended Tree Collapsing
    ETCE-Training Center (various organizations)
    ETCEnsemble Theatre of Cincinnati (Cincinnati, OH)
    ETCEducation and Training Committee (various organizations)
    ETCEngineering Technology Company
    ETCEndogenous Technological Change
    ETCEducational Technology Conference (various locations)
    ETCEducation, Travel & Culture (Portland, OR)
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #4 on: September 10, 2018, 12:15:56 PM »
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  • I think it's a fundamental problem: identifying with a given group in the past, but not being willing/able to create a single replacement group.

    Then there's this problem -- adding yet another adjective makes us sound like Protestants (but let's face it: we have the same problem as the Prots since our one principle of unity has been destroyed -- the Pope)

    Read this famous joke:

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    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump. I ran over and said: "Stop. Don't do it."
    "Why shouldn't I?" he asked.
    "Well, there's so much to live for!"
    "Like what?"
    "Are you religious?"
    He said: "Yes."
    I said: "Me too. Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
    "Christian."
    "Me too. Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
    "Protestant."
    "Me too. Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
    "Baptist."
    "Wow. Me too. Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
    "Baptist Church of God."
    "Me too. Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
    "Reformed Baptist Church of God."
    "Me too. Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?"
    He said: "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915."
    I said: "Die, heretic scuм," and pushed him off.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 12:19:57 PM »
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  • I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump. I ran over and said: "Stop. Don't do it."
    "Why shouldn't I?" he asked.
    "Well, there's so much to live for!"
    "Like what?"
    "Are you religious?"
    He said: "Yes."
    I said: "Me too. Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
    "Christian."
    "Me too. Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
    "Catholic."
    "Me too. Are you Traditional or Novus Ordo?"
    "Traditional."
    "Wow. Me too. Are you Sedevacantist or Recognize-and-Resist?"
    "Recognize-and-Resist."
    "Me too. Are you SSPX, or SSPX Resistance?"
    "SSPX Resistance."
    "Me too. Are you mainstream SSPX Resistance under the 4 bishops, or SSPX Resistance, Pfeifferite?"
    He said: "SSPX Resistance, Pfeifferite."
    I said: "Die, heretic scuм," and pushed him off.
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 12:34:59 PM »
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  • NCC - Non Compromising Catholics
    TSSPX - Traditional SSPX
    NHC -  Non ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Catholic
    JSTC - Jєω Smashing Traditional Catholic

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 12:55:33 PM »
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  • Traditional SSPX (TSSPX) might work.  Is SSPX a trademark? Would using TSSPX  generate a lawsuit?

    And then consider this. Christ founded the Church.

    SSPX honors St. Pius X.

    SSPV honors St. Pius V.

    We cannot say Original Traditional Latin Mass Catholics (OTLMC) because the original Latin Mass was codified by St. Gregory the Great centuries ago. This original Latin Gregorian Mass has not been said in ages because changes were made in the 800s and in the following years until St. Pius V felt it necessary to standardize the Gregorian Latin Mass once again.  Even the original mass of St. Pius V has not been said in ages due to all the changes to it, even though minor, so we have the Mass of 1954 and the Mass of 1962, etc.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #8 on: September 10, 2018, 01:46:42 PM »
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  • I still say that we stick with "traditional catholic".  Those who attend the indult are NOT traditional, which is easy to explain.

    Also, once the sspx "makes a deal" with rome, they'll change their name when they merge with the fssp, so the 'resistance' can go back to the SSPX, since they still follow +Lefevbre.

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2018, 02:51:57 PM »
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  • TCFK  Traditional Catholic Faith Keepers   Googled it and the acronym is not in use.  A bit complicated but free and clear. 

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 08:37:26 AM »
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  • Look at how frog-boiled and out of touch the neo-SSPX and anti-Resistance crowd is. They have been attending the neo-SSPX and drinking the Kool-aid for too long.

    They are starting to forget that there's a Crisis in the Church! Which doesn't surprise me, since that's precisely what the neo-SSPX is all about: emphasizing the good in Vatican II, saying it's not so bad, inviting conciliar bishops and priests to their chapels and seminaries, and in general having as much truck with the Conciliar Church as possible.

    Of course they're going to be taken aback when I casually mention the Pope being disabled, or "no longer there as a principle of unity".

    He immediately jumps to Sedevacantism, and all that flows from that conclusion (things that I've said myself about sedevacantism, namely: when are we going to have another Pope, will we ever have another one, how will we know he is a true Pope, etc.)
    He then spins off into left field, talking about the Church defecting, abandoning the Church, suggesting we're no longer Catholic, etc.

    All because we don't consider Pope Francis a principle of unity for Catholics, or anything resembling a Pope we can follow or get anywhere near. Pope Francis! Seriously, are we both talking about the same man?

    It just shows you how out-of-touch and brainwashed those attending the neo-SSPX chapels have become. The neo-SSPX propaganda kool-aid has finally made it to their brains, making swiss cheese out of their former Traditional Catholic common sense.

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    Matthew,

    How about Traditional Catholic Resistance?  I don't think that would be readily construed as anti-Trumpian or anything else misleading.

    But I have other more important fish to fry, as follows:.

    I.    You say:  

    "We have the same problem as the Prots since our one principle of unity has been destroyed -- the Pope."

    I don't see how this can be read as meaning anything but that now there is no pope.  Is that what you mean to say?  

           If it is, can you explain how this can be Catholic?  What pops into my head is the following slogan:  TRADITIONAL EX-CATHOLIC RESISTANCE: ABANDONING THE CHURCH TO SAVE IT.

           If you deny that it means that there is no pope, what does it mean?.  Will there never be another pope? Might there be another pope? Will there definitely be another  pope? And what are the implications of your yes         answer going forward?

    II.    Has the Church defected?  If not, why not? If so, why so, and where does the Traditional Ex-Catholic Resistance go from here?

    III.    If you're no longer Catholic, you're welcome to my slogan, including use of the name separate from the slogan.  

    In caritate,
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #11 on: September 12, 2018, 12:25:53 PM »
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  • CMTF - Catholics Maintaining the True Faith
    CT- Catholic Traditionalist
    AMC- Anti-Modernist Catholics
    AC - Authentic Catholics
    CRMC - Catholics Resisting Modernism and Compromisers


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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #12 on: September 12, 2018, 01:10:00 PM »
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  • Ur-SSPX (original SSPX)

    or

    TSSPX (Traditional SSPX) -- Traditional Catholics hold onto what's Traditional in Catholicism, Traditional SSPX hold onto what's Traditional in the SSPX

    vs. the neo-SSPX

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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #13 on: September 12, 2018, 01:11:54 PM »
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  • Ok, I guess I need to add a bit.

    We almost have to branch off "Traditional Catholic" or "SSPX" in some way, because otherwise uninformed third-parties will assume we're a schismatic group. 
    Like "Mary's little remnant" or "Old Catholics".

    Whenever I see people calling their blog, website, or screen name "True Catholic" I cringe, for example, because invariably they are dogmatic sedevacantist or dogmatic home aloner or something -- usually quite schismatic (they think there only 10 Catholics, or less, left in the world)

    Because branching off "Catholic" rather than "Traditional Catholic" implies that you reject Traditional Catholic for some reason. 

    xSPX would almost make sense, but that is precisely what the SSPX was called by some on CathInfo over the years.

    Incidentally, several in the Resistance have already solved this problem by creating a new group, however small. For example, Fr. Chazal can talk about his "MCSPX" seminary, priests, and affiliated chapels. Likewise, Bp. Faure can talk about his "SAJM" seminary, priests, and affiliated chapels.

    It's only those who aren't a member of these groups that need a name. But personally, I look for a more general term because CathInfo isn't SAJM-specific or MCSPX-specific: it supports BOTH equally.
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    Re: Time for a new name? Resistance implies anti-Trump now
    « Reply #14 on: September 12, 2018, 01:13:28 PM »
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  • Ur-SSPX (original SSPX)

    or

    TSSPX (Traditional SSPX) -- Traditional Catholics hold onto what's Traditional in Catholicism, Traditional SSPX hold onto what's Traditional in the SSPX

    vs. the neo-SSPX

    The only issue then is using the sub-phrase "SSPX" in our name. That might be legally copyrighted.
    Fr. Chazal sidesteps this by calling it Marian Corps of St. Pius X, or MCSPX.  Nobody can "own" a saint's name or initials.
    But the SOCIETY of St. Pius X is a registered entity. 
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