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Offline SanskritCrayon

Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #10 on: Today at 01:19:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on Today at 01:17:10 PM
AND, this is difficult for me to say, because I had for many years been close friends with Bishop Webster, and thought very highly of him, and, while I didn't now him, I thought very well of Bishop Slupski also.  I knew Joe Pfeiffer as a semimarian and like him a great deal ... not sure what happened later (besides Pablo), and I also knew and very much liked Father Paul Petko.  I grieve for the men being ordained by +?Pfeiffer, and wish they were valid without the positive doubt.  Though I don't care for some of their attitudes, I would wish doubtful or invalid Sacraments on no one who professes the Catholic faith and who are trying to save their souls.

It's WITH ALL THAT SAID that I have no choice but to consider the consecration of Father Pfeiffer to be doubtful at best ... and certainly invalid if the only attempt was the one made in the video.  I do hope that it was rectified later, as +?Pfeiffer claims, but he was his worst enemy in that regard.  Why?  Because +?Pfeiffer insists that the first attempt was valid and labored under no doubt.  Consequently, he just shot his own credibility as being able to attest to the validity of the second attempt .. since if he claims that first one was valid, his criteria for assessing validity are highly suspect at best.

So, no, Cabbage ... there's no bias or ulterior motive or agenda in asserting that the +Thuc consecrations of +des Lauriers, +Carmona, and +Zamora were in fact valid.  If they had actually labored under positive doubt, I would absolutely be honest enough to admit it.  There's no way I would defend Sacraments that are of doubtful validity and thereby be complicit in their having received possibly-invalid Sacraments.  I could never live with that.  That's because I have a conscience, and I care about truth.  But, TomGubbinsKimmage, it's extremely clear to everyone that you do NOT care about the truth, are not objectively and honestly and in good faith seeking the truth.  I am happy to entertain sincere concerns or questions made in good faith.  But your nonsense I reject out of hand.
I also found this, to make things worse:


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Online Incredulous

Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #11 on: Today at 01:23:33 PM »
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Fr. Hoopes..get off the Internet and.avoid returning to the coven, but rather get ye to a monastery jail cell..

Where you can live on bread and water, prayer and Penances begging for God's mercy until He takes you from this world.

The sooner the better.
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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:26:39 PM »
Quote from: SanskritCrayon on Today at 01:19:10 PM
I also found this, to make things worse:

I don't make much of the "withheld intention" nonsense.  +Webster intended to DO what the Church does, and ... had he not messed up the essential form, it would have been valid, unless, what? ... were the Pfeifferites literally holding a gun to his head?  I'd like to see this alleged interview.  It wouldn't be the first time some moron misinterpreted something that someone said, either due to lack of theological knowledge or simple comprehension of the English language.

But we don't even need to go there, since we have the video where it was clearly invalid, and the claims that +?Pfeiffer made that he had re-done it later, given lack of a followup video, and given +?Pfeiffer's lack of credibility from having argued for the certain validity of the first attempt ... we cannot regard the +?Pfeiffer line as valid, and so the intention argument is moot.
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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Thucists making cathinfo a sewer
« Reply #13 on: Today at 01:37:37 PM »
Quote from: SanskritCrayon on Today at 01:19:10 PM
I also found this, to make things worse:

Plus, an anonymous post about an alleged interview that can mysteriously no longer be found (not even using the internet archive services) ... is nothing be hearsay and can't be used to establish anything.  People can easily fan the flames of FUD by saying anything they feel like.

Cabbage could just go on somewhere and post any unverified comments ... "I was friends with +Thuc and he personally told me that he had withheld his intention."
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