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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:45:34 AM »
I've always wondered when "intention" as a condition for a valid sacrament became a thing. A muslim can baptise a child and the baptism is valid and a defrocked atheist priest can consecrate a host and perform a valid confession. 

The only things we can judge are matter, form and minister.


"cuм intentione faciendi quod facit Ecclesia"

Hundreds of years old.

My goodness the ignnorance of people acting as if google doesnt exist.


Back in the third or fourth century this was discussed. Good grief man.

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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #16 on: Today at 04:17:48 PM »
I've always wondered when "intention" as a condition for a valid sacrament became a thing. A muslim can baptise a child and the baptism is valid and a defrocked atheist priest can consecrate a host and perform a valid confession. 

The only things we can judge are matter, form and minister.

So, it's a minimal intention to do what the Church does.  That's why a Muslim can baptize validly, since if he just thinks "So, I'm going to do this thing Catholics do."  Obviously they don't believe in it and they don't intend what the Church intends by the Sacrament, but he's intending to DO it, perform the ritual.  That's all that's necessary.  This is distinct, for instance, from someone who's mocking the Sacrament or goofing around, or children playing (say playing priest), or an actor performing a baptism in a play or a movie.  In those latter case they intend to mimic or portray the Catholic action, but not actually DO it.


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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #17 on: Today at 04:18:43 PM »
"Thucists" making CI into a sewer, eh, Cabbage ?

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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #18 on: Today at 05:44:20 PM »
So, it's a minimal intention to do what the Church does.  That's why a Muslim can baptize validly, since if he just thinks "So, I'm going to do this thing Catholics do."  Obviously they don't believe in it and they don't intend what the Church intends by the Sacrament, but he's intending to DO it, perform the ritual.  That's all that's necessary.  This is distinct, for instance, from someone who's mocking the Sacrament or goofing around, or children playing (say playing priest), or an actor performing a baptism in a play or a movie.  In those latter case they intend to mimic or portray the Catholic action, but not actually DO it.
Isn't there a famous Catholic story where an actor is baptized in a play and refuses to deny Christ before and Emperor as a result and is put to death? They wanted to mock Christians yet he was given miraculous graces.

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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #19 on: Today at 06:30:47 PM »
Yes you did.  I guess only some members are allowed to express their opinion no matter how unCatholic but when called on it...I get removed.

I don't like CathInfo being called "not Catholic".

Show me a moderator of a forum with more than 200 members who tolerates such abuse, and I'll reconsider.

Yes, it's against the rules to attack the moderator OR the forum as a whole. That is the rule on ALL forums/groups that I'm aware of.
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Again, if you can find me a single exception, I'm open to discussion.